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Scottish Independence Poll

By acooling08, in General Chat

Do you want Scotland to leave the UK?  

313 members have voted

  1. 1. Do you want Scotland to leave the UK?

    • Yes - I want Scotland to leave the UK.
      82
    • No - I want Scotland to stay in the UK.
      137
    • I don't know.
      12
    • I don't care.
      82

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Guest MattP

Guest MattP

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How so? Is there a correlation between wanting independence and economic view amongst the cogniscenti and those others not particularly well-versed? If anything, I'd think the view of the right is to expect socialists to want to remain in the Union for the free lunch that's supposedly being supplied to them by Westminster and due to the left wing not generally being too keen on the whole 'UK splitting up' thing.

There does seem to be a correlation between high unemployment and Yes voting areas though, which makes sense. Change sounds good when you're out of work.

The 55-45 prediction by many on here beforehand looking pretty spot on.

I think it's more a case of the people at the bottom had nothing to lose. The majority of people voting yes didn't seem to be the ones who would have to pay for it.

Time for Cameron to step up now. I don't want to see his promises honoured, I want to see him completely start on a solution to remove the Barnet formula and give Scotland what it creates and not what it thinks it deserves.

The Westminster trio must be breathing a huge sigh of relief today.

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leicsmac

leicsmac

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Shame, but hey ho. Anyone think Gordon brown is going to return to front line politics? God I hope not.

 

Can't see it happening, Labour know he's probably the one person the right hates enough to unite them next year rather than there being a Tory/UKIP split.

 

And as an aside, I'm glad to see the nationalistic bluster (from both north and south of the border) end up on the losing side this time around.

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Guest MattP

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Shame, but hey ho. Anyone think Gordon brown is going to return to front line politics? God I hope not.

No chance, he's as toxic in England as the Tories are in Scotland.

He could barely get 30% of the vote when he had about 25% of the state on his direct payroll lol

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leicsmac

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I think it's more a case of the people at the bottom had nothing to lose. The majority of people voting yes didn't seem to be the ones who would have to pay for it.

Time for Cameron to step up now. I don't want to see his promises honoured, I want to see him completely start on a solution to remove the Barnet formula and give Scotland what it creates and not what it thinks it deserves.

The Westminster trio must be breathing a huge sigh of relief today.

 

Yup, hard economics triumphs over emotional nationalism yet again.

 

I do think there is going to be some serious thought regarding restructuring of funding and government for Scotland in the aftermath of this. It'll be interesting to see how it all turns out.

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Kopfkino

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So with Yes areas seeing lower turnouts, could it be that the poor and disadvantaged, who seemed fully behind the Yes campaign, couldn't be bothered to get off their backsides and vote. The silent No was defintely there in the wealthier, maybe rural communities.

Aberdeenshire being so strongly No is interesting as is places like East Ayrshire and Inverclyde not voting Yes, when these are some of the worst off areas in the UK.

It certainly isnt a vote for No change. Even if the scots don't get the range of powers they want, its changed Uk politics and it may lead to a federal UK

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Facecloth

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No chance, he's as toxic in England as the Tories are in Scotland.

He could barely get 30% of the vote when he had about 25% of the state on his direct payroll lol

Give the man his due though, his speech on Wednesday was excellent.

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Sir Fynwy

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Cameron reiterates promises to give powers to Scotland. Plenty of emphasis on doing the same for England. Maybe reading a bit too much into it but he also talked briefly about "empowering our great cities," was he suggesting we have a mayor of Manchester, Birmingham, Leeds and the like?

Really looking forward to the extra levels of government being added all over the place, I thought we were supposed to be cutting the fat.

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Finnegan

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The constitutional questions will now probably be the battleground of the next election. Cameron can't sell the English down the river over this.

It was a really stupid move to be honest, promising increased "powers." A panic. I'm not convinced it was necessary but now they have to either alienate the English vote by following through or throwing away the Scots vote by not.

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Webbo

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It was a really stupid move to be honest, promising increased "powers." A panic. I'm not convinced it was necessary but now they have to either alienate the English vote by following through or throwing away the Scots vote by not.

I agree 100%

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Jon the Hat

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I think they will finally solve the West Lothian question, and the plan is to make the Barnett formula go away by allowing the Scots to raise and spend their own taxes.

 

My favourtie quote of the morning from a Lady north of Inverness on 5live, "child poverty is at an all time high in Scotland"  yes.. while your government spends the money on free tuition and prescriptions for those who can in fact afford to feed and clothe their kids properly.  Go SNP!!!


Although it was a large percentage that voted no than some expected, I think the fact that almost 45% of a huge turnout voted yes says an awful lot about the lack of Westminster. No surprise to see Edinburgh voting no and Glasgow voting yes.

 

I think 20% of the voters are ignorant ***** who just hate the English, and those who move to England.

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The Blur

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A Scottish friend of mine are sharing videos of a teller moving a No vote to Yes pile. There was two videos of two separate occurrences and a photo of No vote sitting in Yes pile. I would have share it on here if I know how to pinch it from Facebook.

 

 

Not sure if it is a conspiracy or a genuine error or a paranoid Yes voter moved votes to suggest a conspiracy. 

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Leicesterpool

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Well I think No did better than expected they kept saying it was going to be s narrow victory for them but to be fair winning it by a 10% margin isn't exactly a narrow victory. However I don't Cameron can take any positive things out of this, yes we're still together but for this referendum never should have took place and they have gave too much voice to the SNP. At the end of the day SNP weren't set to lose much as I mentioned before it was a win, win situation for them, they've somehow managed to blackmail the government. Of course now probably Salmon may try and turn to blame on the BBC and make out they've been biased about their campaign. Though to be honest i think BBC have gave the SNP too much coverage, so I don't know where this biasedness as came from? 

 

Also won't be surprised if now Salmon will claim the vote was a fix and probably demand another referendum, he'd probably claiming it its fix until SNP have won.   

 

Also thank god its over we're not going to hear anymore about this referendum, it's drove everyone bonkers for the last two years.  

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