Scottish Independence Poll

[PAPA LAZAROU]

When it gets like that, it's rather sad. Admit defeat, and if they really feel strongly enough about it, step back, regroup, formulate a new plan, and work on it. Get it water tight and come back again. All this moaning and all these consipiracy theories will only end up doing more harm than good.

 

 

By the time they have regrouped and formulated a new plan we will have used up all their oil. Job done.

[DANGEROUS TIGER]

Scottish Nationalists! Just another bunch of extremists, who can't accept a democratic decision.

 

A very sad bunch of characters!

[Rincewind]

[Vacamion]

So...Here we are again. 

 

This one feels different.

 

Those who seek independence only need a 3% swing from last time.  

 

For all the economic arguments, the Brexit vote showed us that you can wrap a campaign in a flag and people will only concentrate on the flag, however much it might end up hurting people in their pocket. You can even lie about stuff and put it on the side of a bus. 

 

There is absolutely no chance of a united "better together" campaign like there was last time.  With Labour in disarray, Scotland faces the prospect of a Tory government it didn't vote for until the mid 2020s.  Likewise, it looks like Scotland will get a hard brexit driven by right wing Tories, which, again, Nationalists will point out that Scotland did not vote for.

 

There will be no "love bombing" this time (à la Bowie and Barrowman   last time) from south of the border.  Indeed, the vibe I get from most right wing English is that they would quite like Scotland to get stuffed.  I think there will be some pretty harsh words from England which will only help the independence movement.

 

The BBC, stung by the demonstrations last time, will try to tread a path that doesn't see it labelled the State Broadcaster, again to the benefit of the independence movement.

 

Nicola Sturgeon is a better politician and a better speaker than Salmond was.  People up here (including me) who wouldn't vote for her party respect her.

 

As an English immigrant up here, who voted No last time, it saddens me to contemplate the break up of the UK and becoming a foreigner in the country I have made my home.  I dread the prospect of another two years of anything like the acrimony of last time, when families and friendships were damaged.  I still know who, at my place of work, was a yesser and I bet they all know who was a No voter.  I have friends I now speak with less often, because I was a "Yoon" and they a "Nat".

 

However, I think a lot of the energy with which people would have defended the Union has disappeared.  Yessers were always more vehement, more in your face and, after Brexit, unionists have fewer bullets.

 

A lot of people who voted No last time have told me that they'll vote Yes this time.  It's a case of "we are poorer either way. We are probably poorer because of Brexit, so screw it, we might as well be poorer because of Independence".

 

I honestly don't know how I'll vote this time.  I'll try and look at the arguments and the evidence and make my mind up at the time.

 

To my chagrin, I anticipate that Scotland will go it alone this time and there will be no going back.

 

What do you guys think?

 

Do you even give a monkeys?

 

Would you be happy to be a citizen of Wangland (Wales and England)?

[Buce]

 

I think it would be a damn shame but I wouldn't blame them at all.

 

I wish I could rid myself of this government so easily.

[Webbo]

I doubt it'll happen but if it does, so be it. I voted Brexit for self determination, I can't deny the Scots the chance for the same, if that's what they want.

[Charl91]

Think they'll get their independence. Can't really blame them.

 

I would have preferred they stayed, but since Brexit I can't exactly blame them for wanting to leave.

[Sharpe's Fox]

Sturgeon is awful and less than half the politician Salmond is. SNP think they are a bastion of progressive values when they're basically tartan Tories, neoliberal economics wrapped in nationalist flag waving basically the worst of the worst. If you want social justice and real wealth distribution you've got to vote for it and the SNP ain't that.

[Jattdogg]

They are leaving this time around.

 

Now its time for canada to leave the monarchy behind and stop paying them for absolutely  nothing 

[Strokes]

Meh

[purpleronnie]

I dreaded the scot's leaving the union in the first referendum.

 

But now with our governments hair brained extreme brexit I wouldn't blame them one bit for voting for independence.

[SMX11]

Does Ms Sturgeon understand that if Scotland does become an 'independent' country that it will be out of the EU anyway. Therefore she would have to apply and likely be asked to adopt the Euro.

 

Makes no sense to me but if the Scots want these Nationalist Socialists steering their affairs then let them and see their standard of living depreciate further.

[Rincewind]

From what I have heard from Scottish friends Scotland services are run better than down here.

[lgfualol]

Deffo off. Like another poster said, I do not blame them. 

[Innovindil]

They deserve the right to a referendum just like we had, with brexit the circumstances around it have changed. 

 

Seems very odd to me that Nicola would want it before negotiations with the eu were finished though, surely it's a win/win, if we get a "good" deal then Scotland would be fine, if we get a "bad" deal then she could use that to fuel the independence fires. 

 

Good luck to them if they leave tbh. The same as us not wanting a weakened or broken eu applies to Scotland. It's not good for anyone. 

[Finnegan]

I'm a bit confused by the legality.

 

The last referendum was instigated by Westminster, yes, the government agreed Scotland could have their vote?

 

This time the Scots are organising it themselves? What happens if they vote yes and London says **** off? Other than, you know, mass public outrage?

[Innovindil]

5 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

I'm a bit confused by the legality.

 

The last referendum was instigated by Westminster, yes, the government agreed Scotland could have their vote?

 

This time the Scots are organising it themselves? What happens if they vote yes and London says **** off? Other than, you know, mass public outrage?

They will not vote until Westminster pass that doodar (article 30 or something like it?). All they are doing now is having a vote in holyrood so they can ask Westminster to give them permission. 

 

Westminster won't block it, it would just fuel the nationalists. 

[tom27111]

Sturgeon saved her Championship Manager game before every match, then re-loaded it until she got the result she wanted.

[Realist Guy In The Room]

Sturgeon wants the referendum now as dhe doesn't trust May with the negotiations and who can blame her?!

 

I think this is more about the terms of brexit (or reversing brexit) than it is independence.

 

Wouldnt suprise me if we end up with a referendum with the choice of continue with brexit and say goodbye to Scotland or reverse brexit and keep Scotland as part of the union.

[SpacedX]

Sturgeon has demurred for fear of losing and standing down. Now the disenchantment with Brexit north of the Border is tangible. This referendum is as much about remaining in Europe as it is leaving the UK. The irony. My immediate thought when I learnt about this was that Article 50 will now become a much more difficult negotiation given this uncertainty. A "hard Brexit" looms.

[Bunyip]

9 hours ago, Rincewind said:

From what I have heard from Scottish friends Scotland services are run better than down here.

Yes because we ( the rest of the uk ) are funding it.

[Bunyip]

If they do get a vote and vote to leave can the SNP accept that two years after there will have to be another vote whether to rejoin the union or not ? Or will this be the only vote that counts not like last time ?

[yorkie1999]

Scotland isn't part of the EU, the UK is, which means they will have to apply to become a member and with a -10% gdp, i think they may want to wait until the price of oil goes back up.

[notnow john]

36 minutes ago, Realist Guy In The Room said:

Sturgeon wants the referendum now as dhe doesn't trust May with the negotiations and who can blame her?!

 

I think this is more about the terms of brexit (or reversing brexit) than it is independence.

 

Wouldnt suprise me if we end up with a referendum with the choice of continue with brexit and say goodbye to Scotland or reverse brexit and keep Scotland as part of the union.

 I know, let's have a referendum to see if we want a referendum!

[Parafox]

Sturgeons need for another referendum is all about Sturgeon, not Scotland. She desperately wants autonomy and power. Unfortunately for her, most Scots realise that without English Gov subsidising Scotland, particularly now with the fall in oil revenues, Independence would be unsustainable.