Form is temporary...

[Heart-Shaped Fox]

I genuinely think if Waggy gets one he might just get another and find form, just needs that first goal.

[fleckneymike]

With the best will in the world even the most ardent Waghorn fan would agree that in the two years he's been with us permanently he hasn't been value for money, before taking into account any wages he's set us back a minimum of £2m (the fee could rise to £3m).

He has a contract which runs until next summer, we can risk keeping him until June in the hope he gains some form or try and get some money back for him in Jan.

[OzFox]

Just to let you know, 2 fouls were given against Waghorn last night, out of 15 given against us in total in what was not a dirty match.

Drinkwater leads the way with 3 fouls, Waggy, Nugent, Konch, Knocky, all gave away 2, and yet it is only Waghorn who gets criticised...

Incidentally he won us 3 free kicks, 2 of them were for shielding the ball well and forcing the defender into taking him out.

Do you defend all our ordinary players with such conviction? On this form you could have made a case for Akinbiyi.

[marbelladave]

5 Goals at this stage of the season isn't a bad return. Not amazing but certainly acceptable.

Not suggesting it isn't, but that our midfield, as a group, are scoring more.

Hence we can play another man in midfield to take some of the load off Drinkwater and King without compromising our goal scoring potential.

The pair were running on empty after about 60 - 70 minutes, we really do ask an awful lot of them and Knockaert wants to get more involved, so why not?

[Babylon]

You are put on to try and make an impact from the subs bench, he hasn't.

He should of scored twice after coming off the subs bench, he didn't.

He has been rubbish ever since we signed him permanetly, and so far it's been a waste of money, Mills was rubbish, Beckford was rubbish they didn't perform to their price tag then get sold or loaned out, for me Waghorn hasn't proved his worth of £2/£3 million either, so why is he so different to Mills and Beckford.

For me none of them have lived up to their potential, and those three weren't or aren't good enough for Leicester City football club.

Why is he so different?

A) he's been out injured for most of last season. B) the manager who actually had faith in him, actually played him in his correct position and managed to get the best from him only returned to the club last year, and has only had him fit since the very end of last season.

C) from Pearsons comments of late you have to wonder about their commitment to the club.

D) Beckford started 35 games and had 8 as sub. Mills started 25 and had one as sub. They both had runs in the team in their correct position. Something Waghorn has not had since Pearson left.

That's why it's different, and that's why he should be given a bit more time. Pearson is no fool, if Waghorn stays involved but doesn't start to contribute more he will get replaced. But these chances people go on about were so fragmented with injuries, games out wide, late sub appearances that there are enough question marks still there for me and clearly for Pearson, before I decide he's for the bin.

[Captain...]

Do you defend all our ordinary players with such conviction? On this form you could have made a case for Akinbiyi.

I do, I will defend all our players when they are being unfairly crticised and abused on here.

[KingPowerLCFC1884]

Do you know what fickle means? He's not played well for 2 1/2 years. I'll still support him 100% but he's just not good enough at the moment.

hes not just on about waggy, few moths a go half of foxes talk were slating Pearson, now look

I do, I will defend all our players when they are being unfairly crticised and abused on here.

top man

[UpTheLeagueFox]

He's obviously got a bit of ability but I don't think he's done enough this season in his limited opportunities, despite the team overall doing well. I hope he doesn't start on Saturday - I prefer Vardy with Nugent. In fact I think Nugent looks a bit lost without Vardy if the last two games are anything to go by.

I was frustrated watching him on Saturday and last night. Not gonna lay into him but I don't see any problem with people raising valid and respectful concerns.

[Happy Fox]

I

He's obviously got a bit of ability but I don't think he's done enough this season in his limited opportunities, despite the team overall doing well. I hope he doesn't start on Saturday - I prefer Vardy with Nugent. In fact I think Nugent looks a bit lost without Vardy if the last two games are anything to go by.

I was frustrated watching him on Saturday and last night. Not gonna lay into him but I don't see any problem with people raising valid and respectful concerns.

He has always been like that, I think a loan spell away would do him the world of good if we could bring in a striker on loan that would be good because we haven't really replaced Beckford well I guess Vardy was his replacement but at this level you need 3 competent forwards we have 2 we need another one.

[OzFox]

I do, I will defend all our players when they are being unfairly crticised and abused on here.

Must be a full time job.This forum would collapse overnight if bitching and moaning wasn't allowed.

Not sure what you mean by "abuse" but I criticise him because he's been guilty of a series of glaring misses over the years. On the plus side, he does sometimes strike the ball beautifully and can whip in some decent crosses. As others have pointed out, he should probably go out on loan and get his confidence/composure back, because it's just not happening for us.

[davelcfc100]

People forget this saying works both ways, he could of been on good form and really has no class

[volpeazzurro]

Why is he so different?

A) he's been out injured for most of last season. B) the manager who actually had faith in him, actually played him in his correct position and managed to get the best from him only returned to the club last year, and has only had him fit since the very end of last season.

C) from Pearsons comments of late you have to wonder about their commitment to the club.

D) Beckford started 35 games and had 8 as sub. Mills started 25 and had one as sub. They both had runs in the team in their correct position. Something Waghorn has not had since Pearson left.

That's why it's different, and that's why he should be given a bit more time. Pearson is no fool, if Waghorn stays involved but doesn't start to contribute more he will get replaced. But these chances people go on about were so fragmented with injuries, games out wide, late sub appearances that there are enough question marks still there for me and clearly for Pearson, before I decide he's for the bin.

I agree with all of this, Pearson see's him in training, knows him well enough to want him at Hull and keep him involved here. Some strikers are all about confidence and coupled with injuries and being played out of position by others for the odd ten minutes here and there, when he would have felt absolutely pressured to perform, the resulting performances are not too surprising. For the first time in a long while (imo) there does seem to be a bit more of a feeling of togetherness on the pitch, inspired I might add by Pearson in a relatively short space of time. I do despair sometimes when some people can't seem to wait for a player to have a bad game so they can slag him off. They are human after all and if I was a player and read some of these pages, at times you'd think the posters were all Forest fans in disguise. I think we all sense when someone isn't trying or doesn't really want to be at Leicester, but in the case of Waghorn, he always appears to give of his best, is well supported by Pearson (not without reason I would suspect), so perhaps a big dose of encouragement might help a little more helpful to the lad until Pearson decides otherwise.

[Captain...]

People forget this saying works both ways, he could of been on good form and really has no class

Which do you think is the best way to judge Waghorn?

A whole season playing regularly in a solid if unspectacular side

or

2 seasons of being in and out the side, disrupted by numerous changes, that never really performed or was settled, during which time he went on loan and suffered a serious injury.

[ealingfox]

Think he really needs to go out on loan, considering the situation. We can't afford to give him a place in the XI every week in an attempt to play him back into form which may or may not pay off. Any teams near the bottom of the league who need a striker? Failing that, the top dogs in League 1 might be interested.

[Charl91]

I like the fact that he does work hard. However his method of shooting just seems to be 'hit the ball as hard as possible and hope for the best'. I don't expect him to create lots of chances, but he needs to start putting away those handed to him on a plate soon.

[davelcfc100]

Which do you think is the best way to judge Waghorn?

I wasn't directly aiming that at waghorn just that the saying isnt always used correctly

A whole season playing regularly in a solid if unspectacular side

or

2 seasons of being in and out the side, disrupted by numerous changes, that never really performed or was settled, during which time he went on loan and suffered a serious injury.

[Number 6]

'Class' is just a prolongued period of form.

[fleckneymike]

'Class' is just a prolongued period of form.

That's unfortunate because his 'form' has been a prolonged period of shite.

He has 6 months remaining on a contract Derby couldn't afford. As I and others have said, our best chance of getting him to regain some confidence is to loan him out to a lower league side and then make a judgement on his long term future.

[Corky]

I like the fact that he does work hard. However his method of shooting just seems to be 'hit the ball as hard as possible and hope for the best'. I don't expect him to create lots of chances, but he needs to start putting away those handed to him on a plate soon.

Agreed.

He should look at King's finishing technique to see how it could be improved.

[Haydos]

Which do you think is the best way to judge Waghorn?

A whole season playing regularly in a solid if unspectacular side

or

2 seasons of being in and out the side, disrupted by numerous changes, that never really performed or was settled, during which time he went on loan and suffered a serious injury.

Would you give him a whole season playing regularly? Regardless of whether he's scoring or not. It's Pearson's job and it's his arse on the line if he's playing Waggy and he's not scoring.

[Number 6]

That's unfortunate because his 'form' has been a prolonged period of shite.

He has 6 months remaining on a contract Derby couldn't afford. As I and others have said, our best chance of getting him to regain some confidence is to loan him out to a lower league side and then make a judgement on his long term future.

I'd argue that it's all 'form', good and bad. Players will have good and bad spells. Waggy is definitely in a rut at the moment. The Vardy illness gave him an opportunity to make a claim for a starting spot, but he hasn't taken it. This despite good team play and chances for him. I feel he may still have something to offer this club, but wouldn't mind him being loaned out for a bit. I'd be happy to have Futaks or Schlupp as substitute options.

[kingfox]

Why is he so different?

A) he's been out injured for most of last season. B) the manager who actually had faith in him, actually played him in his correct position and managed to get the best from him only returned to the club last year, and has only had him fit since the very end of last season.

C) from Pearsons comments of late you have to wonder about their commitment to the club.

D) Beckford started 35 games and had 8 as sub. Mills started 25 and had one as sub. They both had runs in the team in their correct position. Something Waghorn has not had since Pearson left.

That's why it's different, and that's why he should be given a bit more time. Pearson is no fool, if Waghorn stays involved but doesn't start to contribute more he will get replaced. But these chances people go on about were so fragmented with injuries, games out wide, late sub appearances that there are enough question marks still there for me and clearly for Pearson, before I decide he's for the bin.

Still doesn't overshadow the fact, when given the chance Waghorn hasn't performed.

Doesn't overshadow the fact, that he should of scored three already this season, and yes he should of scored all three chances because they were all fairly easy.

Basically he costed us against Wolves, sounded like he costed us at Birmingham as well.

He has been poor in every game he has featured in so far this season, and this season is all that matters not 2009/2010, 2011/2012, when he scored goals and got injured etc...

This season he has started off incredibly poor yet again, im really frustrated to see someone off form and who hasn't offered anything in a long time in Waghorn, getting a look in over Schlupp who is just as talented, or Futacs who hasn't even got a look in, yet scored on his debut.

[ashfosse]

Christ you can tell beckford has left.

I think the best thing for waggy is a loan spell. Hes had is chance and if vardy isnt fit then schlupp or futacs should get a look. But dont get me wrong i do think waggy has a future with us.

[5waller5]

Nope, I'll just say that he wasn't woeful last night, but certain people who don't know all that much about football, who have proven that time and time again with their opinions on managers and players, will judge him on one missed chance instead of his all round contribution.

Do you actually go to any games?? Or do you listen and repeat ..... Because if you went to the game and thought Waghorn made a contribution then you need to turn around and face the pitch.

He had one chance and missed it. He chased balls he stood absolutely no chance of getting near to and hid on the right wing everytime we had the ball in midfield looking to release a striker. He made no runs across the back four to receive the ball in those situations.

And for the record I don't criticise "everything LCFC" .... I criticise things not good enough for LCFC .... right now that's Waghorn.

[Mark_w]

Do you actually go to any games?? Or do you listen and repeat ..... Because if you went to the game and thought Waghorn made a contribution then you need to turn around and face the pitch.

He had one chance and missed it. He chased balls he stood absolutely no chance of getting near to and hid on the right wing everytime we had the ball in midfield looking to release a striker. He made no runs across the back four to receive the ball in those situations.

And for the record I don't criticise "everything LCFC" .... I criticise things not good enough for LCFC .... right now that's Waghorn.

Yes I go to the games and watch them. If you didn't judge him so blindly you'd see more than just the miss, he did put in a decent performance, controlled the ball well and whilst not being great he did contribute more than Nugent. I never said he was great or even that good, but to say he was woeful is ridiculous.

Given your position on our manager in the past I'd suggest that most people would likely suspect that if you go to the matches, you obviously don't have a great grasp of what's happening. Maybe not the best idea to question other people's judgement when you're prone to getting such things embarrassingly wrong.