Hack Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 Thats right it is. The problem is certain people on here think they are the only ones that have one that counts. Makes me laugh though when I put it at the start of the thread no one said a word. I hope if we get him it works out if we are spending 6mill on him. No it is not comparing fan opinions you goose ,it is substituting fan opinion over the management that you are being taken to task about. Then you invoke another fan opinion over management's. When fans claim not good enough, too expensive etc that then comes in for criticism, just like you criticizing management for speculated purchases and at speculated prices. We all want high profile players to come, but to criticize a purchase like Ulloa , is just ill informed.
Fox Ulike Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 Your Brighton mate is not the Albion chairman, by any chance? Ulloa is a good player that can still improve (a little), but at £6.5m, there's better talent elsewhere to be found. But where? A lot of fans seem to want “established Premiership playersâ€. That’s great, but why would any established Prem player want to join us? If he’s established, that means he’s a first-teamer and successful. That means that he’s well-liked by his manager and the fans, and so if his club have got any sense he’s on a long contract. He’s most likely settled in the area and happy with his life. Moving clubs is always a risk. Most players in that situation would only consider to move upwards to one of the big clubs, not sideways to Leicester City. Ricki Lambert going to Liverpool for example. This is the case with most ‘established’ premiership players. So why on Earth would any of them risk all that to join a newly-promoted side like us? One of the favourites for relegation. It’s just not going to happen. For this reason, it’s players like Ulloa who we need to focus our attention on - unless we want to take the big risk of shopping abroad.
Happy Fox Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 But where? A lot of fans seem to want “established Premiership playersâ€. That’s great, but why would any established Prem player want to join us? If he’s established, that means he’s a first-teamer and successful. That means that he’s well-liked by his manager and the fans, and so if his club have got any sense he’s on a long contract. He’s most likely settled in the area and happy with his life. Moving clubs is always a risk. Most players in that situation would only consider to move upwards to one of the big clubs, not sideways to Leicester City. Ricki Lambert going to Liverpool for example. This is the case with most ‘established’ premiership players. So why on Earth would any of them risk all that to join a newly-promoted side like us? One of the favourites for relegation. It’s just not going to happen. For this reason, it’s players like Ulloa who we need to focus our attention on - unless we want to take the big risk of shopping abroad. The risk will still remain regardless no guarantee players like Ulloa could step up. Abroad has been good for us in terms of Knockaert and Mahrez, I trust Steve Walsh and co to find the right players for us.
Fox Ulike Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 The risk will still remain regardless no guarantee players like Ulloa could step up. Abroad has been good for us in terms of Knockaert and Mahrez, I trust Steve Walsh and co to find the right players for us. I see that you have discovered the invisible part of my post where i said that "Ulloa is guaranteed to step up".
MC Prussian Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 But where? A lot of fans seem to want “established Premiership playersâ€. That’s great, but why would any established Prem player want to join us? If he’s established, that means he’s a first-teamer and successful. That means that he’s well-liked by his manager and the fans, and so if his club have got any sense he’s on a long contract. He’s most likely settled in the area and happy with his life. Moving clubs is always a risk. Most players in that situation would only consider to move upwards to one of the big clubs, not sideways to Leicester City. Ricki Lambert going to Liverpool for example. This is the case with most ‘established’ premiership players. So why on Earth would any of them risk all that to join a newly-promoted side like us? One of the favourites for relegation. It’s just not going to happen. For this reason, it’s players like Ulloa who we need to focus our attention on - unless we want to take the big risk of shopping abroad. Like previously stated, I'm not referring to the Premiership as our exclusive "shopping window". You'll find talented and suitable players all across the globe and here I am one of those who trusts the scouting team, as well as the current management to come up with a few more gems and thus the goods. Even taking on a player like Ulloa is a risk, any signing is. You may argue that he knows the Championship level by now, but the Premier League is an entirely different case altogether. So far, we've signed two new players with PL knowledge and I expect a few more names with top-flight experience (be it in England or abroad) to join them. Plus, there's about three reasons why a "higher-profile" or foreign player would want to join us: 1) The chance of profiting from a great development team and backroom staff, thus growing and nurturing ones talent (>increasing your market value) 2) The challenge of giving it your best shot on one of the biggest football stages in the world (trying to play great football and avoiding relegation in the process>also includes a potential increase of ones market value) 3) The money (depending on what we're offering in relative terms)
Fox Ulike Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 Like previously stated, I'm not referring to the Premiership as our exclusive "shopping window". You'll find talented and suitable players all across the globe and here I am one of those who trusts the scouting team, as well as the current management to come up with a few more gems and thus the goods. Even taking on a player like Ulloa is a risk, any signing is. You may argue that he knows the Championship level by now, but the Premier League is an entirely different case altogether. So far, we've signed two new players with PL knowledge and I expect a few more names with top-flight experience (be it in England or abroad) to join them. Plus, there's about three reasons why a "higher-profile" or foreign player would want to join us: 1) The chance of profiting from a great development team and backroom staff, thus growing and nurturing ones talent (>increasing your market value) 2) The challenge of giving it your best shot on one of the biggest football stages in the world (trying to play great football and avoiding relegation in the process>also includes a potential increase of ones market value) 3) The money (depending on what we're offering in relative terms) I have no objection to buying a player from abroad. THe point though is that most people would regard a player who has already come to England and immediately settled and scored goals in the Championship is less of a risk than a player who has spent his career abroad. Ulloa might be over-priced but we know he's not going to hate England and want to go home immediately. We know he can play in the English weather, and can adapt to the physicality of the English game. We know that the Brighton fans rate him. And he's done all this in his first season in England. No fvcking about "adapting" to England. He's got in there and bosh! Can we be sure of the same thing if we sign some bloke from Dynamo Zagreb or Sporting Gijon or wherever? Some bloke none of us have ever heard of and is being purchased on the strength of a scouts report and 3 Youtube videos? The standard of most European leagues is generally poor. The Championship is a tough league. Much tougher than 80% or even 90% of European Leagues. For every Michu there are 8 Ricky van Wolfswinkels. The striker we sign to lead our attack in the Premiership we cannot get wrong. I would rather it be Ulloa for £6m than Javier Van Fvukknosehu for £3m from Zenit Kraasenfeld.
MC Prussian Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 I have no objection to buying a player from abroad. THe point though is that most people would regard a player who has already come to England and immediately settled and scored goals in the Championship is less of a risk than a player who has spent his career abroad. Ulloa might be over-priced but we know he's not going to hate England and want to go home immediately. We know he can play in the English weather, and can adapt to the physicality of the English game. We know that the Brighton fans rate him. And he's done all this in his first season in England. No fvcking about "adapting" to England. He's got in there and bosh! Can we be sure of the same thing if we sign some bloke from Dynamo Zagreb or Sporting Gijon or wherever? Some bloke none of us have ever heard of and is being purchased on the strength of a scouts report and 3 Youtube videos? The standard of most European leagues is generally poor. The Championship is a tough league. Much tougher than 80% or even 90% of European Leagues. For every Michu there are 8 Ricky van Wolfswinkels. The striker we sign to lead our attack in the Premiership we cannot get wrong. I would rather it be Ulloa for £6m than Javier Van Fvukknosehu for £3m from Zenit Kraasenfeld. It's a bit presumptous to claim that most people would prefer an Ulloa over a foreign striker from a different league than the Championship. I assume you haven't seen games in most European leagues yourself. The standard isn't poor and certainly not poorer than in the Championship. I sense this superiority complex when the English talk about their own football leagues, in a way belittling what's beyond the boundaries of the Isles. For what it's worth, Javier Van Fvukknosehu may turn out the better deal than some Argentine from an English beach resort town.
Fox Ulike Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 It's a bit presumptous to claim that most people would prefer an Ulloa over a foreign striker from a different league than the Championship. I assume you haven't seen games in most European leagues yourself. The standard isn't poor and certainly not poorer than in the Championship. I sense this superiority complex when the English talk about their own football leagues, in a way belittling what's beyond the boundaries of the Isles. For what it's worth, Javier Van Fvukknosehu may turn out the better deal than some Argentine from an English beach resort town. Ehhh?? Do you have a problem with your hearing mate I seem to be saying one thing and then it has changed by the time it reaches your ears. I said most people would regard Ulloa "as less of a risk" than a player who's spent his career abroad". I have no comment to make on what people might "prefer". You missed your vocation you should of been a Daily Star reporter. Do you know what Europe is? You average championship side (Watford) would qualify for the Champions League if they played in 80% of European Leagues. Scotland, Latvia, Khazacstan. Bulgaria. Molde are Norwegian champions on average attendances of 9,000. Even in places like Portugal and Belgium half the first division teams are barely semi-professional. This is where Norwich went wrong paying £8.5m for a striker from Sporting Lisbon. The guy plays against no-hopers like Rio Ave and Gil Vicente week in week out. It's a duck shoot for him. Same with Gary Hooper from Celtic putting Ross County and Partick Thistle to the sword every week. Do you really think that the standard Ulloa consistently plays at is worse than Scotland? Doncaster Rovers would be League runners-up in Scotland. Championship is a different story. The Championship is about the 5th or 6th richest league in Europe... And it shows. Oh, and according to my mate who works in the club shop we have put in an £8m bid for Van Fvukknosehu. Twitter has gone mental.
MC Prussian Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 Ehhh?? Do you have a problem with your hearing mate I seem to be saying one thing and then it has changed by the time it reaches your ears. I said most people would regard Ulloa "as less of a risk" than a player who's spent his career abroad". I have no comment to make on what people might "prefer". You missed your vocation you should of been a Daily Star reporter. Do you know what Europe is? You average championship side (Watford) would qualify for the Champions League if they played in 80% of European Leagues. Scotland, Latvia, Khazacstan. Bulgaria. Molde are Norwegian champions on average attendances of 9,000. Even in places like Portugal and Belgium half the first division teams are barely semi-professional. This is where Norwich went wrong paying £8.5m for a striker from Sporting Lisbon. The guy plays against no-hopers like Rio Ave and Gil Vicente week in week out. It's a duck shoot for him. Same with Gary Hooper from Celtic putting Ross County and Partick Thistle to the sword every week. Do you really think that the standard Ulloa consistently plays at is worse than Scotland? Doncaster Rovers would be League runners-up in Scotland. Championship is a different story. The Championship is about the 5th or 6th richest league in Europe... And it shows. Oh, and according to my mate who works in the club shop we have put in an £8m bid for Van Fvukknosehu. Twitter has gone mental. I have no clue what you're on about with your first paragraph. So, saying that people would prefer an Ulloa over a foreign import isn't paraphrasing as "regarding him as less of a risk"? As for your Watford comparison, they don't play in other leagues - so it's nothing but far-fetched. It's like me saying Greuther Fürth would walk the Championship. What has the average attendance to do with the level of play abroad? There's fewer people living in Norway, the climate is also rougher, other sports act as competition (such as hockey, skiing, etc.) and draw people away from football grounds, too. You know, reading through your post a second time, I do really get the feeling that you think just because the Championship is the Championship, its standard of play should just be automatically a 100% better than the rest of Europe, if not the World. The Championship is also rich because of TV deals, sponsorship deals, parachute payments to the relegated teams from the Premier League, bigger crowds, etc. etc. All in all, quite the blinkered view on things.
Fox Ulike Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 I have no clue what you're on about with your first paragraph. So, saying that people would prefer an Ulloa over a foreign import isn't paraphrasing as "regarding him as less of a risk"? As for your Watford comparison, they don't play in other leagues - so it's nothing but far-fetched. It's like me saying Greuther Fürth would walk the Championship. What has the average attendance to do with the level of play abroad? There's fewer people living in Norway, the climate is also rougher, other sports act as competition (such as hockey, skiing, etc.) and draw people away from football grounds, too. You know, reading through your post a second time, I do really get the feeling that you think just because the Championship is the Championship, its standard of play should just be automatically a 100% better than the rest of Europe, if not the World. The Championship is also rich because of TV deals, sponsorship deals, parachute payments to the relegated teams from the Premier League, bigger crowds, etc. etc. All in all, quite the blinkered view on things. Jeez you are hard work. This is like trying to have a footy conversation with Mr Spock. "Watford don't play in other leagues. That is illogical."
Stadt Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 Jeez you are hard work. This is like trying to have a footy conversation with Mr Spock. "Watford don't play in other leagues. That is illogical." I agree with what you're saying, however saying a lot of foreign clubs are barely semi-professional isn't really correct but I agree with you on everything else.
sylofox Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 Sounds like you think you are the only one whose opinion counts. Getting worked up when people have a different view to yours. I haven't a view personally. Don't really know him, so pointed out that my mate said he is their best player, which shows like I said it is all about opinions I don't claim to be right I have a point of view and don't care if people do not agree. It's the snide comments that there is no need for. Just because I don't want or care if we sign a player it does not mean I am not supporting the manager. NP will not get every signing right or his team even Ferggie made mistakes. And know I won't slag him or NP down if it did go wrong. As I said I'll support the player if we get him. Don't mean I really want him to sign though had we got him for 3mill I may have viewed it different. Does not really look like NP wants to pay much having made 3 offers being still 2.5 mil short of what they say they won't take less than. So praps even NP thinks it will be a no go for 6.5 or more.
AKCJ Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 Not sure why people keeps suggesting that Knockaert should play behind the striker after Nugent just had an awesome season in that role.
sylofox Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 Not sure why people keeps suggesting that Knockaert should play behind the striker after Nugent just had an awesome season in that role. Not so hard to answer for a lot of them. 1 The Nugent haters 2 The people that think as he has not signed yet he can't want to be here so should fvck off. 3 Them that think penalties don't count. Feel free to add to the list.
Brauny Fox Posted 4 June 2014 Posted 4 June 2014 So, any new info on this or just another load of pages of people trying to get other people to see their point of view?
Steven Posted 11 June 2014 Posted 11 June 2014 New bid going in, £6.5m. I think he is a good player and just the sort of player we need. Questions is, is he a £6.5m player?
Narborough_fox Posted 11 June 2014 Posted 11 June 2014 Cheers for the news, but no thanks. Much rather we concentrated on someone else if we're bidding that.
AKCJ Posted 11 June 2014 Posted 11 June 2014 New bid going in, £6.5m. I for one am quite happy and i'll mention that before the incoming hate. I think he's a quality player who does score goals. We're in need of a traditional number 9 but I think he does that with intercontinental qualities. I think he's a risk, but I can see it coming off. Provided he stays injury free. £6.5m does seem like a lot of money, but we do need a player of his quality. He's going to have to get rid of that shite goatee though.
LCFC FOX Posted 11 June 2014 Posted 11 June 2014 He's a great ST, he's proved him self good enough in the championship so he deserves a chance. Also a different option that we may need
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