Leonardo Ulloa (Brighton) - Bid accepted

[Rocky Dennis]

I say sack Nige and the staff and bring in some of you know-it-alls on here!

This forum never ceases to make me smile, same shit every year

[Nick]

A ticket to a Premiership fixture - that's expensive.

 

Beer prices in London - that's expensive.

 

House prices in London - are just sickening.

 

For everything else, there's the Srivaddhanaprabha family.

 

7 million for a 27 year old footballer who our management team think will be a first choice striker for the next few years...... meh.

 

It's not the 90's anymore - if Nige went and paid 4 million for Peter Crouch they'd be people putting keys through motherboards.

 

At some point we have to lay down some dollar and if he scores 12-15 in this league which I believe he would he'll be worth double that at the mid point of his contract - think how many chances he would of got in our side this season..... I really do think he'd have hit 30 odd goals.

[Bert]

You judge teams over the course of the season, not two league games.

Not in our case.

We've played them twice, so unless you've been any other Brighton games how can you judge them over the season after only seeing them (max) twice?

Both times we've played them this season they destroyed us and played us off the park. The only team to do so as well.

Not too shabby against the champions of the football league.

[MC Prussian]

City cease chase for £10m rated striker

It is understood that Leicester City have given up the chase for Brighton & Hove Albion striker Leo Ulloa reports the Leicester Mercury. 

Reports have emerged that following three dismissed bids, Nigel Pearson has given up hope on attracting the Brighton & Hove Albion talisman to The KP. The Seagulls were allegedly asking for offers in the region of £7.5-10m which deterred The Foxes.

Pearson still remains hopeful on bringing Fraizer Campbell to Leicester following the triggering of his £800k release clause at current club Cardiff City.

First4LCFC

 

I'll take that with a pinch of salt - however, I wouldn't be too downhearted if this turns out to be the definite outcome.

£7.5m-10m is, quite frankly, both ridiculous and an insult.

[ealingfox]

judging from this ridiculous post.. You were one of the Pearson haters.. - wrong

 

You were one of the nobs who ran on the pitch during the lap of honour.. - wrong

 

One of the nobs who booed when the attendance on trophy day. - wrong

 

Turn up on the first day just to boo coz we haven't signed some unknown gem from Europe? One of the worst posts I've read on this forum. - whoosh. You're an idiot.

[Master Fox]

A ticket to a Premiership fixture - that's expensive.

 

Beer prices in London - that's expensive.

 

House prices in London - are just sickening.

 

For everything else, there's the Srivaddhanaprabha family.

 

7 million for a 27 year old footballer who our management team think will be a first choice striker for the next few years...... meh.

 

It's not the 90's anymore - if Nige went and paid 4 million for Peter Crouch they'd be people putting keys through motherboards.

 

At some point we have to lay down some dollar and if he scores 12-15 in this league which I believe he would he'll be worth double that at the mid point of his contract - think how many chances he would of got in our side this season..... I really do think he'd have hit 30 odd goals.

Exactly this. We'll probably only sign 2 maybe 3 more players after this , bringing a total spend to around £20 million mark. Which is totally within our budget and completely acceptable. Good strikers never come cheap, especially for 'big spending' Leicester. I say pay them what they want.

[Babylon]

 

How often do Clubs pay as much for players of Ulloa's calibre? They don't.

 

What like £5m for Hooper, or £10m for Cornelius, or £8.5m for Wolfwinkel, or £8m for Jordan Rhodes, or £6m for Jelavic.

 

Clubs pay decent money for Strikers from average leagues all the time, I could do a bit of digging and come up with a list probably as long as your arm. Some of whom were a success and some who weren't.

 

If the clubs scouts think his assets match the ones we are after and decide he is worth a gamble, then they should be allowed to get them. I mean, it's not like they have earnt the right or anything is it.....

[ealingfox]

What like £5m for Hooper, or £10m for Cornelius, or £8.5m for Wolfwinkel, or £8m for Jordan Rhodes, or £6m for Jelavic.

 

Clubs pay decent money for Strikers from average leagues all the time, I could do a bit of digging and come up with a list probably as long as your arm. Some of whom were a success and some who weren't.

 

The difference is all of those players had actually done something prior to the signing. Won things or had very prolific seasons.

 

Ulloa has done neither. He got 16 last year, not 36.

[Babylon]

The difference is all of those players had actually done something prior to the signing. Won things or had very prolific seasons.

 

Ulloa has done neither. He got 16 last year, not 36.

Yeah... in leagues mostly a lot poorer than the championship.

 

I get the feeling you'd be happy if we were buying him the season after he scored 28 for Almeria, but not now.

[absolutelegend]

Nigel has an excellent track record with signings so far. If he thinks he's good enough then I have no reason to doubt.

Price of the player doesn't concern me, whether £1 or £10000000. Its whether they will make us better.

[dannythefox]

Exactly this. We'll probably only sign 2 maybe 3 more players after this , bringing a total spend to around £20 million mark. Which is totally within our budget and completely acceptable. Good strikers never come cheap, especially for 'big spending' Leicester. I say pay them what they want.

personally I don't think we'll spend over 10 million never mind 20

Exactly this. We'll probably only sign 2 maybe 3 more players after this , bringing a total spend to around £20 million mark. Which is totally within our budget and completely acceptable. Good strikers never come cheap, especially for 'big spending' Leicester. I say pay them what they want.

personally I don't think we'll spend over 10 million never mind 20

[Nick]

personally I don't think we'll spend over 10 million never mind 20

personally I don't think we'll spend over 10 million never mind 20

 

If we do it twice we might.

[sylofox]

does it matter if he costs 4 mill or 8 mill ?  we have the money. as long as his wages are in line and he wants to come here and be part of 'the team', then i dont see what relevance the fee has. if we had a finite amount to spend then it would be an issue.  if he can see that we want him then maybe he will put a transfer request in if brighton reject again. i suspect he doesnt want to do that as he would forfeit a load of dosh from brighton. of course, if the fee increases then brighton will use that extra to pay him what he is due. there is a point where this deal works for them. we may be approaching it. 

So if you was looking to buy a car and a garage was charging twice the RRP you would pay it would you?

 

If he is worth 4 thats all we should pay.

We had money when Top n Co came in and spunked it up the wall on nothing.

Paying over the odds and not caring what we spend has got us in trouble before.

 

Come jan we may need other players but not be able to get them as we have over spent already.

[Guest]

So if you was looking to buy a car and a garage was charging twice the RRP you would pay it would you?

 

If he is worth 4 thats all we should pay.

We had money when Top n Co came in and spunked it up the wall on nothing.

Paying over the odds and not caring what we spend has got us in trouble before.

 

Come jan we may need other players but not be able to get them as we have over spent already.

 

How are you judging Worth?

 

If we are willing to pay an amount isn't that his Worth to us?

 

If Brighton won't sell him for less than a certain figure isn't that his Worth to them?

 

Or are we going on his Worth to you?

[st albans fox]

So if you was looking to buy a car and a garage was charging twice the RRP you would pay it would you?

If he is worth 4 thats all we should pay.

We had money when Top n Co came in and spunked it up the wall on nothing.

Paying over the odds and not caring what we spend has got us in trouble before.

Come jan we may need other players but not be able to get them as we have over spent already.

Of course you are right IF il you can buy the car at the rrp and other cars which are as good are available. If you refuse to buy the car and can't get another one then what happens? You can't walk everywhere. If I really wanted THAT car and the garage demanded twice the rrp and I had the money then I would pay it. If I had a limited budget then I wouldn't.

[Bettsj2]

So if you was looking to buy a car and a garage was charging twice the RRP you would pay it would you?

If he is worth 4 thats all we should pay.

We had money when Top n Co came in and spunked it up the wall on nothing.

Paying over the odds and not caring what we spend has got us in trouble before.

Come jan we may need other players but not be able to get them as we have over spent already.

Jan is the time when you have to pay over the odds. Like it or not, £7m for this guy is the asking price so if we want him, we have to pay it.

I've not seen enough of him to form a judgement on whether or not he's worth it but I certainly wont look at his record for an indication of his worth as that really has nothing to do with how he'll perform in the future for us.

We operate in a market now where regardless of who says what or what budget is rumoured etc, people know very well that we have money as we're in the Prem and when you're in the Prem, you can spend £7m on a striker without worrying too much.

When Peter Taylor overspent and got us relegated which caused the inevitable administration, our wage bill was too high, the TV revenue was not the level it is at today, our board of directors had no money and we'd committed to the build of the stadium.

Over spending and landing us in trouble wont happen this time. Add to that the fact that Peter Taylor was hugely inexperienced and very naive in his transfer dealings.

If we want this player it is for good reason and if we pay £7m, we wont know if its worth it or not until we've actually seen how he plays in our system.

[Fox Ulike]

So if you was looking to buy a car and a garage was charging twice the RRP you would pay it would you?

 

If he is worth 4 thats all we should pay.

We had money when Top n Co came in and spunked it up the wall on nothing.

Paying over the odds and not caring what we spend has got us in trouble before.

 

Come jan we may need other players but not be able to get them as we have over spent already.

 

Yeah but footballers don't have an RRP.

 

The price tag has absolutely nothing to do with a player's intrinsic 'worth' (there's no such thing), and everything to do with the value of contract that a player has signed.

 

We're paying a lot because Ulloa is on a long contract. He's got 3 years left and so Brighton are in a strong position. So we're not 'playing over the odds' we will have to recompense Brighton for the 3 years' that Ulloa owes to them.

[Rhysm]

Yeah but footballers don't have an RRP.

 

The price tag has absolutely nothing to do with a player's intrinsic 'worth' (there's no such thing), and everything to do with the value of contract that a player has signed.

 

We're paying a lot because Ulloa is on a long contract. He's got 3 years left and so Brighton are in a strong position. So we're not 'playing over the odds' we will have to recompense Brighton for the 3 years' that Ulloa owes to them.

Agreed - In addition to the contract value also the fact they don't appear to be that desparate to sell.

 

That is the danger of chasing someone who is not officially "up for sale"

[HowardsBulletHeader]

I don't agree with the fee I think we are being slightly ripped off, but if NP has made him the main transfer target then it should be a priority to 'bite the bullet'. Not spend wildly, but try and get the number one man for the lowest fee possible. If that's £7.5m then that's what it is. Our football club will still be here tomorrow and nobody has touched your child's inheritance, you'll be alright.

I think the spending of previous managers, relative to their success or lack of, has put a lot of fans off of spending what they deem large amounts of money. I bet there is an example at every club of a hefty transfer fee paid for a player that hasn't worked out. The two that spring to mind are Robinho (Man C) & Torres (to Chelsea).

Even for the big clubs it doesn't always work out paying hefty sums for players and that doesn't necessarily mean they are bad players, it just didn't work for them for whatever reason. Gervinho is a decent example, didn't really work for him at Arsenal and is tearing up Serie A for Roma.

If we were targeting a player in a foreign league e.g Van Wolfswinkel, I bet a lot of you would have taken him before last season with his goal scoring record (28 in 55 for Sporting according to his Wiki). Didn't Norwich pay 8 or 12 million for him? So in relation would you be happy with paying £6.5m for a player that's already proven in England (albeit a league below) as opposed to a player in a foreign league that could take a year to adapt? I suspect people would be more optimistic if we were targeting a foreign player, but it doesn't always work and adapting to the English leagues can be difficult.

While I don't want us to be ripped off, NP must have Ulloa high up in his plans and feels he will be a key cog. He has already adapted well enough to the English leagues and NP obviously feels he can make a step up to the next level and help us do well in the Premier League next season. We are going to have to pay over the odds because of the nature of football; Ulloa's goal scoring record in a fairly defensive/counter-attacking team; his age (arguably in his prime) and because he's Brighton's star man.

While we don't want to blow the budget completely, I am sure some have mentioned here already there are two options: 'spend it wisely on NP's targets and get what he wants' or 'leave it in the coffers and let the owners play with it and be staring relegation in the face come January through a lack of investment'. It's a no brainer. Hopefully NP has identified the correct targets and we will be looking back and saying 'money well spent'.

[ollielawrence]

Good point Prussian. I didn't realise he was that old. Little or no resale value means it's a gamble.

In that case I would prefer to see Woods get a run in the side to see if he can step up.

CLEVER FOX?? it's Chris Wood not woods FFS!

[Stadt]

I'd understand the concern if we had already spent £25 million and this was in August but the circumstances are completely different.

16 goals for a relatively negative side in an injury hit season, Vardy got 16 goals I think in a much more positive side so Ulloa is clearly a capable striker - plus he's primarily a target man and target men generally aren't the most prolific.

Oh and it's £6.5 million, not £26.5 million.

[Happy Fox]

If we are spending 6.5m on a target man I rather we didn't!, our game isn't based on target men, yes we may need a plan B and someone that is good aerially and can score from crosses which is Albrighton's game, however, £6.5m isn't simply worth it unless the player in question is better than Nugent and Vardy and imo Ulloa isn't so it is a NO from me.

[Babylon]

I think football manager seriously has a lot to answer for.

[Buzzell]

I think football manager seriously has a lot to answer for.

Is he any good on that then?

[MPH]

If people think you are going to get value for money when trying to assemble a squad for the premier league then

If you try and scrimp and save you'll only be there one season