Mark_w Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 Do you really think someone is going to start going into a political debate on racism and misogyny while you've got your cock in a Thai bird's mouth? If you are going to get involved these sort of situations I think it's best you keep your morality to yourself Did you not read the rest of that post? But cc_star is right anyway.
AyewJoking Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 they're young and made a huge mistake. I'd give them a second chance but from a business point of view, there is no way back. release them and move on. close thread.
Babylon Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 I can agree to disagree. I don't think they are all being tarred with the same brush. Hopper is clearly being seen as the worst culprit but that doesn't mean that all 3 shouldn't be sacked. I think that's the necessary step for LCFC to take but it doesn't mean that Hopper shouldn't face other charges through the authorites (or maybe through LCFC too). I feel very sorry for NP but there is no reason he can't go along fully with his son's sacking and then try to re-ignite a football career for him (even though I've never thought JP was good enough to be on the city books). He is yes, because people who have seen it are pointing it out. I'm not sure that was the case early on, certainly wasn't the case with me I'll hold my hands up to that. I'm not saying the others shouldn't be sacked, but I'd certainly be putting a bit more thought in to it than I was about Hoppers future. I think someone said James is out of contract anyway, so it's probably an easy out on that one for for Nigel now.
Guest MattP Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 Did you not read the rest of that post? But cc_star is right anyway. I did, I just chuckled so hard at the first bit I had to respond, can you imagine how funny the video of that would have been mind? Pearson Jnr starts slapping his cock across the face of the bird and forcing it on her then as soon as Hopper calls her a slit eye he starts shouting across the room 'Come on hops, that's fcuking disagraceful mate, have some respect for these women' CC was right, but the morality of what they were doing should have came long before they were naked in a bedroom, you can't start preaching about morals when you are engaging in that sort of thing.
filbertway Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 If they were anywhere near the vinegar strokes, even an earthquake wouldn't have stopped them finishing the job, that's just a straight up fact.
Mike Oxlong Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 Do you really think someone is going to start going into a political debate on racism and misogyny while you've got your cock in a Thai bird's mouth? If you are going to get involved these sort of situations I think it's best you keep your morality to yourself I think you might feel uncomfortable enough to lose wood or not want to be a part of it any longer. This wasn't a bit of teasing or piss taking. You've seen the vid so you know exactly what it was. At the very least you might say "C'mon Tom, leave it out" Is there any sense that either of the others felt at all uncomfortable with what was being said?
hackneyfox Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 Why is the Thai angle so big in regards to the women? Would this be ok if it was an orgy with Cambodian women? Would we go harsher on a foreigner if he had a threesome with two English birds as we are from here? It wouldn't reflect well on the club wherever it took place or whatever nationality the women were but having Thai owners and sponsors makes it more of a story for the press.It also means that the owners or sponsors could walk away.
Daggers Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 I really can't bring myself to be as angry about this as some of you or as apologist as others. And so, with MattP continuing his solo ascent of Mount Stupid and Father Ted swimming across a lake of his own tears, I'd like to thank the thread for the intelligent comments and the posts that made me laugh. I wish you all a pleasant summer.
Merging Cultures Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 I've seen an uncensored version, but I believe it is edited, so I think there is more that I haven't seen. In this version, Hopper is clearly the main instigator and he says the racial comment. He should be sacked. The other two displayed amazingly bad judgement appearing in a group sex video in their bosses country. In doing so, they brought the club into disrepute, regardless of what they said or did (or had the girls do). The cultural aspect means that it is likely the owner is very embarrassed and is having to do major damage control. From a business and cultural perspective, they should all go.
Guest MattP Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 It wouldn't reflect well on the club wherever it took place or whatever nationality the women were but having Thai owners and sponsors makes it more of a story for the press. It also means that the owners or sponsors could walk away. That's what I mean though, it's obviously extremely serious that this happened in Thailand as our owners are from there and more importantly they were supposed to be behaving in a professional manner whilst on a trip paid for (I assume) by the owners. But some are saying it's worse as they are 'Thai prostitutes' - surely the nationality of the women (which we don't even know given many women are trafficked into Thailland from many places) is actually irrelevent.
hackneyfox Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 That's what I mean though, it's obviously extremely serious that this happened in Thailand as our owners are from there and more importantly they were supposed to be behaving in a professional manner whilst on a trip paid for (I assume) by the owners. But some are saying it's worse as they are 'Thai prostitutes' - surely the nationality of the women (which we don't even know given many women are trafficked into Thailland from many places) is actually irrelevent. The nationality should be irrelevant, whether the owners or sponsors think the same is more important to the future of the club.
Merging Cultures Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 But some are saying it's worse as they are 'Thai prostitutes' - surely the nationality of the women (which we don't even know given many women are trafficked into Thailland from many places) is actually irrelevent. In before someone says; "do we know there are prostitutes" again It's irrelevant. They mistreated women and acted like idiots.
Master Fox Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 I think what we really need is for the media to take the moral high ground on this issue.
RoboFox Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 But you do need to watch it to realise it's seemingly just one person making all of those comments. Going off comments on here, an edited and blurred out video and red top headlines I'm not sure that comes across at all. In fact it can't because all three are being tarred with exactly the same brush. For me, aside from the obvious deplorable racist and derogatory comments, it was the general "pack mentality" of all of them that was disturbing. All three were revelling in the fact that they had power over these women, and seemed to be enjoying Hopper's derision of them... All the laughing, jeering and high-fiving. Even though the women clearly couldn't speak English, it must've been quite intimidating for them. What I'm saying is, just because Pearson and Smith didn't necessarily make those comments, doesn't mean they can't be held equally responsible. On a less serious note: Why would you send something like that to a mate? I mean, I really can't understand it. If I checked my phone one day to find one of my pals had sent me videos of himself, legs akimbo... I'd have to really reassess my friendship choices.
hackneyfox Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 Are we sure that first team players weren't elsewhere in the building doing the same? Just hope it's just the 3 idiots.
hackneyfox Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 On a less serious note: Why would you send something like that to a mate? I mean, I really can't understand it. If I checked my phone one day to find one of my pals had sent me videos of himself, legs akimbo... I'd have to really reassess my friendship choices.I'd imagine they will be reassessing their frienship choice after he snitched them to The Mirror.
bovril Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 Are we sure that first team players weren't elsewhere in the building doing the same? Just hope it's just the 3 idiots. I reckon some probably were. I don't think anybody's under any illusions that footballers are mostly a thoughtful, well-behaved bunch.
hackneyfox Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 I reckon some probably were. I don't think anybody's under any illusions that footballers are mostly a thoughtful, well-behaved bunch.If that is the case then it may not be so easy to sack the 3.
Stevosevic Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 Are we sure that first team players weren't elsewhere in the building doing the same? Just hope it's just the 3 idiots. No, we only know about this incident because the idiots filmed it and sent it about. They could have all been at it.
Finnegan Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 The ethnicity of the women involved (to be fair, they could be Cambodian or Malaysian or Bhutanese for all half of us know) is obviously relevant. It doesn't make it more or less offensive but it definitely, DEFINITELY makes it considerably more ****ing retarded. I'm an extremely expendable employee and my billionaire boss has just flown me to his Asian homeland, what should I do now to thank him? Oh, I know, I'll film myself degrading local women with mysoginistic abuse and chuck in a racial slur that attacks half this continent - including my boss. Anyone for a cheeky nandos? ... What do you mean the boss wants a word?
Guest MattP Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 Are we sure that first team players weren't elsewhere in the building doing the same? Just hope it's just the 3 idiots. It's a load of lads on a trip to Thailand, I don't think anyone would be naive enough to think these were the only three that decided to engage in the other well known 'delights' of the country whilst they were out there, I'd just imagine the others weren't stupid enough to film themselves in this way. The real problem would be if the club has put on the 'entertainment' for the players (if happens with companies, it can happen with football clubs) if they have we'll be burying some bodies right now. The way Hopper talks to the camera though it looks pretty clear it's a mate he's speaking too so very possible a 4th player is involved whoever it is, I imagine the club are working overtime behind the scenes regarding this right now.
sylofox Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 For me, aside from the obvious deplorable racist and derogatory comments, it was the general "pack mentality" of all of them that was disturbing. All three were revelling in the fact that they had power over these women, and seemed to be enjoying Hopper's derision of them... All the laughing, jeering and high-fiving. Even though the women clearly couldn't speak English, it must've been quite intimidating for them. What I'm saying is, just because Pearson and Smith didn't necessarily make those comments, doesn't mean they can't be held equally responsible. On a less serious note: Why would you send something like that to a mate? I mean, I really can't understand it. If I checked my phone one day to find one of my pals had sent me videos of himself, legs akimbo... I'd have to really reassess my friendship choices. Looks like someone did and found a new friend in the Daily Mirror's bank balance.
Frank to be Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 The nationality of the women isn't relevant in respect of the racism and misogyny but obviously adds to the story in respect of the owners. They are Thai - they're speaking Thai with a rural Isaan accent, a poor part of Thailand from which many women migrate to work in the entertainment industries. They're apparently quite poorly spoken, so together with the tattoos and more so what they're actually doing, it's certain they are prostitutes.
sylofox Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 It's a load of lads on a trip to Thailand, I don't think anyone would be naive enough to think these were the only three that decided to engage in the other well known 'delights' of the country whilst they were out there, I'd just imagine the others weren't stupid enough to film themselves in this way. The real problem would be if the club has put on the 'entertainment' for the players (if happens with companies, it can happen with football clubs) if they have we'll be burying some bodies right now. The way Hopper talks to the camera though it looks pretty clear it's a mate he's speaking too so very possible a 4th player is involved whoever it is, I imagine the club are working overtime behind the scenes regarding this right now. Are you for real. Top "Nige we know you are big on squad togetherness so we are sending girls to all the room's. Do you think that will be good for moral" Nige "Thats fine and if all the wags find out we can smooth it over by saying it was just a joke" Top "Your girl is in your room Nige" Nige " I am the manager do I not get 2 as I am not sharing with any of the players" Top "Sorry nige we will send another up to you now go get started"
Detroit Blues Posted 2 June 2015 Posted 2 June 2015 Would you really be surprised to be sacked if you went on a business trip and you got caught on camera racially abusing thai prostitutes with a few coworkers? Add to the fact that in the process you embarrass the owner and degrade the name of the company you work for. The only difference is that the workers in question are football players who are more valuable that your average employee. But in this case, they aren't even quality enough players to bother making excuses for. It's not like Hopper, Pearson or Smith are such quality players on the field that it's worth keeping them on the team after such a scandal. If a player like Messi does something like this you have a press conference, tell the world he's seeking help for some sort of addiction and then play him for the season opener. These players aren't even worth making excuses for.
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