Tuna Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Bloody hell, Steve Corica. Only played a handful of games for us I think but remember him being the dogs bollux. The **** took him with him to Wolves.
Stadt Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 so you've only been a fan for 15 years. I've been alive for 17.
inckley fox Posted 14 July 2015 Posted 14 July 2015 Unprecedented investment? , after Sven he had to cut, cut, cut dealing with low value transfers and frees. His net spending was something less than £5m in all that time & on a many times reduced wage bill. It's not that often individuals buy-in to team ethic in that way and going the extra mile for each other & manager is quite rare Adams inherited a relegated side & couldn't add to it, but many were PL players anyway, so finishing 2nd was a good achievement, but pretty much a par for a team that retains most of their players. As an assistant he saw us through a miserable relegation in 2002 and when he left the club as manager we had a squad with an average age of 30, mostly on short-term deals, in 14th position in the Championship. Even though his hands were tied for much of the time, he was still one of the key protagonists in our decline - the managerial link between our yo-yoing Premiership status and our mid-lower table second tier status. The instability left behind by Adams - who, even when he did have funds tended to opt for experience over promise - led to Levein's haphazard attempt at reducing the average age of the squad, Kelly's attempts to keep heads above water, then an even more haphazard attempt to restructure the squad which ended in relegation. When we went down, three-and-a-bit years after Adams left, we were in a situation where nobody had successfully regenerated the squad in a decade, including Adams. That said, I wouldn't be so quick to forget the extent of his achievement in 02-03. We can't credibly compare Adams with Pearson, obviously not, but it's perfectly plausible to say that the 03 promotion was as great an individual achievement as any of Pearson's. While he retained the bulk of the previous season's squad he still lost Piper, Savage and Rowett, among others. Then there was administration, pay cuts, players playing for free, fist-fights on tour, wind-up orders... but he kept heads above water and took us to the Premier League. And he came close to pulling PL survival off as well. Had he done so then we might well have been talking about what a great boss he was, what a great position he left our team in compared to that in which he found them. But he didn't, and - as harsh as it is on a boss who was so financially hamstrung for much of his time - it's impossible to deem his reign a success.
enmac Posted 15 July 2015 Posted 15 July 2015 I know it's hard to compare different eras, because cash has become more and more influential, but in the last 50 years, surely Gillies? Top of the division with 5 games to go and favourites in the up and coming cup final against ManU- Bloomfield gets 9.5/10, purely for great football. Imagine! 3 City players in the same England team drawing 2-2 with Argentina. Can't see that happening anytime soon. MON and Pearson joint 3rd. Sent from my BNTV600 using Tapatalk
Swiss_tony Posted 15 July 2015 Author Posted 15 July 2015 I've been alive for 17. jesus, i do feel for you.
Guest Col city fan Posted 15 July 2015 Posted 15 July 2015 Top 10 implies ten good managers with 1 being the absolute best. In my lifetime, there are 4 standout successful managers, and they would be Little, O'Neill, Adams and Pearson, of which O'Neill is the undisputed king. This, this and this again...
st albans fox Posted 15 July 2015 Posted 15 July 2015 I know it's hard to compare different eras, because cash has become more and more influential, but in the last 50 years, surely Gillies? Top of the division with 5 games to go and favourites in the up and coming cup final against ManU- Bloomfield gets 9.5/10, purely for great football. Imagine! 3 City players in the same England team drawing 2-2 with Argentina. Can't see that happening anytime soon. MON and Pearson joint 3rd. Sent from my BNTV600 using Tapatalk Getting closer. Milne was a very astute manager. And you missed MON. Consistent top ten finishes in the PL The younger posters seem to think this is about 'managers you've seen'. Not sure that was the idea. Surely, staying at the top level, year after year is what counts. As I said earlier, Pearson has lost his chance to get into the top 4 as we'll never know if he was capable of doing this.
KP Fox Posted 15 July 2015 Posted 15 July 2015 Martin Bloomfield Pearson Milne Little Wallace Adams O'Farrell Taylor Ranieri
Edingleyfox Posted 15 July 2015 Posted 15 July 2015 MartinBloomfieldPearsonMilneLittleWallaceAdamsO'FarrellTaylorRanieri Ranieri worse than Taylor certainly hope not otherwise great listing
adam1 Posted 16 July 2015 Posted 16 July 2015 I think managers such as Levein, Adams, and Rob Kelly ought to be applauded for what they did on a £0 budget. Adams got us promoted. Yes the squad had some good players but he kept them together and he kept them focused on the pitch. Remember some of the players were not being paid during this time. Levein and Kelly had £0 budget.We were in a financial hell hole. They kept us afloat and steadied the ship. If we got relegated to league 1 during that period we would not be where we are now.
Babylon Posted 16 July 2015 Posted 16 July 2015 Adams inherited a total and complete shambles and won promotion from the championship on a shoestring in one attempt. Pearson inherited a squad that should never have been relegated and got us promoted from league one in one attempt, then got us promoted to the premier league in a combined three and a half years benefiting from unprecedented levels of investment. Not much between them, but yes I think Adam's achievement is the more impressive. Love how you put positive slants on everything Adams did and negative ones on what Pearson did. Shall we try it the other way around? Adams inherited a team that should never have been relelgated and still had players such as Izzet, Taggert, Elliott, Walker, Sinclair, Dickov, Scowcroft, Impey. Pearson inherited a mess of a team not good enough for the Championship. The team that then got us promoted was mostly put together by him on a budget. Of the 16 players with the most appearances 10 were signed by him, 3 were youth players and 3 were inherited from other managers. After getting us promoted and to the play offs in our first season back, his good work was dismantled and his hard working squad replaced with expensive rubbish, he then had to remove them from the team on his return, again only really benefiting from three signings. He got us promoted and kept us up despite the odds.
Sampson Posted 16 July 2015 Posted 16 July 2015 1. Gillies 2. Bloomfield 3. O'Neilll 4. Pearson 5. Wallace 6. Little 7. Milne 8. Adams 9. O'Farell 10. Lee I think people tend to overrate O'Farrell tbh.
Gerard Posted 16 July 2015 Posted 16 July 2015 1) MON 2) Pearson 3) Ranieri (on the strength he's better than the rest because he hasn't made a pig's ear of it yet) . . . . . the rest . . . . last) Peter Taylor
foxfanazer Posted 16 July 2015 Posted 16 July 2015 Love how you put positive slants on everything Adams did and negative ones on what Pearson did. Shall we try it the other way around? Adams inherited a team that should never have been relelgated and still had players such as Izzet, Taggert, Elliott, Walker, Sinclair, Dickov, Scowcroft, Impey. Pearson inherited a mess of a team not good enough for the Championship. The team that then got us promoted was mostly put together by him on a budget. Of the 16 players with the most appearances 10 were signed by him, 3 were youth players and 3 were inherited from other managers. After getting us promoted and to the play offs in our first season back, his good work was dismantled and his hard working squad replaced with expensive rubbish, he then had to remove them from the team on his return, again only really benefiting from three signings. He got us promoted and kept us up despite the odds. Don't bring facts in to it Babs, it's hardly fair
demon_dog Posted 16 July 2015 Posted 16 July 2015 In my time, number one is definitely Matt Gillies, followed by O'Neill. The worst ever, Peter Taylor.
eastendfox Posted 17 July 2015 Posted 17 July 2015 Harsh on Taylor. He broke up a side and got it relegated in two seasons. It only took Frank McLintock one season to achieve the same. Dishonorable mentions to Ian Holloway, who we've all tried to forget, Brian Hamilton, who we all have forgotten, and David Pleat, whose reputation belied some of the worst football ever played by a city side. But the first two are out on their own in the dreadful manager stakes.
Steven Posted 17 July 2015 Posted 17 July 2015 Harsh on Taylor. He broke up a side and got it relegated in two seasons. It only took Frank McLintock one season to achieve the same. Dishonorable mentions to Ian Holloway, who we've all tried to forget, Brian Hamilton, who we all have forgotten, and David Pleat, whose reputation belied some of the worst football ever played by a city side. But the first two are out on their own in the dreadful manager stakes. I have never recovered.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 17 July 2015 Posted 17 July 2015 Love how you put positive slants on everything Adams did and negative ones on what Pearson did. Shall we try it the other way around? Adams inherited a team that should never have been relelgated and still had players such as Izzet, Taggert, Elliott, Walker, Sinclair, Dickov, Scowcroft, Impey. Pearson inherited a mess of a team not good enough for the Championship. The team that then got us promoted was mostly put together by him on a budget. Of the 16 players with the most appearances 10 were signed by him, 3 were youth players and 3 were inherited from other managers. After getting us promoted and to the play offs in our first season back, his good work was dismantled and his hard working squad replaced with expensive rubbish, he then had to remove them from the team on his return, again only really benefiting from three signings. He got us promoted and kept us up despite the odds. Adams did a decent job keeping the (mainly highly paid PL) players together and focussed during that promotion winning season in administration but you're right...Pearson's achievement is much greater.
EnderbyFox Posted 17 July 2015 Posted 17 July 2015 This last week on FT has just been a constant show of Babs & Inckley vs ImBlue & Frank To Be in every single thread
Mark_w Posted 17 July 2015 Posted 17 July 2015 This last week on FT has just been a constant show of Babs & Inckley vs ImBlue & Frank To Be in every single thread Surely ImBlue/Frank To Be are at a dangerous disadvantage in this contest, they could genuinely get really hurt.
johnny the fox Posted 17 July 2015 Posted 17 July 2015 Gary Megson legend.. the man walked out on us... totally understandable... he just beats dennis wise for me ... why this bloke wise ever condescended to ever get involved with us is beyond me..we were never in his class..TBF mark mcGhee still gives me the horn..
Izzy Posted 17 July 2015 Posted 17 July 2015 . I remember some of our football under McGhee giving me the horn too!
Fez of Mahrez Posted 17 July 2015 Posted 17 July 2015 Relegation under Adams seems to have been airbrushed from history in this thread as well.
bovril Posted 19 July 2015 Posted 19 July 2015 I think managers such as Levein, Adams, and Rob Kelly ought to be applauded for what they did on a £0 budget. Adams got us promoted. Yes the squad had some good players but he kept them together and he kept them focused on the pitch. Remember some of the players were not being paid during this time. Levein and Kelly had £0 budget.We were in a financial hell hole. They kept us afloat and steadied the ship. If we got relegated to league 1 during that period we would not be where we are now. Adams did a good job getting us up but his appalling tactics and substitutions relegated us. Rob Kelly was a nice enough bloke but should have stepped down after keeping us up in 06. He's not a first team manager. Levein.. fvck off. The guy's a fraud. Awful manager.
Guest Col city fan Posted 19 July 2015 Posted 19 July 2015 legend.. the man walked out on us... totally understandable... he just beats dennis wise for me ... why this bloke wise ever condescended to ever get involved with us is beyond me..we were never in his class..TBF mark mcGhee still gives me the horn.. However don't forget Megson masterminded the great cup win away at Villa. Fryatt scored the winner I think? We went mental..good night that was.
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