Babylon Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Says you? Anyway, I loved cambiasso, why can't be glad we had him last season and enjoy this season without him? Yes says me. If I'm proved wrong I'll hold my hands up, I don't put my fingers in my ears and plough through despite seemingly everyone else saying the opposite. I don't know why we can't, people continue to try and warp history and what happened to fit their viewpoint. Who'd be idiotic enough to use stats to diminish his argument? How you draw your last sentence conclusion I don't know. You may or may not be right but there's been so much change within our team I don't see how you can quantify the effect - in terms of points - of one player compared with another. How much effect has Simpson had? Or Kante? Of Fuchs? Or Shinji or all sorts of players in conjunction with others? That's not anti Drinkwater. He's played well in the main. Who hasn't? But I still think the guy can and should do more as a threat. But then I could say almost every player could do better though I'm struggling with Vardy, Morgan and Kante on that one just now, when it comes to specifics and being realistic. I think Thracian just backed me up...
MC Prussian Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Still surprised cambiassio left He did a great job for us and well well paid But he really isn't deserving of being in a muzzy or walshie type of "legend"' bracket You only gain that level of respect over a prolong period of time or exceptional success (trophies ) in a short period If Vardy goes in summer (he won't ) his level of "legend" status would be based upon if he fires us to win premiership or not , but if he stays next 3 years and cements us in the league and in Europe he will certainly join the true "legends" bracket without having to win the title. Legend is a term that needs serious earning Cambiassio is a fantastic page or two in our clubs long history book , but is he a club legend ? ... No , not for me Maybe he felt as if his body could no longer cope with the demands of a top league in Europe, hence why he opted for Greece. At his age (he's closing in on 36 now), a decline in speed and capabilities is a given - I'm very glad for what he did in the short space that he wore the LCFC jersey, but whether he'd have had the same impact this season under these circumstances, remains open for debate and is rather questionable.
Captain... Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Maybe he felt as if his body could no longer cope with the demands of a top league in Europe, hence why he opted for Greece. At his age (he's closing in on 36 now), a decline in speed and capabilities is a given - I'm very glad for what he did in the short space that he wore the LCFC jersey, but whether he'd have had the same impact this season under these circumstances, remains open for debate and is rather questionable. He's not played that much for Greece according to the stats, only 15 games in all competitions, a combination of injury and not being selected by the looks of it. He probably knew he couldn't handle another season in the Premier League.
Babylon Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 He's not played that much for Greece according to the stats, only 15 games in all competitions, a combination of injury and not being selected by the looks of it. He's "not had a chance".
AKCJ Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Anyway, I loved cambiasso, why can't be glad we had him last season and enjoy this season without him? It's like the whole "Pearsonite" shambles. Apparently you are one or the other, heaven forbid you just support the club.
fuchsntf Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 No you're right I should choose stats that don't help my argument, that would make sense. What other stats would you like me to show? He got plenty of pitch time last season to show his worth, the simple fact is he didn't perform. You can say the skill was "always there", but he had ups and downs in the championship also, so you can try and make out it's all Cambiasso's fault because you and you girlfriend have a hard on for him, but the reality is he wasn't up to it. There can be a number of reasons for that... but don't say he didn't have a chance, he had more than enough. Please do explain what the many forms of "not being given a chance are", because everyone else seems to have a different definition of what that means. like many DD, was not up to the pace, when he started out.Many have short memories, he carried an injury into the season, and took time to get into the team.Then took another knock.So there was no fluency or consistency coming from midfield.It was awhile before the previous season champions BBone actually started to play together. James was also struggling with injury. It took till christmas or after, before any city player found any form.Wasi was probably our best player, at that time.Even when DD and James plus Cambiasso started more often.The whole team found it hard to stop, hold or control the ball, Cambiasso had hot and cold moments but oozed class. The click came later.Like you said DD had started to get games behind him, but not showing anything special or even above avg. Even though we never got hammered, we always seemed to be chasing games, with the occasional badluck, when parity was being held.We looked a team below PL standard. Who had had a couple of explosive moments, where some good games were played. At the time when chosen imo James looked better than DD. Then it started to happen....
Crazy Kop Corner Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 I've always been a big fan of DD. I like the fact that he' always get stuck in and looks as though he really hates losing. To the point in games where if are losing he starts to put the boot in a bit which I've always associated with as he's as miserable on the pitch as I am in the stand. Absolutely superb player who totally deserves a call up.
GingerrrFox Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Although Danny wouldn't see it this way, sitting behind and learning from Cambiasso would have done his game the world of good and he is undoubtedly now a better player because of it. He's shadowed a world class midfielder and aspects of his game that weren't there before are now a great asset to the team. Example before this season it was rare to see Danny crack a 35 yard pass in behind or switch the play ala Scholes, Pirlo or indeed Cambiasso and that is now key component of our game. Shadowing Cambiasso for a year was the making of Danny Drinkwater.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Drinkwater was a difficult player to manage at times.
Fox92 Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Drinkwater was a difficult player to manage at times. Allowed to go further into that?
LCFC hub Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 He's been as key as anyone in this team this season! When he wasn't fit against Liverpool you could see the difference, he makes us tick. He's our steering wheel!! That said, he was no where near at the level last season line the majority of our squad. I for one am glad he didn't leave, and would go far as saying Cambiasso not staying was a blessing in disguise.
Kitchandro Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 No we wouldn't. Huth was just as influential as Cambiasso and I'd go as far as saying we'd be in the Championship without Huth. You only have to look at how Morgan's game has improved playing at the side of an experienced Robert Huth. Yeh Huth wasn't going to orchestrate attacks and score goals though was he? The real leader on the pitch was Esteban and he was hugely influential in our survival. I don't think we'd have stayed up without him, for his mentality as much as anything. He bossed that West Ham game and that was the turning point. He believed (remember his interview before that?) and then other players started to believe. It wasn't a one man show but he was crucial.
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Allowed to go further into that? He could be a bit moody but not in an arrogant way. I think he's a bit shy underneath his sometimes brash exterior.
Kitchandro Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Anyway, this is a thread for Drinky. He was exceptional on Tuesday and it really highlighted how far he's come. His development is very similar to Vardy's - he took a while to find his feet when he joined us, then was brilliant in our promotion season. Struggled in his first Premiership season, but then has kicked on and improved again. You can tell when certain players work at their game and certain ones don't. He could be a bit moody but not in an arrogant way. I think he's a bit shy underneath his sometimes brash exterior. Haha, this doesn't surprise me. Me and my dad have always laughed at how miserable he looked when we were getting promoted!
Fox92 Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Yeh Huth wasn't going to orchestrate attacks and score goals though was he? The real leader on the pitch was Esteban and he was hugely influential in our survival. I don't think we'd have stayed up without him, for his mentality as much as anything. He bossed that West Ham game and that was the turning point. He believed (remember his interview before that?) and then other players started to believe. It wasn't a one man show but he was crucial. Doesn't matter about scoring goals, I'm talking about being influential. Beckenbauer and Moore were very influential but they didn't score too many goals. I never said Cambiasso wasn't an influence but the post I quoted reads "without Cambiasso we'd be in the Championship" which isn't true. And as I said, Huth has played a big part in Morgan getting better and better. I'm not underestimating both players but Huth is/was just as crucial as Cambiasso.
ScouseFox Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Says you? Anyway, I loved cambiasso, why can't be glad we had him last season and enjoy this season without him? because of bellends like fif
Corky Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 He could be a bit moody but not in an arrogant way. I think he's a bit shy underneath his sometimes brash exterior. He looks a lot happier this season.
HoustonFox Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 I'm really happy that he, and the team, are playing so well. Yes, he has improved, I think fitness and strengthwise especially and this has added a new dimension to his game. Let's also look at the patterns. He signed from Barnsley after being the architect of destroying us at the KP with us. He then had an ok rest of season. His next full season was ok but not spectacular but he finished it strong (we all remember the cupping of ears celebration). Our promotion season he was immense in the middle. We all thought then that he would reproduce it last season (our first in the Prem) but he didn't quite get there til the end. This season he has been immense. I think he is a very intelligent player and worked on his flaws (dynamism) which came on this season, especially given the opportunity. He also seems a very confidence player and this season he's grown. Fair play to the lad and having the whole team around him has made him and everyone else better.
fuchsntf Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 This thread....ran out of control.So DD wanted to leave, sowhat. My wife, my kids, the cat all threaten to leave me occasionally, even the Goldfish jump out the pond.
st albans fox Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 He could be a bit moody but not in an arrogant way. I think he's a bit shy underneath his sometimes brash exterior. there is no secret here. DD is a confidence player. pearson had made that public. if we go on a poorish run and DD isn't playing well, I would expect him to need replacing. he has been like that since hes been here. when he is good he is very good. once he loses his form, its tough for him to get it back. he doesn't have JV's swagger though even he suffered in his first season in the championship. perhaps Claudio's biggest achievement since he arrived is convincing those that need to be convinced that they really do deserve to be up there. would an England cap do DD good? you would assume that it would give him even more confidence. but the way that vardy has been shoved to the side within the set up makes me wonder if it might set DD's self belief back a bit. vardy's first touch and distribution has really improved this campaign. again confidence.
MPH Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 he used to be dating my friends sister, and are still good friends. He and Pearson did not see eye to eye at times. Shocked to hear this....
Samilktray Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 Nige in not getting on with big name player shocker
DJ Barry Hammond Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 I think Pearson changed the team too much last season. I know it's easier to pick a settled team when you're top of the league, but take Drinkwater as an example. He played 23 league games last season and has currently played 21... Same applies for the likes of Vardy and Mahrez (although Mahrez is understandable at times given his inability to defend). Albrighton played just 18 times last season, too. In fairness to Pearson, wasn't that chopping and changing as a result of our awful run? I felt he had lost his head a bit, lost his own self belief and was desperately searching for an answer... Which he eventually found, but I don't think anyone could castrait him on that given it was a completely new scenario for him and given his inexperience, he was more susceptible to 'outside' thinking of what you must do in the Premiership (like squad rotation, etc, etc). I'm sure he'll have learned a bundle from that and will be a formidable manager in time to come because of that. But in spotting this, it also helps identify what Claudio's biggest asset to us in the whole situation - his experience. He knew, given the excellent run we had towards the end of the season, that he couldn't come in and change everything at once, if memory serves me right, he persisted with the 3 at the back during pre-season and there was a lot of chat on here about how that shouldn't change. But his experience probably told him (and performances showed) that we could improve so much more by going to 4 at the back and using our talented players more effectively (Vardy being used as more of a focal point that a winger come striker for example) and so he's gradually brought this into our play and way of thinking. Hell, he may have also been clever enough to bring in a signing such as Benny, who he knew wasn't necessarily good enough, but do so to show the existing players that if they showed what they were truly capable of, he had faith in them? Does that make sense - a kind of fall guy signing, similar to the technique of sacking someone off early on in a managerial position to stamp your authority?
Great Boos Up Posted 4 February 2016 Posted 4 February 2016 He's become a dependable solid rock for us this season allowing other players to advance up field and be more creative.
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