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[Guest Col city fan]

1 minute ago, Jakemoore said:

I think vardy and Musa could work having seen them together today. And i am now 100% certain that Gray should be starting ahead of Albrighton next week! Exciting times ahead! We are an attacking force that will get goals for fun this season! 

Yes I agree..my fear is that we once again start conceding them again.... We gotta shore up the midfield and the defence, quickly.

[MC Prussian]

Lots of empty seats in the lower section, right next to the pitch. Appears to me as if they were either sold for £££ and the posh people just didn't show up or nobody wanted to dish out that amount of money in the first place.

 

Should've allowed more fans in for cheap as the game was nearing kick-off in order to fill the stadium. Shame, really.

[1969]

Haven't watched it back on TV yet but with my dodgy eyesight from the heights of wembley's 5th tier I thought we were the better team for long spells.  Okazaki almost scored twice but continues to fall over too easily. Musa, Gray, Vardy and Mahrez look like a front 4 that will worry any team....even though Riad didn't turn up today. All of them have pace and can beat a player. Vardy looked really sharp. 2 sloppy goals to give away though - Wes dived in unecessarily for the first & was mugged for the second (although I think Fuchs would have prevented the cross if he'd still been on) and I'm not sure who will partner DD at Hull as King's strengths aren't as a defensive midfielder and we haven't really seen the best of Mendy yet.

overall - I think we'll be alright this season!

[CosbehFox]

Better team confirmed by the highlights. 

 

Offside winner and Bailly should have been off. Id be worried if I was a Yanited fan.

[CosbehFox]

2 hours ago, Watson said:

Eric Bailly is a beast of a defender. Class act all game.

He isn't. He's a highlights player. He makes a mistake and has to dig himself out of the crap. Dives in too much. Use his pace to get himself back into position.

 

Suspect the first three months he will get praised and then Sussed. 

[Donut]

Just now, Cardiff_Fox said:

Better team confirmed by the highlights. 

 

Offside winner and Bailly should have been off. Id be worried if I was a Yanited fan.

 

We werent the better team in the first half. That was clear.

 

Man Utd have no worries. Theyre classy and the addition of Pogba will make them one of the favourites, if they arent already.

 

Im happy with the way the players that came on affected the game positively though. Once we started to hassle Man Utd more, we had joy. Musa's directness caused problems, Gray's trickery and pace is a real asset too.

 

Will be interesting to see what Claudio does in central midfield at Hull.

[OriginalRobboFOX]

I can't help but think Albrighton is going to be fazed out. 

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Donut said:

 

We werent the better team in the first half. That was clear.

 

Man Utd have no worries. Theyre classy and the addition of Pogba will make them one of the favourites, if they arent already.

 

Im happy with the way the players that came on affected the game positively though. Once we started to hassle Man Utd more, we had joy. Musa's directness caused problems, Gray's trickery and pace is a real asset too.

 

Will be interesting to see what Claudio does in central midfield at Hull.

Man U will play too slow. They will become Arsenal in attack and get caught out on the wings. Lack a real anchor midfielder. Their passing was all over the place. How many times did we pick the ball up on the halfway line due to sloppy passing? 

 

The first half was evens. We hit the bar and were a whisker away before that. Atrocious defending gave them a goal. Just trip him early into the dribble 

[bridport007]

1 hour ago, foxinsox said:

I think folk are being tough on Morgan. He kept Ibra quiet nearly all the game.

 

King is not the partner for DD that we need. Mendy or Amartey please against Hull and possibly a new CM. I wonder if Mata is for sale!

 

Albrighton had a shocker. Mahrez is doing his best at ending transfer speculation by doing f -all. Schlupp should have been on for Mahrez not Fuchs. He is a winger not a LB. 

 

Musa will miss chances and score some great goals. Gray is going to be a star.

 

 

 

I agree 100% and thought the same about Mate

[ian_marshall]

Great day out despite the result.

 

The one positive that I took out of today was that despite everyone outside of Leicester saying us winning the PL was a fluke and due to poor opposition we gave a United side that many are tipping to win the league a really good run for their money which suggests to me that we'll certainly be up there next season. In fact whilst United were more clinical I thought we edged it over the 90 minutes and created the better opportunities. Unfortunately lady luck just wasn't on our side today.

 

I thought the stand out players today were Drinkwater, Fuchs, Okazaki, Vardy and Gray. All looked raring to go.

 

Sadly I felt Albrighton just wasn't at the races today although in his defence I generally think he's far more effective on the right. Also, I've felt this for a while but Simpson needs to get tighter to his man as he allows the winger or overlapping full back too much space to pick out a cross. Mahrez needs to get his head right. He's an incredible footballer but when he's not on top of his game like today it's very apparent. 

 

As for the new guys I think they need time to bed in and become accustomed to our style of play. Their instinctive play shows that they'll fit the system but they need more time to adapt to their fellow team mates positioning and runs. Mendy in particular is picking up the same positions that Kante would get himself into, but whereas Kante would read the play and burst into the space to intercept the ball, Mendy is sitting back. Whilst I appreciate that their overall games aren't the same I can see Claudio coaching Mendy to improve his reading of the game to step in just after the pass has been made. Likewise with Musa, he's showing that he likes to run into space but at the moment he's not making the right runs that will yield him the best returns.

 

Generally speaking I think we'll have another good season. We've yet to play our best team in any one single game and look like we've got some real strength in depth. I'm certainly looking forward to next week's trip to Hull.

 

Finally and on a lighter note, I thought that it was hilarious watching Schmeichel sprint back towards his goal after coming up for the corner and throw ins. It looked like he was wearing Lead boots. From where I was sat he he could quite easily have been mistaken for Conrad Logan's long lost brother. 

[Sol thewall Bamba]

6 minutes ago, OriginalRobboFOX said:

I can't help but think Albrighton is going to be fazed out. 

Agreed. He does a good job but I think he's going to get left behind looking at the quality we've brought in and DG upping his game.

 

Time will tell...

[Donut]

1 minute ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Man U will play too slow. They will become Arsenal in attack and get caught out on the wings. Lack a real anchor midfielder. Their passing was all over the place. How many times did we pick the ball up on the halfway line due to sloppy passing? 

 

The first half was evens. We hit the bar and were a whisker away before that. Atrocious defending gave them a goal. Just trip him early into the dribble 

 

How many times did we pass the ball abysmally in the first half though? Its a real concern for me.

 

We are obviously built around speed on the counter, pace pace pace, I get that. But id also like to see us exert a measure of control over games too. You obviously cant be too critical of a team that won the league so impressively, but there are times we go back to front too early, and there are times where we need to be more progressive in the first half.

 

As far as Man Utd goes, they spent too much time cruising through the game. I think we could have show a lot more initiative in the first half and really took the game to them with better pressing like we did at the start of the 2nd half. Seemed like in the first half, quite a few players werent pressing or retaining a compact shape, too many seemed to be drifting around quite aimlessly without putting any pressure on the ball.

 

2nd half was a big improvement though.

[MPH]

1 hour ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

 

Things I took from the game;

 

1.) Our Kante replacement could infact be Danny Drinkwater - he was everywhere today and would probably been awarded MOTM had he been on the winning side

2.) Mahrez might benefit from a change of wing. At times today if felt like the cutting inside has become too predictable as he kept running into banks of 2/3/4 defenders. 

3.) Bailey for United appears to be a really good no nonsense defender. Shame we didn't nab him.

4.) Hernandez seems to be an astute piece of business.

5.) Musa + Vardy looked exciting for the first 10 minutes they were partnered together - but a lot more work needs to be done on their link up play to make it a proper threat. 

Shame we didn't nab him? He was like £30 million wasn't he?

[Thracian]

Surprised anyone was happy with today's performance.

 

Somehow we forgot that it was a hot, sticky, day with so many people trying to run with the ball and only succeeding in wiping themselves out in the second half.

 

Today was a day for passing. On the floor and with steady consistency yet we failed lamentably to even pass acceptably let alone with any attitude.

 

Mahrez and Gray were the chief culprits but not the only ones. The former must have lost the ball half a dozen times in risky situations around or just in advance of the halfway line. 

 

It's a schoolboy error. You take people on in the front third of the pitch when you've some chance of a breakthrough and the problems of being dispossessed can be recovered. But at least Mahrez was trying to make something happen.

 

Gray too showed energy and determination but instead of causing a bit of chaos and then slipping a dangerous pass  to a supporting team-mate he just kept trying to do it himself and was inevitibly thwarted.

 

Mourinho gave a masterclass of retaining possession in the second half with his team, passing the ball patiently to draw energy, heart and ideas away from Leicester and standing slightly off the Leicester defenders, limiting their passing options to what became an increasingly static attack and then pouncing on any mistakes to counter including in the easy way they were allowed to cross from our latterly reconstituted left flank for Ibrahimovic's deserved winner.

 

Those mistakes were more pronounced with the absence of Kante and how desperately he was missed because we had no-one cleaning up messes. Not even close. Some would gain possession but mostly they just gave it away again and sometimes quite sloppily.

 

I also wondered why, with Ibrahimovic's being the main threat. we didn't utilise Ulloa earlier, especially as we had no-one even threatening to get on the end of attacking crosses and we couldn't use the standard counter-measures for dealing with the main United striker which would be to have one baulker remaining tight and preventing any free or easy headers with a spare man dealing with anything loose. It was clear we needed Ulloa at both ends on occasions. 

 

Vardy's opportunist goal was a plus point - one chance, one goal is always encouraging - but otherwise, apart from a few neat spells of close and positive passing in the first half we were way below our best in virtually every department. Today our team, our tactics and our set pieces were disappointing.   ..   

 

           

 

  

[CosbehFox]

Just now, Donut said:

 

How many times did we pass the ball abysmally in the first half though? Its a real concern for me.

 

We are obviously built around speed on the counter, pace pace pace, I get that. But id also like to see us exert a measure of control over games too. You obviously cant be too critical of a team that won the league so impressively, but there are times we go back to front too early, and there are times where we need to be more progressive in the first half.

 

As far as Man Utd goes, they spent too much time cruising through the game. I think we could have show a lot more initiative in the first half and really took the game to them with better pressing like we did at the start of the 2nd half. Seemed like in the first half, quite a few players werent pressing or retaining a compact shape, too many seemed to be drifting around quite aimlessly without putting any pressure on the ball.

 

2nd half was a big improvement though.

I didn't mention our passing which has been hit and miss at the level for a long time and only really Fuchs is decent playing from the back. But we have the ability to win 'the second ball' due to pace and hard work. I like to think the signings of Hernandez and Mendy are players with ability on the ball and as time progresses, this is to be phased in. 

 

My point was about United's passing is this is a team set up to play possession football. And you compare to it likely title rivals, they aren't anywhere as near as good as others. We won the ball so many times as they gave it away. Our possession figures were way higher than normal, more shots, more corners. We certainly won't get that off others in the 'Big six' 

[TJB-fox]

Just got back.

Have to say I'm very pleased by a thoroughly promising performance, wanted to win but not fussed about the result.

Vardy Musa Fuchs all decent for me, although Vardy (along with a few others) was definitely slightly off the pace match fitness wise.

Think the subs contributed to the second goal, wanted to see Jeff on...but not in at left back. Not blaming him at all but I reckon Fuchs would've blocked Valencia's cross. Hernandez looked assured again. Kingy was ok I thought, bit harsh some people criticising him heavily I think.

Shinji by the way was good really feel like he could have a terrific season for us after settling in last year. 

Today will have done the lads the world of good in terms of preparation because it felt like a competitive game not a friendly. 

Played well and didn't deserve to lose. Promising times.

[foxes21]

we cant play mahrez & gray on the wings at the same time, too attacking.

 

hopefully kaputska can challenge albrighton/schlupp for the left wing position, then gray/mahrez for the right wing

[TJB-fox]

6 minutes ago, Thracian said:

Surprised anyone was happy with today's performance.

 

Somehow we forgot that it was a hot, sticky, day with so many people trying to run with the ball and only succeeding in wiping themselves out in the second half.

 

Today was a day for passing. On the floor and with steady consistency yet we failed lamentably to even pass acceptably let alone with any attitude.

 

Mahrez and Gray were the chief culprits but not the only ones. The former must have lost the ball half a dozen times in risky situations around or just in advance of the halfway line. 

 

It's a schoolboy error. You take people on in the front third of the pitch when you've some chance of a breakthrough and the problems of being dispossessed can be recovered. But at least Mahrez was trying to make something happen.

 

Gray too showed energy and determination but instead of causing a bit of chaos and then slipping a dangerous pass  to a supporting team-mate he just kept trying to do it himself and was inevitibly thwarted.

 

Mourinho gave a masterclass of retaining possession in the second half with his team, passing the ball patiently to draw energy, heart and ideas away from Leicester and standing slightly off the Leicester defenders, limiting their passing options to what became an increasingly static attack and then pouncing on any mistakes to counter including in the easy way they were allowed to cross from our latterly reconstituted left flank for Ibrahimovic's deserved winner.

 

Those mistakes were more pronounced with the absence of Kante and how desperately he was missed because we had no-one cleaning up messes. Not even close. Some would gain possession but mostly they just gave it away again and sometimes quite sloppily.

 

I also wondered why, with Ibrahimovic's being the main threat. we didn't utilise Ulloa earlier, especially as we had no-one even threatening to get on the end of attacking crosses and we couldn't use the standard counter-measures for dealing with the main United striker which would be to have one baulker remaining tight and preventing any free or easy headers with a spare man dealing with anything loose. It was clear we needed Ulloa at both ends on occasions. 

 

Vardy's opportunist goal was a plus point - one chance, one goal is always encouraging - but otherwise, apart from a few neat spells of close and positive passing in the first half we were way below our best in virtually every department. Today our team, our tactics and our set pieces were disappointing.   ..   

 

           

 

  

Think you're A) looking too much into this- it's a glorified friendly B) giving Jose way too credit. We slowed down after scoring, they didn't step it up. C) being very harsh. 

As suprised you are if anyone was 'pleased' with today's game I'm suprised if anyone has come away dispondant and anxious.

[filbertstreet]

14 minutes ago, ian_marshall said:

and on a lighter note, I thought that it was hilarious watching Schmeichel sprint back towards his goal after coming up for the corner and throw ins. It looked like he was wearing Lead boots. From where I was sat he he could quite easily have been mistaken for Conrad Logan's long lost brother. 

totally agree with everything, but Kasper in the last 5 minutes was hilarious, fair play to Zlatan as well not taking a shot at the open goal

[foxinsox]

Just now, filbertstreet said:

totally agree with everything, but Kasper in the last 5 minutes was hilarious, fair play to Zlatan as well not taking a shot at the open goal

De Gea held onto it so that Kasper could get back.

 

Defence really needs work. Amartey in midfield for me.

[LinekersApples]

Reviews of my day:

 

My parking space was good.

 

Fun in the fanzone.

 

I did a shit in the stadium, which I would never have even attempted at old Wembley.

 

Drinkwater showed some class, but clearly needs support. Someone like, say, a Kante type.

 

Musa & Vardy both making good runs (could see from my 300 foot vantage point) and not taking each others space as I had feared.

 

Gray shaping up nicely. 

 

Leaving Wembley by car is as awful as od been told. 

 

Reality checks throughout that made me smile. We are champions of England. We are in Champions League man. 

 

Some positives. Some negatives. 7/10

[HankMarvin]

Simpson looks a bit shit lately maybe buying Hernandez has unsettled him.

He was solid towards the end of last year.

 

Andy King should be an impact sub only, to much of a luxury at this level.

[EGBFitness]

I know it was a hot day but I was expecting abit more intensity from both teams, seemed like a pre season friendly game rather than an opportunity to win a cup/shield  

 

fairly happy with the performance, felt we drifted in and out the game - we had some moments that shown what to look forward to this season. Felt like we sat off United way too much and shown them too much respect (we seem to do this a lot against the so called big teams) but when we was chasing the game we shown no mercy and pressed them well with either a good tackle or forcing the error. 

 

Positive - 

- Gray, really enjoying watching him. Said it before but think he has a big season ahead of him! 

- Drinky, solid shift again! 

- Fuchs, played really well first half and had (I think) Martial in his back pocket

- Second half in general, once again thought our second half performance was a lot better. Definitely upped the tempo and looked the better team. 

 

Concerns/negatives  - 

- Simpson, don't want to sound too critical as I know hard to judge through pre season. Really rate him last season but so far looks very shaky, out of position a few times and some silly tackles. 

- Mahrez, can't think of anything he really done today. Very wasteful and slightly disappointing. 

- King, did he play?  

- Fitness, I still think we look off the pace. Are we changing our style or something? I felt like we haven't quite got that explosive counter attacking style yet like last season. 

- Kante replacement? Few have mentioned it but still undecided. 

 

Really enjoyed Wembley and although was up in the gods still thought had a good view of the game. Definitely better than old Wembley! Hope it's not another 16 year wait till we go again. 

 

Edit - what was with our tactics first half? 

1. We seemed to want to allow their wingers to run at us. 

2. Shinji v. Fellani in the air!? How many times did we play the long ball and lost it. He was never going to win the battle. 

 

Last bit bit of moaning  Lingaards goal should never of gone in. Very poor defending there. 

[dayday]

I just wonder whether the last week has took its toll, from America to Sweden to England.

 

As for the game, we was well on top until they got that gift of a goal.

 

Second half was very disappointing , we looked very disjointed bar the odd glimpse of quality.

 

Would like to see Amartey given a go in midfield, has really impressed in the friendlies and looks like a real athlete.

 

Got to have Mahrez,Vardy,Gray and Musa starting that would give defences nightmares when it gels together.

 

So on the whole a lot of positives can be taken on board 

 

[lgfualol]

1 hour ago, OriginalRobboFOX said:

I can't help but think Albrighton is going to be fazed out. 

Maybe. He looked unfit and maybe had a few too many hotdogs this Summer, weird considering he one of the the first to start pre-season training. He looked slower to me and was caught on the ball a lot which I'm not used to seeing with him, I think his corners were excelllent but his crossing from free play never seemed to make it past the first guy. 

 

I think because he doesn't score a lot, I could see Ranieri giving Gray, Schlupp and Kapustka more time on that wing next season.