Uniforms & Schools

[Guest]

What do people think of the annual news stories that make the news about incorrect uniforms

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3777409/School-gates-stand-father-one-fifty-pupils-sent-home-weren-t-wearing-right-school-uniform-vows-daughter-dress-today.html

 

is the most recent example.

 

Personally I think parents are in the wrong, if I was at work and not wearing what I should I would be sent home, I have seen occasions at my previous employer of people being sent home without pay. Parents need to stick to the rules and so do kids. It's good for them

[Fox92]

I've not read anything, just heard on BBC news. The Gestapo comment seems to be over the top but I wouldn't like to think girls are walking home in short skirts - if you know what I'm getting at.

 

But school seems have changed a hell of a lot even since I left back in 2008. They seem to be these 'academies' these days - the buildings don't even look like schools. Think there has to be a balance, it has to be enjoyable too. 

[kingcarr21]

6 minutes ago, Shaneb said:

What do people think of the annual news stories that make the news about incorrect uniforms

 

http://www.dailymail.co.uk/news/article-3777409/School-gates-stand-father-one-fifty-pupils-sent-home-weren-t-wearing-right-school-uniform-vows-daughter-dress-today.html

 

is the most recent example.

 

Personally I think parents are in the wrong, if I was at work and not wearing what I should I would be sent home, I have seen occasions at my previous employer of people being sent home without pay. Parents need to stick to the rules and so do kids. It's good for them

Yes the parents should follow the rules but this is going a little too far from the school. Bit pathetic to send the girl home because of those shoes having a brown line on what is clearly a black shoe. Clearly making an example out of her which has now done more harm than good on his and the schools reputation.

 

The father is a bit daft though to be using terms like 'Gestapo'. Also no sympathy to him if she was sent home the day before for not having the Blazer. Surely at that point you would go through the uniform to make sure it was exactly as the school wanted. 

 

Errors on both sides imo. Could quite easily have let her into school and informed her parents that her footwear wasn't to the standard and give them like a week or something to get the correct footwear. 

[Footballwipe]

I only ever wore uniform for three of my school years, both primary and 14-18 were wear what you like, Secondary was uniform though.

 

The only thing I hate is schools who have a monopoly on the uniform, both PE kit and general. If they insist on the logo make it available as a sew on, rather than sending it out for £30-40 blazers.

 

Other than that, wear your uniform. People seem to want to purposefully rebel. If schools have freedom of choice in terms of where you buy it from there has never been so many outlets and places now, it's like a constant price war for the cheapest uniform. The parents go and do this because their little darlings can do no wrong. As the partner of a teacher the stories about idiotic parents is so frustrating. If it's not uniform it's moaning about the set they've been put in.

 

Especially when we're talking about teenagers, these people are supposed to be entering the world of work within a few years. When they work in a place with set uniform they will get much shorter shrift if they flout it, which of course they wouldn't dare.

[Julian Joachim Jr Shabadoo]

Kids will always try to get away with wearing black trainers (etc), and some parents will turn a blind eye. Seems a bit of a non-story

 

16 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Think there has to be a balance, it has to be enjoyable too. 

School is there to give kids an education, schools have no responsibility to making sure kids have fun - that should come naturally from having friends (and blocking the toilets / bringing in fireworks / making fun out of the weirdo / throwing food out the school bus window / skiving / getting to second base etc)

[Guest Sharpe's Fox]

I never went to a school with a blazer and tie was just polo shirt, trousers and black shoes for me and a jumper with a logo on. Don't see the point of it to be honest every lunch time we would go out and play footy or trackers or something and get grass stains and stuff it was great. Parents shouldn't have to fork out hundreds of quid for a uniform that might get ruined anyway.

[Leicesterpool]

When I was young I didn't mind wearing the full school uniform, in fact I was very sad when dropped the ties at my school for polo shirts. Anyway my verdict on this is, why do they always send kids home if they get there uniform wrong, why can't they just say "come in the right uniform tomorrow". Also as Sharpey said still don't get why parents have to pay for uniforms.

[davieG]

My first day at secondary school the badge was ripped off my blazer and my cap, compulsory for 1st year intake was stolen and last seen being used as a frisbee 

 

Well it was known as a prep school for borstal boys.

[Guest]

I used to live in hand me downs, so I was ok for uniform even if I did have stuff that was too big.

 

Although I did go to schools without uniforms also and there was a constant divide between people having clothes that were falling apart to people having new trainers and stuff everyweek, which I am in favour of eliminating. 

 

I am not a fan of it costing through the earth to buy though, it should be cheap and affordable to all.

[Samilktray]

Man going up to year 10 at Wreake Valley and not having to wear uniform was the dream from about year 6 onwards. That's been cruelly taken away from these kids of today. 

[Rob1742]

Old fashioned, none of the kids want to wear it. Let them wear what they like (within reason) and let them gain their own identity.

 

Not sure a uniform for school has ever had a positive affect on any individual. 

[Finnaldo]

Used to have the standard plain light blue shirt, tie, jumper with the school badge and grey trousers, with just a polo in the summer.

 

My brother just started the same secondary school I finished 5 years ago, but rather than a 11-14 secondary school it's an 11-16 academy now like a lot of the schools around Hinckley. He's got to have a full on blazer with piping and the lot, costs about double what my uniform did.

 

It's not just the uniform either, the bus I used to get (pretty much the exact same bus as well) has gone from the £300 a year when I was there to up to about £800 a year. Hard for my Mum/Stepdad to afford so they have to take him and that's a strain on them in the morning with work and that. He's missing out too, some of the best memories of being a little sh!t was being a little sh!t on the bus. Bloody Tories 

 

 

[pSinatra]

There's bugger all wrong with that girl's uniform.  I can understand schools wanting all the kids wearing more or less the same stuff, but you can tell from the photo she's no trouble. She's not some scrag end, plastered in make up & getting picked up by Wayne in his XR3.

 

Kids will want to rebel but she's no rebel.

 

At my school, some people had black blazers some had navy.  There were 2 types of tie, almost the same, but different.  Any colour shirt you liked, any colour trousers.  We all looked like a bag of shit.

[Captain...]

Seems over the top and setting a bad example for kids, people are allowed to make mistakes and should be given time to correct them not instantly punished. He should have passed comment on each student's insatisfactory uniform and given parents until next week to get it resolved. Surely you can't just send kids home what if nobody was in? 

[Christoph]

1 hour ago, Rob1742 said:

Old fashioned, none of the kids want to wear it. Let them wear what they like (within reason) and let them gain their own identity.

 

Not sure a uniform for school has ever had a positive affect on any individual. 

What about not being bullied for not having the latest brands? I can remember people taking the piss out of the poor kids who would wear two strip joggers to p.e. and hitech trainers. 

 

As a teacher, I think uniform benefits children. People have to realise how bad bullying is in UK schools and making people wear the same clothes gets rid of one aspect of it. 

 

As for the article, the headteacher was probably being a bit hot headed in my opinion. He could have sent the kids to isolation for the day or give them school plimsolls to wear instead. Not sure the whole shirt and tie thing is that important though as someone else mentioned, white polo and black bottoms is good enough in my eyes. 

[theessexfox]

11-14 secondary school is well weird

[Dr The Singh]

I never went to or needed to go school, I was born with the Intelligence I have!!

[Izzy]

3 hours ago, Christoph said:

What about not being bullied for not having the latest brands? I can remember people taking the piss out of the poor kids who would wear two strip joggers to p.e. and hitech trainers. 

That was me 

I remember my first day at secondary school in the early 80's and all the cool kids were wearing Farah trousers while I had cheap Asda ones on. I pleaded all year with my Mum to buy me some Farah's for the next school year. She eventually caved in and I turned up on day one the next year the proud owner of a new pair of Farah's. To notice that all the cool kids were now wearing Chinos so once again I had the piss ripped out of me. I've always been a year behind the latest trends ever since 

[foxoffderby]

First day at school today at for my 11 year old. Went well he looked great with his Mahrez haircut. 1 boy we knew of was told his shoes looked more like trainers and would have to change them in the next few days.

[Vlad the Fox]

2 hours ago, Izzy Muzzett said:

That was me 

I remember my first day at secondary school in the early 80's and all the cool kids were wearing Farah trousers while I had cheap Asda ones on. I pleaded all year with my Mum to buy me some Farah's for the next school year. She eventually caved in and I turned up on day one the next year the proud owner of a new pair of Farah's. To notice that all the cool kids were now wearing Chinos so once again I had the piss ripped out of me. I've always been a year behind the latest trends ever since 

 Brilliant, I remember those days well. I had the same problem with the farahs though got in the chinos early, and a nice Paisley shirt. If I rember rightly farahs used to be about £40, or really expensive at least, you'll pick a pair up off the back of a Sunday magazine now for about a tenner. I bet there's an old MD somewhere sitting in his office looking at a sepia sales chart wondering where it all went wrong.

 

[Rob1742]

14 hours ago, Christoph said:

What about not being bullied for not having the latest brands? I can remember people taking the piss out of the poor kids who would wear two strip joggers to p.e. and hitech trainers. 

 

As a teacher, I think uniform benefits children. People have to realise how bad bullying is in UK schools and making people wear the same clothes gets rid of one aspect of it. 

 

As for the article, the headteacher was probably being a bit hot headed in my opinion. He could have sent the kids to isolation for the day or give them school plimsolls to wear instead. Not sure the whole shirt and tie thing is that important though as someone else mentioned, white polo and black bottoms is good enough in my eyes. 

I understand your point, it's a tricky one. School should be enjoyable, and if you put something on at the beginning of the day that you don't want too, can set the mindset for the day ahead.

 

If a uniform atall, then just school sweatshirts etc, that allow the kids to create their own identity and want them to put their clothes for school on in the morning. 

 

Not sure though that uniform stops the bullying. The bully's can spot a weakness with people and will target individuals whatever they wear. However, I suppose it can help for a while. 

[Vacamion]

 

People who say trackies and trainers are acceptable schoolwear for anyone other than a PE teacher are probably the same people who think it's acceptable to turn up for job interviews at my work 3 minutes late, with visible tattoos and metal in their face.

 

 

 

 

 

 

[foxy boxing]

i think children need discipline and wearing the uniform correctly is part of that, it shows respect to the place that is teaching you and shows that you need to be smart and presentable in the workplace

[Guest CityFan 06]

I think smart wear is ok, black etc. But the most important aspect for me, in my opinion, is kids/students wearing clothing that they feel comfortable in.

 

Smart wear is ok like I said, set that as a rule but let kids choose what smart clothing they would like to wear. If the students go to school in clothing they are content with, they as more likely to be focused on learning as opposed to what other people think of them based on appearance. 

They do not need the stress of appearance as well as exams, lessons, homework etc. 

 

I do get schools are always trying to do the right thing though.

[Merging Cultures]

I am not sure the school provided specific enough instructions, and if they have a very limited criteria for what the children should wear then they should sell it directly to the parents, otherwise there will always be variation and difficulty with conforming. 

 

To be honest, I didn't see anything wrong with the black suede shoes, they looked plain enough and suede is leather. If the issue was the brown sole, then I think it is a bit petty as it was hardly noticeable, it isn't going to cause kids to not be able to study. 

 

Some of the comments on the DM are ridiculous, for both sides. Very sad.