ARTY_FOX Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 2 minutes ago, Koke said: Yeah he's a **** as a bloke. He's a great player for us though. Lets separate the man from the player. Saying he's a **** as a bloke is a little OTT...
urban.spaceman Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 I honestly can't remember the last time I enjoyed watching England play.
Webbo Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 Crap second half but comfortable enough. I can't believe some people actually thought Malta had a chance.
surrifox Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 The fraudsters get to win another International cap
Larry_LCFC Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 Utterly, utterly boring. Nobody wants to make a mistake so pass it backwards instead. Everyone is too keen to make themselves look individually good and it makes us shit as a team. Horrendous to watch.
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 24 minutes ago, Larry_LCFC said: Utterly, utterly boring. Nobody wants to make a mistake so pass it backwards instead. Everyone is too keen to make themselves look individually good and it makes us shit as a team. Horrendous to watch. As I said earlier, look at the possession stats in relation to goals scored. We pass sideways an incredible amount of times. A quick, incisive side, playing against Malta tonight, could have scored 6 or 7
purpleronnie Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 I'm still amazed at the confidence some people have in the England team (perhaps not on here though), the amount of people thinking we'd win 5-0 or 6-0 etc.. I had £20 on 3.5 goals or less at around 4/1. Malta were going to park the bus and we are known for our lack of skill in breaking down defenses.....although at HT I thought my bet would lose.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 1 hour ago, Koke said: It's funny how Cleverly stopped getting picked the moment he left Manchester United. Someone on twitter said if Lingard came through at a mid table PL club he'd be checking his ancestry for any Scottish or Irish roots. True.
Webbo Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 10 minutes ago, Col city fan said: As I said earlier, look at the possession stats in relation to goals scored. We pass sideways an incredible amount of times. A quick, incisive side, playing against Malta tonight, could have scored 6 or 7 They had 5 across the back and 4 in midfield, it was never going to be easy to take them apart. Add the 3 or 4 really good saves their keeper made, we weren't bad.
Wymsey Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 Some newspaper undercover reporter should go to one of England's main sponsors and ask how much influence they have on team selection, to clean this all up.
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 18 minutes ago, Webbo said: They had 5 across the back and 4 in midfield, it was never going to be easy to take them apart. Add the 3 or 4 really good saves their keeper made, we weren't bad. The much maligned Glenn Hoddle (why do people on this forum get so wound up by commentators?) made a great point about half way through the first half. This excuse of being unable to really break down stubborn sides in competitive games has been used for months. This argument of the underdog getting 11 men behind the ball type thing. Hoddle said that how we play enables opposition sides to do this as much as they want to. It was apparent in the Euros, against sides likes Russia and this is why I said we didn't look any different tonight than we did under Hodgson. Hoddle suggested a different style of play. LESS possession....enabling the team we are playing to come onto us more, thus leaving more space in behind to hit on the counter. I think he said we have a team made for the counter attack. I agree. If we don't change our style of play, we'll cruise through the group pretty much until we do exactly the same at tournaments.
foxes21 Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 a dab cam? jesus we are a joke the whole set up stinks, the fa picking the team, not picking in form players, bias to big club players, passing sideways against malta. Also if u don't have a big sponsor like head and shoulders chances are you won't be picked
daddylonglegs Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 People on twitter are giving that england team SO much credit. We just beat MALTA by TWO goals. That, I'm afraid - is utterly pathetic. The fact that Jordan Henderson - someone who sits in front of the back 4 - gets man of the match against a team that poor... says everything you need to know about English football.
Jattdogg Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 2 hours ago, Col city fan said: Just watching the in-game stats on Bet 365..... tell you all you need to know. Just now, we'd had 76 'dangerous attacks' in the game, as opposed to Malta's 3. That means we'd been going forward in the opponents half 76 times compared to Malta's 3. And yet we've scored twice.......... Conclusions: an awful lot of possession, getting into the opponents half time and time again...,with amazingly little penetration. Lots of sideways movement, some shots but such little incision. Reading that sounded like a right cock block situation
Webbo Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: The much maligned Glenn Hoddle (why do people on this forum get so wound up by commentators?) made a great point about half way through the first half. This excuse of being unable to really break down stubborn sides in competitive games has been used for months. This argument of the underdog getting 11 men behind the ball type thing. Hoddle said that how we play enables opposition sides to do this as much as they want to. It was apparent in the Euros, against sides likes Russia and this is why I said we didn't look any different tonight than we did under Hodgson. Hoddle suggested a different style of play. LESS possession....enabling the team we are playing to come onto us more, thus leaving more space in behind to hit on the counter. I think he said we have a team made for the counter attack. I agree. If we don't change our style of play, we'll cruise through the group pretty much until we do exactly the same at tournaments. There were times when we could have got it forward quicker, it wasn't perfect but got the ball wide and stretched them at times It was a fair display..
yorkie1999 Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 I don't think we'll win our group, in fact I don't think we'll even beat Scotland.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 3 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: I don't think we'll win our group, in fact I don't think we'll even beat Scotland. Really... i think completely the opposite
Guest Col city fan Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 7 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said: I don't think we'll win our group, in fact I don't think we'll even beat Scotland. We'll breeze the group. That's not the issue though is it. It's when we come up against anyone any good.
Izzy Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 1 minute ago, Col city fan said: We'll breeze the group. That's not the issue though is it. It's when we come up against anyone any good. It'll be ok this time though. Because when we qualify for the World Cup, we'll have a man in charge in Southgate who's delivered under pressure in big tournaments when it really matters
Guest ttfn Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 1 hour ago, Col city fan said: The much maligned Glenn Hoddle (why do people on this forum get so wound up by commentators?) made a great point about half way through the first half. This excuse of being unable to really break down stubborn sides in competitive games has been used for months. This argument of the underdog getting 11 men behind the ball type thing. Hoddle said that how we play enables opposition sides to do this as much as they want to. It was apparent in the Euros, against sides likes Russia and this is why I said we didn't look any different tonight than we did under Hodgson. Hoddle suggested a different style of play. LESS possession....enabling the team we are playing to come onto us more, thus leaving more space in behind to hit on the counter. I think he said we have a team made for the counter attack. I agree. If we don't change our style of play, we'll cruise through the group pretty much until we do exactly the same at tournaments. And yet Hoddle was waxing lyrical about the performance against Russia during that game.
fuchsntf Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 Second half just confirmed English players problem over the last 40+yrs. We have players, when at their clubs, can be confident and will drive forward, and will take on and attack either player or players, or that space around and through the defence. When in senior England shirts, there is really a mental block, after an attempt on making positive move fails. Lingard, Sturridge, Walcott and Rose tonight, suddenly kept laying the ball off everytime, instead of going on a run, like they would do for their clubs 6-9+ times in a game, even after being stopped a couple of times. We have 3 players in our set up, who try everytime to break through those walls... Lallana, Wilshere and Ali, but very few of their teammates are making runs with or for them. Vardy would be another one, but hasnt as yet had decent game time. Rashford has not yet been disheartened, he still takes defences on. It seems Rooney has lost his close play skills. like Iceland, todays 2nd half, nobody attacked the oppos backmen on their own initiative.. when we put crosses in, nobody picked up that space just around the edge of the penalty area, There were red shirts everywhere, but no white shirts like Rooney, Henderson etc even attacking English defenders, who could of took turns against Malta to stay higher up the field. We seem to be always looking for the killer pass, instead of pushing forward..we take 1-2 kicks too many. Spur and Arsenal players are always seen everyweek 90mins long , not just playing quick 1-2-3s,but have for example, Walcott drive, dribble and attack space and player everytime .We should drive that momentum not wait for it, to be a coincidence. Then we have too many passes, that are played too heavy, just when we are applying pressure... Why are we spending millions on sideline coaches, who cant coach the players how to weight passes, and show them how to change patterns of play. We have 80k fans who can support England, we dont need coaches who only do the same. We h ad 15 opportunities to play in players making cutting runs, we played that splicing ball 2 maybe 3 times, the other times we played safe, sideward passes, missing the moment. It seems we are so scared of continually trying to knock at the door until it breaks. We had so much possesion, we should of had a plan of Walcott, then Lingard, then Sturridge, alternatively continually making those runs. It should of been the major part of Plan A, too me it seemed the players, kept forgetting what they should be doing..
Phube Posted 8 October 2016 Posted 8 October 2016 Are there any other England strikers who have been accommodated into midfield in their old age for no reason? Because I can't think of any???
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