Benji Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 It is all very odd. I've never understood for example why we have such a big thing for Hillsborough and yet you have events like the Bradford fire where over 50 people died and you hear absolutely nothing about it. It's completely fan driven and it says a lot that if you ask people who Liverpool were playing at Hillsborough quite a few would guess Sheff Wed not Forest. I understand people personally affected by big life events do what they can to celebrate or remember life rather than grieve it, but it's getting a bit too much "reality TV world".
Webbo Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 It's not just football though is it? The whole country is full of fake sentimentality and ostentatious grief. It's been like that since Princess Di died.
Harry - LCFC Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 That's a well written piece. He's managed to offer his criticism in a way that isn't insensitive or vindictive. I agree that this has become a bit of a craze, it seems as if it's done not only to remember someone who has passed away but for other reasons too. For example, you'll regularly see comments like "great gesture" on this website and elsewhere in response to these commemorations. I imagine that's subconsciously on people's minds when they organise these things, knowing it'll be looked upon favourably by their peers.
Jimothy Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 6 hours ago, Voll Blau said: Hard not to agree with this... https://sports.vice.com/en_uk/article/has-football-developed-an-unhealthy-obsession-with-grief Why is Matic touching Alonso's arse?
stripeyfox Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 Good article. It's a tough one. Some of the tributes (probably all of them) are with some merit of course. And each one is a tragedy for the person involved. But it does seem like it has gone a little bit too mawkish. When I'm asked to applaud because someone I've never heard of has died, then I'm torn - I'm sad for that person (generally speaking) and if I met a relative I'd pass on my condolences, but you wonder who the minute's applause is for? But then again, if it makes the family of the deceased feel better, then all good - right? The Sunderland kid with cancer - no one could deny him the fuss that has been made of him. I have children of my own that age and my wife works with children with cancer - there but for the grace of God go us all (and I'm not even religious) but he is far from the only child with the condition. There are kids like him in every city hospital in the country. But something about Bradley's story gains traction and next thing he's having a kickabout with Diego Costa et al. I don't deny it to the kid, of course - but on the wider point, certain "tributes" gain traction where others don't. The Newcastle fans who died on the MH17 flight for example? How long are they going to continue to applaud them? What about the other 296 poor buggers on that flight? A genuine stadium minute's silence can be a powerful thing - but the new trend for minute's applause for any random supporter is crazy - as is the catch all "this is for all Villa fans who died in 2016". If I die, you have my permission to chant "Stripeyfox - what a willy puller, what a willy puller" for a minute (you can choose)
CosbehFox Posted 25 January 2017 Posted 25 January 2017 6 hours ago, MattP said: I actually thought the one for Birch was ridiculous, he's a legend of course, but he was stable in hospital, not dead. Yep, I agree completely. I can honestly stay if something happened to me, I and my family wouldn't want any kind of tribute.
foxy boxing Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 every time someone dies now everyone has to mention how sad it was and how great they were and it is so heartbreaking. grief is personal and should be left that way not put out their so everyone can make a comment. yes we should so solidarity with the people who have lost someone but we shouldn't be going over the top and it always seems sport particularly football has to show to be doing something but not any other institutions.i am always sad when someone dies but death is a part of life and if i don't know the person, if i have just seen them on t.v or something i feel very uncomfortable about giving fake sentiment just for giving sentiment.yes i am sad for their families but it is for their families to grieve to anyone else
stripeyfox Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 You see it in other areas of football too. Frank Lampard used to salute the sky "in honour of his dead mum" every time he scored a goal. That is overly mawkish to me, to do so in a very public environment. I get that he may still have been sad about it but a parent dying, whilst very sad, is not exactly an unusual occurance. In fact in the normal scheme of things, ones parents dying is just part of getting older. You don't catch me walking round the office pointing at the sky about my dead mum every time I win an order!
Jimothy Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 19 minutes ago, stripeyfox said: You see it in other areas of football too. Frank Lampard used to salute the sky "in honour of his dead mum" every time he scored a goal. That is overly mawkish to me, to do so in a very public environment. I get that he may still have been sad about it but a parent dying, whilst very sad, is not exactly an unusual occurance. In fact in the normal scheme of things, ones parents dying is just part of getting older. You don't catch me walking round the office pointing at the sky about my dead mum every time I win an order! It went on for ages too. Wasn't just for the next month or so after her passing, he was doing it for years. It's upsetting to lose a parent, but it happens to pretty much everyone, so to show grief in such a public way for so long said to me it had moved from sentimentality to doing it for show.
Koke Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 18 hours ago, Webbo said: It's not just football though is it? The whole country is full of fake sentimentality and ostentatious grief. It's been like that since Princess Di died. I agree with this. It's not just a British thing though. It's a world wide modern day phenomenon. People are getting knee deep into sentimentality, outrage culture and grief industry. Likewise I've never understood why people get their knickers in twist when footballers don't sing the national anthem - the outrage culture. As if Rooney loves his country less than Tony Adams do. Even worse in America where they go absolutely mental over meaningless garbage like their flag and national anthem. Social media is practically Daily Mail on steroids.
RonnieTodger Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 It is largely attention seeking and wanting to look like you're a great person. There's a blurred line which was summed up for me when we had a minutes applause for the King of Thailand and nothing for Marton Fulop. I don't mind things before the game, but the X minute's applause needs binning really.
Koke Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 3 hours ago, stripeyfox said: You see it in other areas of football too. Frank Lampard used to salute the sky "in honour of his dead mum" every time he scored a goal. That is overly mawkish to me, to do so in a very public environment. I get that he may still have been sad about it but a parent dying, whilst very sad, is not exactly an unusual occurance. In fact in the normal scheme of things, ones parents dying is just part of getting older. You don't catch me walking round the office pointing at the sky about my dead mum every time I win an order! Footballers and religion is kind of cringey to me. Like when players do the sign of the cross when they score or they bow down and kiss the turf.
Trav Le Bleu Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 On 25/01/2017 at 13:32, AKCJ said: Everyone is so desperate for internet likes and points. It's a shame. "look at us, look at us". It's like the "clap on the 27th minute because this player has a bad illness and he scored his first goal for us in the 27th minute back in 1967". nah. Have an ironic +1.
Jimothy Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 On 25/01/2017 at 13:32, AKCJ said: Everyone is so desperate for internet likes and points. It's a shame. "look at us, look at us". It's like the "clap on the 27th minute because this player has a bad illness and he scored his first goal for us in the 27th minute back in 1967". nah. If it was Newcastle they'd probably clap in the 19th and 67th minutes too.
leicesterlad1989 Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 The minutes applause for the King of Thailand's death summed it up for me. For the Thai people I am sure and pretty certain it was a big deal but it shouldn't be forced upon others. *To make things that extra awkward, the away team (forget the fixture) also had to participate! I fully expect a minutes applause for rumoured resurrection of Jesus during the Easter fixtures or perhaps a minutes applause for his birth during the Boxing Day fixtures. It's a shame that people can't keep quiet for the remembrance day minute / two minute silence and we have since had to resort to an applause. Events and occasions like that SHOULD be remembered in my eyes. They have had a bearing upon my life and they way we live now.
Dan Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 On 1/25/2017 at 14:11, Voll Blau said: Good gallery here. http://www.whoateallthepies.tv/photos/179568/when-football-mascots-observe-the-minutes-silences-photos.html Probably should tag it as NSFW as some of them actually make me piss. That's the most I've laughed in ages. Actually howling.
Super_horns Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 Our Harry got some stick when he was part of the minute's silence after the French terrorist attacks in 2015! I think the issue is some people feel if they don't applaud somebody/people now they might get "offended" or "left out". Its a bit sad we can never seem to be trusted to be quiet for one minute (although Graham Taylor's family did request a minutes applause)
Stadt Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 The likes of the shit football banter twitter accounts jump onto the latest fads and bandwagons for publicity, "great gesture" wars and grief porn to gain followers is hideously disingenuous and sums up the constant approval seeking social media has brought to society
Dan Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 Quite refreshing reading this thread really. It's not to be harsh on anyone - it's to protect the validity of such occasions.
Mike Oxlong Posted 26 January 2017 Posted 26 January 2017 The match officials are highly disrespectful of the minutes applause/silence. Last one I was at the ref kept looking at his watch.
adam Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 17 hours ago, leicesterlad1989 said: The minutes applause for the King of Thailand's death summed it up for me. For the Thai people I am sure and pretty certain it was a big deal but it shouldn't be forced upon others. *To make things that extra awkward, the away team (forget the fixture) also had to participate! I fully expect a minutes applause for rumoured resurrection of Jesus during the Easter fixtures or perhaps a minutes applause for his birth during the Boxing Day fixtures. It's a shame that people can't keep quiet for the remembrance day minute / two minute silence and we have since had to resort to an applause. Events and occasions like that SHOULD be remembered in my eyes. They have had a bearing upon my life and they way we live now. Was gonna say the same about the king of Thailand. I'm sure we still have it plastered all over the advertising boards too.
stripeyfox Posted 27 January 2017 Posted 27 January 2017 1 hour ago, adam said: Was gonna say the same about the king of Thailand. I'm sure we still have it plastered all over the advertising boards too. It does seem to be a bit OTT. As said at the time, the death of the King of Thailand is no big deal to me, but if it is important to our owners, then I respecfully take part in the minute's applause. But I don't see the need to have it on the advertising boards every five minutes for the next x months!
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