norwichfox Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 It may give those that want him out and fence sitters (as I am) a short term lift, but there's a lot more to be resolved than Claudio Ranieri. He's only part of the problem and it appears (to me) that the disease is contagious and pre season can't be blamed for "club wide" poor performances. Look at the u18's results, take away the 3 wins in FA youth Cup and we're left with a season comprising 2 wins both of which came in the first 3 games of the season (not counting pre-season friendlies). The u23 Results are almost as dire, 4 wins all season...Grimsby (a) Spurs, Reading and Derby (h). Our transfers in the Summer and January left a great deal to be desired. The common factor in the transfers, u23 and u18's is Jon Rudkin the question must be asked WHY IS HE STILL HERE? does he have some sort of hold over the owners, has he written himself the most protected contract that ever existed. HE MUST GO. Have some of our players not been considered for the first team until February because of an additional cost as part of the transfer deal? (could this be the sort of advice that they are getting from the Finance "partnership" that was formed with a company - I can't recall the name of (maybe another Rudkin "find" there too). It's coming across to me that the players must really hate Claudio (hence all of the paying fans too) What is wrong with our club, playing wise, it seems rotten to the core, and it hurts.
Tuna Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 For me it's about getting ready for next season. Anything other than relegation now is a huge bonus, obviously but we're as good as down now, we've missed our chance to change. But our club has been run like a shambles for far too long now I've zero confidence in the powers that be making a sensible appointment should we sack Ranieri. The fact Rudkin was sitting next to VIchai yesterday is a huge concern, he should be accountable for the shit recruitment and fired immediately.
Countryfox Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 Probably not so lets not rush in now and make another mistake ... he won't go anyway, the owners have said so. I think the season can be saved if he gets his selection right ... lets have the new guy and Amartey at the back, drop Mahrez (except for the Seville game when he will excel), and give them hell in training. We can still win the FA cup ... But if we stay up lets not let that mask over the cracks.
ZeGuy Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 No. Unless you sign a (really) big one. And it's still a big if. It's too late for the changes to take effect in time and would make the actual chaos even worse. Just stick with what you have and hope he somehow gets it around. If any, he should have gone in december, but then we'd have gone as the most ungrateful club in football's history.
Guest Foxin_mad Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 Its resolving Swansea's problems. They looked dead and buried now 4 wins in 6. Anything is worth a try, we will go down without scoring another league goal under Claudio. Big questions need to be asked. Why did he get rid of fitness, psychology and dietary consultants at the club and not replace? Why does he never talk to his assistants? One thing is agreed Rudkin must go, maybe move Claudio upstairs.
Manwell Pablo Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 It's getting to the stage now where some of his decisions are inexcusable. When you're chasing a game and you end up subbing you're left and right back that sort of shows how wrong you got your first XI. Time to get some of the players who have just not been performing out of the team and lets get the ones that have being do acceptably back in, don't care what they earn. Christian Fuchs is a legend but how he is getting in in front of Chillwell at the minute is utter beggars belief.
Guest Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 It won't solve any problems, unless we get a manager who has the B&IIs to change the squad and drop whoever needs dropping. If Claudio or a new manager does that we survive, if Claudio or a new manager doesn't we drop.
Bayfox Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 It's shit or bust time, be honest, the way we are playing, we are going down, my 11/1 in Nov looks good odds now, but it looks like it will be paying for a Championship season ticket. I'd rather lose the cash, but I can't see it. So, we had 2 options, back the manager in the transfer window, and sign what we clearly needed, a RB a CB and someone to create something, or **** the manager off and find someone new. We did neither, now the problem with football is, it's easier to fire 1 man, than replace 20 players, so the manager carries the can. The players have let him down granted, but they currently look lost, devoid of both confidence and ideas. I listen to a lot of ex pro's who say once things start to go badly, they get bored of hearing the same thing, listening to the same voice etc, so No it may change **** all, but Claudio has not been able to change anything since Nov when it became plainly obvious our home form was 1 saving grace and now that's toilet as well, so It has to be a shot to nothing. The bigger question for me is, Do we go for someone like Gus sort term to firefight, or do we take someone like rowett and if we do stay up it's a bonus, Dave bassett came in nothing changed, micky adams got 4 games or so and we managed 4 unbeaten, I'm not sure myself which is better, but I'm at the point where anything is better than nothing.
foxy boxing Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 Claudio is a gentleman and the players need a good kicking up the backside. can anyone really see Claudio havin a right go at the players and telling them this is unacceptable. other managers would tear them an new one if things were going wrong!
Stuntman_Mike Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 Of course it's not guaranteed but it simply can't get any worse at the moment. This isn't an over the top reaction to a bad run, we've been useless all season and are continuously making the same mistakes that are clear for all to see. A gamble and a change gives us hope, if we stick by CR through loyalty alone then we are only going down because he's had chance after chance to turn it around and we've not shown ANY signs of improving. We are in free fall, confidence is low, we have no fresh options, the fans aren't on side. That combination doesn't fair well for any side. That's without this added pressure of us being reigning champions on the decline, which the media seem to picking up on more and more by the week now they've started to see what we've seen for months. I hate feeling so negative about my club, especially this team because the one thing they always gave us was commitment to the end. Regardless of the result, you'd be proud. Now it's resentment. This season should have been a year long celebration, now I'm just embarrassed when I hear us sing about being champions. Atleast under Pearson when we were rooted to bottom it was like "yeah we ain't good enough but we ran them close". Now it's defeats without even looking like scoring. It's spineless. The only positive is how turd the teams are around us, but you can only rely on that for so long. God knows how we haven't been in the bottom 3 this season. We are terrible. It breaks my heart, but he will be gone once Seville have done the inevitable.
Arriba Los Zorros Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 Have to say it would resolve the problem of relegation if not a resolution to the rotten management of Rudkin and co. We have good players - Ndidi and Drinky in CM, good wingers in Gray and Mahrez, defence is a bit shaky but it could be sorted with proper management. These players are a cut above our relegation rivals and managed competently they should be well capable of steering us clear of relegation.
fleshdaddy Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 Obviously, the truth is that we don't know. What I do know though, is that a change in the manager is the only thing I can see giving us even the slightest chance of avoiding relegation. If Ranieri stays, we go down. It's that simple for me. I love him, and yes, whilst the players have let him down (I'm not saying Ranieri is blameless), you can't sack all of the players. You can sack a manager. As others have said, look at Swansea, look at Hull - they both made changes and have picked up points since and have given themselves a fighting chance.
dannythefox Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 At least we can say we tried if we get rid, personally that display yesterday wasn't any better than the first game against Hull. He's had his chance time to change.
Milo Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 We don't really know what goes on, mores the pity. It could be that Claudio has developed a bit of a God complex after last year (?). I wasn't aware of the fact that he binned the fitness team, dietary and psychology lot as well. I do know that he doesn't talk to the coaches. We're clearly not as fit as last year, don't concentrate particularly well (goals in quick succession, last kick of the half goals conceded) and are shot of confidence - so I assume that's a fair bit of cause and effect there. Who did he bring in as replacements? Surely last year didn't happen despite him, rather than because of him??? Any of the above would alienate the players, I suppose.
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HybridFox Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 None of us fans "hate" Claudio. Quite the opposite. Absolutely desperate for him to succeed and turn it around after what he did for us last year. Couldn't happen to a nicer guy. The problem is the players aren't playing for him. And when you lose the dressing room, the position becomes untenable. If a new manager comes in, the players are suddenly playing for their places as they want to make an impression. He'll have his own ideas and they'll want to make sure they're part of them. Seen it too often in the past.
ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 Let's be honest, it won't make us any worse
foxes_rule1978 Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 Changes are needed and Ranieri isn't doing that. Amartey shown himself to be a very capable CB at AFCON and he still refuses to play him there. Benny performed better than Huth or Morgan have ever done all season and didn't make the bench. For the simple fact a new manager will likely change the personnel then yes it would.
Ian S Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 What else is there to try. We are deteriorating at an unbelievable rate. Ranieri threatening to finally make changes with 13 games to sums up how indecisive he has been. what next,yesterday's team to play Millwall and the Derby team to play Seville,either way we would lose both.
LanguedocFox Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 1 hour ago, Tuna said: For me it's about getting ready for next season. Anything other than relegation now is a huge bonus, obviously but we're as good as down now, we've missed our chance to change. But our club has been run like a shambles for far too long now I've zero confidence in the powers that be making a sensible appointment should we sack Ranieri. The fact Rudkin was sitting next to VIchai yesterday is a huge concern, he should be accountable for the shit recruitment and fired immediately. Rudkin was the major influence in the appointment of Ranieri, so I suspect he will recommend offloading the manager before throwing himself on his own sword - as I think he should do.
Tielemans63 Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 For me the question isn't 'will changing the manager resolve the problems?', it's 'will keeping the manager intensify the current / create more problems?' and sadly the answer seems to be yes because the whole thing is falling apart at a scarily rapid rate. At least if we change manager now there's a better chance (IMO) of us being still in the Premier League next season and I'm willing to bet that any potential problems will be a lot easier to solve if we're a top flight club and not a Championship side. I think some are massively underestimating what a disaster relegation would be for the club.
st albans fox Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 can we stop assuming Rudkin is responsible for the poor recruitment - no evidence that he conducts the negotiations. Whoever is negotiating should be got rid of because they are failing. and what is our game plan now? Against derby we looked like we just sent them out and told them to play as they wanted. Was yesterday any different. Unless we give the players a tactical template as we seemed to last campaign then they will look lost against sides that have been well drilled or are just much better than we are.
foxes_rule1978 Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 1 minute ago, st albans fox said: can we stop assuming Rudkin is responsible for the poor recruitment - no evidence that he conducts the negotiations. Whoever is negotiating should be got rid of because they are failing. and what is our game plan now? Against derby we looked like we just sent them out and told them to play as they wanted. Was yesterday any different. Unless we give the players a tactical template as we seemed to last campaign then they will look lost against sides that have been well drilled or are just much better than we are. There is a tactical template, it seems to be hoof it to vardy at every opportunity, regardless of whether the ball is on or he is getting marked out by two 6 foot plus defenders.
AyewJoking Posted 13 February 2017 Posted 13 February 2017 Not in the bottom 3 yet but the worst team in England and getting worse. We will go down. I'm not wasting any more time being angry about it.
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