Donut Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 14 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said: Trying to get back on course the theme of the comments in the Premier League, 2017-2018 Season Thread. My concern is that the Premier League is now out of control, its not truly competitive because it basically its not a level playing field. Several of the top 4-5 clubs have unlimited spending power, the mid group of teams including the Foxes have very average funding, but can't compete with the top 4-5, several of the ones below do not have the financial backing to compete with the ones above them. The top 4 can cherry pick the most expensive players and pay them £millions per year. This puts the mid and lower table clubs out of contention and more or less (except for our unique achievement 2 seasons ago) guarantees them a top 4 European place every year, the rest in reality have no chance. A very radical change has to be made to create a level playing field and competitive league. I suggest take a look at premiership rugby league which has a salary cap for every club. A much fairer system producing close competitive games and no guarantees who will win the league each season. Could this work with our league ? Can i be honest, im probably in the minority, but i dont want teams to be equal.
Tielemans63 Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 13 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said: A very radical change has to be made to create a level playing field and competitive league. I suggest take a look at premiership rugby league which has a salary cap for every club. A much fairer system producing close competitive games and no guarantees who will win the league each season. Could this work with our league ? I take your overall point but looking to Rugby League probably isn't the answer. Yes they have a salary cap but since Super League formed 20 years ago only 4 different teams (Leeds, Bradford, Wigan, St Helens) have ever won it and even then Leeds have won 7 of the last 10 (I think) and only 3 other teams (Warrington 3 times, Hull once, Castleford once) have ever made the Grand Final. So it's no more competitive than football in the sense that the wealthiest clubs still dominate. Great sport to watch btw, highly recommend it. 1
StanSP Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 16 minutes ago, Beechey said: 5000/1 they've surely done that on purpose
Colourmy Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 9 minutes ago, StanSP said: they've surely done that on purpose I'd take a tenner on that!
Colourmy Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 2 minutes ago, StanSP said: of course you would Get onto the Fab 4, tell them to piss about like they have done before. Soon slide down the table!
RODNEY FERNIO Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 40 minutes ago, Fox1norfolk said: ying to get back on course the theme of the comments in the Premier League, 2017-2018 Season Thread. My concern is that the Premier League is now out of control, its not truly competitive because it basically its not a level playing field. Several of the top 4-5 clubs have unlimited spending power, the mid group of teams including the Foxes have very average funding, but can't compete with the top 4-5, several of the ones below do not have the financial backing to compete with the ones above them. The top 4 can cherry pick the most expensive players and pay them £millions per year. This puts the mid and lower table clubs out of contention and more or less (except for our unique achievement 2 seasons ago) guarantees them a top 4 European place every year, the rest in reality have no chance. A very radical change has to be made to create a level playing field and competitive league. I suggest take a look at premiership rugby league which has a salary cap for every club. A much fairer system producing close competitive games and no guarantees who will win the league each season. Could this work with our league ? Good post but it's a lot of a more level playing field than most other leagues. The seemingly endless funds that PSG and Manchester City have sets a dangerous precedent and I for one would like to know how Financial Fair Play applies to these two clubs ... bribes probably. Barca, , Real , United and Bayern .. are hanging on to the coat tails of these two and imo are far bigger clubs. Abramovich looks like he realises even his billions can't compete with these oil men and has almost thrown the towel in.
BenTheFox Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 6 hours ago, Donut said: In theory, yes, as its full of players that wouldn't be available for a club like wolves if they didn't have the link with the super agent. Ruben Neves for example in a normal scenario would not be playing in the championship. Nor Diogo Jota. Yeah, but they have a better squad than a handful of teams in the premier league regardless in my opinion.
Babylon Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 3 hours ago, Donut said: What tour are you talking about in your example? or are you just talking about golfers by world ranking? You need to also remember that there are also developmental tours underneath the main tours like European tour and PGA tour, and that not all the players that are earning on the main tours are actually main tour members/ holding exemptions to be on the tour. Also, a footballer is on a salary of x amount per week, whereas a golfer yes they will also get sponsorship, but their tournament earnings are not guaranteed and they fluctuate, hence their earnings are paid to a wealth management company who will then pay the golfer a "salary" Miss the cut and you get nothing, whilst still paying travel expenses and caddie fees. and a nominal amount to the tournament organisers who put together green reading books, yardage charts, pin charts etc. That was just something that listed the top 50 earners in golf in 2017.
CosbehFox Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 Salary cap only works to an extent; there’s still the prestige what comes with top clubs which leads to sponsorship. Salary capped sports are still dominated by the same teams bar a few examples - Exeter Chiefs
MC Prussian Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 (edited) 2 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Salary cap only works to an extent; there’s still the prestige what comes with top clubs which leads to sponsorship. Salary capped sports are still dominated by the same teams bar a few examples - Exeter Chiefs Sorry, not true. In the past eleven years (since the last lockout), the NHL has seen seven different Stanley Cup champions. Same goes for the NBA championship. Nine different teams have won the NFL in that timespan, eight in the MLB. And some of these clubs/organizations were regarded as cannon fodder at times. If at all, the American system adds a bit more excitement or unpredictability, because it forces General Managers to think more long-term and the Salary Cap can change from season to season. Edited 23 January 2018 by MC Prussian
ARM1968 Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 (edited) Trouble is, fixing the system in England whilst it remained the same everywhere else would just see players leaving our leagues in droves. Football is essentially broken and wont be fixed until at least a Europe wide solution is found. Salaries are ludicrous and transfer fees insane. It’s a mess. Edited 23 January 2018 by ARM1968 2
Leicester_Loyal Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 Laporte to Man City on a 6 year deal apparently.
Carl the Llama Posted 23 January 2018 Posted 23 January 2018 1 hour ago, Aus Fox said: 6th now certain of a Europa League spot. Not if Arsenal win it and finish 7th?
Leeds Fox Posted 24 January 2018 Posted 24 January 2018 (edited) 12 hours ago, RODNEY FERNIO said: Good post but it's a lot of a more level playing field than most other leagues. The seemingly endless funds that PSG and Manchester City have sets a dangerous precedent and I for one would like to know how Financial Fair Play applies to these two clubs ... bribes probably. Barca, , Real , United and Bayern .. are hanging on to the coat tails of these two and imo are far bigger clubs. Abramovich looks like he realises even his billions can't compete with these oil men and has almost thrown the towel in. They won the league last season so there probably wasn’t a huge need to spend a furtune. Even so they still spent a lot on Morata. Their last few signings weren’t bank breakers but I reckon they’d have paid a lot more for Kante if they’d needed to. City and PSG are far wealthier but Chelsea definitely have enough money to compete. They still have a very good squad, it just hasn’t happened for them this season. Morata not performing as well as Costa did last year, Conte issues (?) and Pep absolutely nailing it after a couple of seasons to get his squad spot on. Edited 24 January 2018 by Leeds Fox
CosbehFox Posted 24 January 2018 Posted 24 January 2018 10 hours ago, MC Prussian said: Sorry, not true. In the past eleven years (since the last lockout), the NHL has seen seven different Stanley Cup champions. Same goes for the NBA championship. Nine different teams have won the NFL in that timespan, eight in the MLB. And some of these clubs/organizations were regarded as cannon fodder at times. If at all, the American system adds a bit more excitement or unpredictability, because it forces General Managers to think more long-term and the Salary Cap can change from season to season. That’s in an American draft system. Place the salary cap in an European free market and you have to look at both codes of Rugby to see it doesn’t affect much 1
Daggers Posted 24 January 2018 Posted 24 January 2018 13 hours ago, Fox1norfolk said: My concern is that the Premier League is now out of control, its not truly competitive because it basically its not a level playing field. I’d like to agree with you, but 2016.
MC Prussian Posted 24 January 2018 Posted 24 January 2018 (edited) 1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said: That’s in an American draft system. Place the salary cap in an European free market and you have to look at both codes of Rugby to see it doesn’t affect much I was replying to you talking about Salary Cap in general, not one limited to Rugby only. So there are examples of a Salary Cap system not supporting "bigger" teams winning the respective championship every single year or it being an "exclusive circle". Just because it's an American Salary Cap system (not necessarily one connected to drafts), doesn't mean it can't work in Europe. And citing Rugby as the sole example against a Salary Cap system doesn't prove much. All it proves (as of right now) is that the Salary Cap system doesn't work in Rugby. Free market is free market, I'm sure many football clubs (not all) would be able to attract interest for investment - if they aren't already invested in, just look at the English Football League. It's happened before, it's happening and it will continue to happen in European Football, too. Btw, I'm not a Salary Cap advocate. Edited 24 January 2018 by MC Prussian
AjcW Posted 24 January 2018 Posted 24 January 2018 No Sky or BT games for us in march. Possible BT coverage if we carry on in the cup but otherwise nothing! Not overly surprised, other than Arsenal which is ALWAYS televised we've got some dull games in March
irishfoxkev Posted 24 January 2018 Posted 24 January 2018 17 minutes ago, AjcW said: No Sky or BT games for us in march. Possible BT coverage if we carry on in the cup but otherwise nothing! Yeah we’re not the flavor of the month anymore ....On the plus side makes it bit easier to plan a trip or two before end of season for fans like me who have to plan well in advance book flights etc ..
AjcW Posted 24 January 2018 Posted 24 January 2018 29 minutes ago, irishfoxkev said: Yeah we’re not the flavor of the month anymore ....On the plus side makes it bit easier to plan a trip or two before end of season for fans like me who have to plan well in advance book flights etc .. To be fair we're on 2 out of 3 games in feb and if we get through the cup it could be 3 out of 4. So not too bad. But yes you're right, especially for long distance foxes like you!
jammie82uk Posted 24 January 2018 Posted 24 January 2018 1 hour ago, AjcW said: No Sky or BT games for us in march. Possible BT coverage if we carry on in the cup but otherwise nothing! Not overly surprised, other than Arsenal which is ALWAYS televised we've got some dull games in March Don’t see us getting much more We had 10 out of the first 19 league games changed for tv
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