Is Shakespeare the right man for the job?

[ronnup]

Time up. That was nonsense yesterday. He's not moving us forward at all. 

[roblcfc84]

Not good enough I'm afraid. A draw away is acceptable but as a coach myself, when professional players are either incapable or intentionally not passing (by that I mean under instruction) something's wrong.

[Guest ttfn]

6 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

 

There's a massive culture of unaccountability at Leicester.

 

Nail meet head.

[Gazza M]

I want to know what Appleton has brought to the party? He has just got Oxford promoted, so even though it was lower league, he must have some preferred style of play? Surely he can see hoof and run is not working? 

[CyprusFox]

9 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Yeah totally get that and I agree..... My idea would be to get in a new DOF to work with him. To ensure we're getting the right players and not overspending for them.

I think a new DOF should be the first change we make (although I can't see this happening anytime soon). We might then make a better decision on the appointment of a new manager, which needs addressing sooner rather than later imo. I still believe that Shakespeare got the backing from Rudkin, and the subsequent nod, as he posed no threat to his authority or (bad) decision making. Whereas I'm not sure his position would have been as comfortable had a stronger character or bigger name been appointed after Claudio.

[Glorious Leicester Fan]

The biggest problem facing City is a complete lack of footballing identity. I genuinely could not tell you what our aims, methods and tactics are. A clearly defined and understood philosophy is prerequisite for footballing success. It should determine our training and player purchases.  

 

If you ask any decent manager, they could clearly define their footballing mantra. Could CS?

 

 

 

 

 

 

[mozartfox]

4 minutes ago, CyprusFox said:

I think a new DOF should be the first change we make (although I can't see this happening anytime soon). We might then make a better decision on the appointment of a new manager, which needs addressing sooner rather than later imo. I still believe that Shakespeare got the backing from Rudkin, and the subsequent nod, as he posed no threat to his authority or (bad) decision making. Whereas I'm not sure his position would have been as comfortable had a stronger character or bigger name been appointed after Claudio.

This this this.  Summed up perfectly.  Just getting rid of Shakey would solve sweet FA.

[Guest Col city fan]

I think Eddie Howe is one of those one club managers. Does well at Bournemouth but would probably struggle elsewhere.

[chicagofox]

34 minutes ago, Col city fan said:

I think Eddie Howe is one of those one club managers. Does well at Bournemouth but would probably struggle elsewhere.

Burnley fans would agree with you.

[Tuna]

9 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

Haven't skimmed through this thread but today confirmed my growing fear that he isn't really up to it. 

 

I cannot work out for the life of me what we're even trying to achieve. We're trying to reinvent football as if you don't even need a midfield. The lack of movement is astounding. The passing is the worst in the league by a distance and I'd say the majority of the Championship too. There's no imagination, there's no energy, there's no ambition until we're given a rocket up our arse. A part of me actually wanted Bournemouth to score just so we woke up.

 

I don't think he's commanding the respect of the players personally. I don't see the effort that was there back when he took over. I don't see players busting their bollocks for this team with the exception of a couple. I don't see any quality what so ever.

 

That we've drawn again papers over the cracks massively, because a point away from home isn't a disaster - but it isn't particularly good either. We created the joint lowest number of chances in the whole league today and we were playing a side who ship loads of goals. You can't talk pre-season about ambition and wanting to push for Europe and then treat ****ing Bournemouth like they're Barcelona.

 

You have got to seriously question the club when we're happy to pay out £12mil for Iborra and then not deem him a better option than Andy King. How on earth has that happened? Either Shakespeare's massively over-rating King or we massively over-rated Iborra, because something's not right there.

 

Then you go on to the insistence to stick to this 4-4-2 at every possible cost. It hasn't worked properly since Kante left. It's absolutely clear as day. 2 wins in 25 away games tells you its own story. There is nowhere near enough tangible benefit that playing 4-4-2 is bringing us now to justify not even attempting to get anything out of our new signings. Are the new signings the problem, or are the tactics? Or even both? I think Iheanacho will flop here. I think it'll be another Slimani situation. I think Dragovic will do well to get double figures for games and I think Silva is a write off now until January. The recruitment looked good on paper. On the pitch I'm not sold.

 

I don't doubt his credentials as a coach (although some of our football is so bad it makes you wonder) but I don't think he's a manager. As someone who wanted him appointed and was happy to get behind him, I admit I was probably wrong. I think the doubters are right about him, sadly.

Excellent post.

[Filberts lovechild]

Have to admit I am starting to have my doubts. I think if the club wants to move forward it might need a new direction. I'd try and keep Shakey for the season and maybe plan for getting Wagner in the Summer. I'd assume he'll want to do a year at Huddersfield.

 

Meanwhile, we desperately need points at home to West Brom. Despite losing I don't think we've been terrible at home this season

[Dames]

57 minutes ago, CyprusFox said:

I think a new DOF should be the first change we make (although I can't see this happening anytime soon). We might then make a better decision on the appointment of a new manager, which needs addressing sooner rather than later imo. I still believe that Shakespeare got the backing from Rudkin, and the subsequent nod, as he posed no threat to his authority or (bad) decision making. Whereas I'm not sure his position would have been as comfortable had a stronger character or bigger name been appointed after Claudio.

Haven't you been here these past few weeks? Nothing is Rudkins fault and never will be.

[Realist Guy In The Room]

We're a laughing stock.

[Gerard]

9 hours ago, Dan LCFC said:

Haven't skimmed through this thread but today confirmed my growing fear that he isn't really up to it. 

 

I cannot work out for the life of me what we're even trying to achieve. We're trying to reinvent football as if you don't even need a midfield. The lack of movement is astounding. The passing is the worst in the league by a distance and I'd say the majority of the Championship too. There's no imagination, there's no energy, there's no ambition until we're given a rocket up our arse. A part of me actually wanted Bournemouth to score just so we woke up.

 

I don't think he's commanding the respect of the players personally. I don't see the effort that was there back when he took over. I don't see players busting their bollocks for this team with the exception of a couple. I don't see any quality what so ever.

 

That we've drawn again papers over the cracks massively, because a point away from home isn't a disaster - but it isn't particularly good either. We created the joint lowest number of chances in the whole league today and we were playing a side who ship loads of goals. You can't talk pre-season about ambition and wanting to push for Europe and then treat ****ing Bournemouth like they're Barcelona.

 

You have got to seriously question the club when we're happy to pay out £12mil for Iborra and then not deem him a better option than Andy King. How on earth has that happened? Either Shakespeare's massively over-rating King or we massively over-rated Iborra, because something's not right there.

 

Then you go on to the insistence to stick to this 4-4-2 at every possible cost. It hasn't worked properly since Kante left. It's absolutely clear as day. 2 wins in 25 away games tells you its own story. There is nowhere near enough tangible benefit that playing 4-4-2 is bringing us now to justify not even attempting to get anything out of our new signings. Are the new signings the problem, or are the tactics? Or even both? I think Iheanacho will flop here. I think it'll be another Slimani situation. I think Dragovic will do well to get double figures for games and I think Silva is a write off now until January. The recruitment looked good on paper. On the pitch I'm not sold.

 

I don't doubt his credentials as a coach (although some of our football is so bad it makes you wonder) but I don't think he's a manager. As someone who wanted him appointed and was happy to get behind him, I admit I was probably wrong. I think the doubters are right about him, sadly.

 

Brilliant post.

 

Personally at no point this year did I want Shakey to get the job, I was always aware that he never really tried to do anything different apart from try to play like the title winning team. Not like that's a bad thing but it already raised questions about whether he had his own ideas on how football should be played or he was here for so long he could now only plagiarise previous managers ideas. 

 

I thought this summer was an ideal time to bring in a new manager who was a new voice and could come in here and rip up the old rulebook and start a fresh with the squad. You get the feeling that some players have been here that long with the same voices around them that they have got too comfortable and everything is a bit stale. It was time to forget we won the title and start from scratch again rather than try to replicate past glories.

 

I think we've set our stall out now as a 4-4-2 side with five first team strikers at the club. It's a system that I think Iborra can't play in either which is why King is preferred to him. We'll also always be an ugly side to watch with Simpson and Albrighton in the side as they can't keep the ball. This is why we should have just gone in another direction this summer and look to bring in someone with different ideas and bought and sold players to fit his system. Until we do that we'll continue to be shit to watch.

[Mickyblueeyes]

The utter rubbish that we are playing without any apparent attempt to change it is not helping his cause. Saying that a point away to Bournemouth after putting in a performance like that, is even worse. 

 

You cannot criticise the fans who want him gone.

 

yes he has had a hard start and the injuries certainly didn't help but there seems to be no clue how to deal with problems we are facing. 

 

Im not fully on the Shakespeare out train just yet but I can see why many are and I suspect it won't be long before more join. Especially if we continue to dish up the crap we are being served. 

[Ian Nacho]

Put it this way, 12/1 for Shakespear for the next manager to leave is decent odds.

[Chrysalis]

yeah thats a good bet I will take.

 

Bet odds dropped already tho

[Countryfox]

Well I'm still pro Shakey  ...    And I know he's had an incredibly hard start and Bournemouth away was, for whatever reason, a real tough nut for us to crack, even when we won the league.     But ...   we need to see more ..   The players played for him last season cus they liked him, now they need to play for him cus he is very definitely the man in charge.   I would have benched Mahrez when we needed to battle against a superior team and used him when playing lesser teams that needed unlocking  (opposite to what he has done) ...     And a little more faith in some of the new boys.   But knee jerking now will harm us in the long term ...    and I'd like to think that most on here deep down would agree with that.

[somebum]

3 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

Well I'm still pro Shakey  ...    And I know he's had an incredibly hard start and Bournemouth away was, for whatever reason, a real tough nut for us to crack, even when we won the league.     But ...   we need to see more ..   The players played for him last season cus they liked him, now they need to play for him cus he is very definitely the man in charge.   I would have benched Mahrez when we needed to battle against a superior team and used him when playing lesser teams that needed unlocking  (opposite to what he has done) ...     And a little more faith in some of the new boys.   But knee jerking now will harm us in the long term ...    and I'd like to think that most on here deep down would agree with that.

Nothing knee jerk about this! 

[Countryfox]

2 minutes ago, somebum said:

Nothing knee jerk about this! 

 

Ok bin him now and get in ....  ??    Who wants to come here ??    Do we have someone lined up ??  

 

We'll end up with some has been plank and things will turn to sh1te ...   Then Nige will come back to rebuild.

 

The owners should have a plan B but let's give them some time to do it properly ..   And Shakey some time to turn things round.

[martyn]

He deserved the chance to manage us after last season. I'd have preferred if we had gone a different route, but couldn't begrudge him the opportunity at least.

 

This season (and you could argue the final games of last season) has already exposed his limitations.

 

Insistence on 4-4-2 with our personnel, no real evidence to show he can positively change the course of a game either tactically or with substitutions, and performances getting worse not better.

 

I don't think I've ever called for a manager to go this early, and it gives me no pleasure doing so, but i can't see how we are not in a relegation battle with him in charge. Those responsible for recruitment and allowing the Silva farce to unfold also should be out the door, and for that I do feel sorry for Shakey.

 

Its a risk, but I think we should try, if we can, to get a manager in who can mould a way of playing that selects our most talented players, and finds a way to get them influencing the game. Hoof and hope to Vardy won't cut it anymore.

Edited 1 October 2017 by martyn

[karl rudham]

Craig Shakespeare has been the Foxes manager for 20 premier league games now if you take his caretaker spell in charge last season into the mix. He has won 8 of those games, however of those wins, five were consecutive wins last season when he took over v Liverpool at home. Since then it's 3 wins in 15 so that strikes a huge concern. Ridid 4-4-2 thats not working, apparent preference to starting old school favourites, big money new signings just left on the bench or not included at all, Dragovic being the latter. The Silva saga remains a farce.

 

Huddersfield & Bournemouth blew us away & must feel violated to have seen us run off with a point back on the motorway.

 

if we were playing good football and getting narrowly beaten every confidence in an upturn in results would be there, but performances have been awful and hardly creating many chances.

 

fans talking top 10 finish at start of season and maybe pushing a Europa spot, on current form and performances a return to the Championship is more likely.

 

Im on the fence on Shakespeare and his future right now, mainly because who is out there out of work that would make a difference and would want to come to us and the other finding a quality experienced guy in work that would want to come to us. I said before the Bournemouth game that Shakespeare should be judged on the next five games, one now down, therefore WBA, Swansea, Everton & Stoke. Same level of awful performances and no wins in this period would make his position untenable.

[David Hankey]

And look where Ranieri's Nantes are.

[martyn]

3 minutes ago, David Hankey said:

And look where Ranieri's Nantes are.

What has that got to do with anything?

[Chrysalis]

ladbrokes a company that doesnt understand simple, having to ring to place the bet as their website is just weird.