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Safe standing - time to act

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14 hours ago, Unabomber said:

So are we allowed to stand this season? 

Ha. So this is the completely backwards way that we operate. The rules got changed at the back end of last year to say that "seats incorporating barriers" IE the ones that Wolves have put in, are now legal in all seater stadiums, whereas previously they weren't. But, the ability to actually designate it as a "standing" area hasn't changed, so technically the ground regulations at Molineux will stipulate that you have to sit down, but they just won't get enforced. 

 

The parliamentary review on the all seater policy is due out soon as well which may change things.

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17 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Oh just people in this thread and elsewhere saying it will never happen!

Well it hasn't really happened, this isn't safe standing, just barriers in front of seats, certainly the best we can hope for at the moment.

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21 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

Well it hasn't really happened, this isn't safe standing, just barriers in front of seats, certainly the best we can hope for at the moment.

That is essentially what "safe standing" is. You are correct that it hasn't necessarily happened yet, still illegal to stand, but clubs are using the new regulations to install them as a move towards it. Standing will never be like it once was, it was unsafe and chaotic.

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Just now, KrefelderFox666 said:

That is essentially what "safe standing" is. You are correct that it hasn't necessarily happened yet, still illegal to stand, but clubs are using the new regulations to install them as a move towards it. Standing will never be like it once was, it was unsafe and chaotic.

Well not really as safe standing has the option of standing or sitting without blocking anyone's view, and seats are bolted in the upright position and lowered when required.

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On 21/07/2019 at 11:32, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Amazing. 

 

"It'll never happen". 

 

Oh, and Wolves won't be the last either, another (big) club making moves possibly later this season. :thumbup:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/49795407

 

Manchester United are to undertake a "detailed and comprehensive study" into the feasibility of trialling rail seats at Old Trafford.

A change in safety guidelines allows clubs to apply to put rail seats in stadiums when all attempts to persuade supporters not to stand have failed.

Wolves added rail seats to Molineux in the summer, while Tottenham installed them in their new stadium.

United are speaking to both clubs about the management of such areas.

The legal requirement remains for supporters to sit at matches, but in practice fans have continued to stand throughout games at Wolves.

United told a recent fans' forum meeting it will update them when further information is available.

The news has been welcomed by the Manchester United Supporters' Trust, who said: "We have fought long and hard for safe standing for many years.

"We believe it will likely benefit atmosphere but also enhance spectator safety in areas where fans already persistently stand.

"As a supporters' group, naturally supporter safety is our number one priority, so we hope that this added safety measure is put in place sooner rather than later.

"Every game that passes without rail seats in place to prevent fans at Old Trafford getting injured falling over the existing conventional seats is an opportunity missed to make the stadium a safer place."

 

Possibly goes hand in hand with MUFC creating a 3000 space singing section ran by a fan group called The Red Army. 

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On 20/08/2017 at 16:45, Freeman's Wharfer said:

I personally don't see why the fans should have to pay for this or for it to be crowd-funded. Why can't a club step forward, give something back to the fans and just invest the money to implement the rail seating?

 

I'm well behind safe standing but if the clubs actually want to listen to their fan base and improve things for what is essentially their customers then you don't get them to pay for the change. It'd be like your gym asking you to pay on top of your membership because they're putting in some new equipment!

Good Post and spot on.

I once lived in a gasless village and the gas board agreed to install a main if we the future customers paid for it!!

Same principle, standing means more people attending means more revinue. we shouldn't pay for something that potentially profits all Premier league clubs not just ours.

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59 minutes ago, Realjimbo said:

Good Post and spot on.

I once lived in a gasless village and the gas board agreed to install a main if we the future customers paid for it!!

Same principle, standing means more people attending means more revinue. we shouldn't pay for something that potentially profits all Premier league clubs not just ours.

It's really not that expensive in the grand scheme of things. Celtic's rail seating area cost around £300K for 3K standing spots. When the legislation changes again in the future to allow more than 1 standing spot per seat, that money will be made back within a season. 

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On 17/01/2020 at 15:19, Sol thewall Bamba said:

It's really not that expensive in the grand scheme of things. Celtic's rail seating area cost around £300K for 3K standing spots. When the legislation changes again in the future to allow more than 1 standing spot per seat, that money will be made back within a season. 

With regards to Celtic in particular, do you or others forsee the recent bans of fans in their safe seating area as problematic for the cause of wanting it here? I recently heard (about a month ago) some discussion about it on a radio programme. Certain Celtic fans rang in to say that some of the so called 'Green Brigade' that inhabit those areas had become too powerful and caused great problems ie like the coordinated smuggling in of pyrotechnics and sectarian chants amongst other inappropriate behaviour. 

 

In an age where certain behaviour in grounds is coming under scrutiny (racism and other diversity issues), clubs and owners align themselves with certain interested parties (ourselves included). Could it be that because of such examples of behaviour,  certain ethically minded owners, like ours, may be wary of attracting a certain type of supporter and subsequent behaviours? Now I'm not personally for one minute suggesting that anyone who would want to stand in such an area is of a persuasion that is likely to  stir up trouble but, as an owner, seeing such adverse reporting may make them think twice for various reasons and whether they'd want the potential risk or hassle of it all.

 

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/sport/celtic-partially-close-parkhead-for-rennes-clash-amid-safety-concerns/

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9 hours ago, volpeazzurro said:

With regards to Celtic in particular, do you or others forsee the recent bans of fans in their safe seating area as problematic for the cause of wanting it here? I recently heard (about a month ago) some discussion about it on a radio programme. Certain Celtic fans rang in to say that some of the so called 'Green Brigade' that inhabit those areas had become too powerful and caused great problems ie like the coordinated smuggling in of pyrotechnics and sectarian chants amongst other inappropriate behaviour. 

 

In an age where certain behaviour in grounds is coming under scrutiny (racism and other diversity issues), clubs and owners align themselves with certain interested parties (ourselves included). Could it be that because of such examples of behaviour,  certain ethically minded owners, like ours, may be wary of attracting a certain type of supporter and subsequent behaviours? Now I'm not personally for one minute suggesting that anyone who would want to stand in such an area is of a persuasion that is likely to  stir up trouble but, as an owner, seeing such adverse reporting may make them think twice for various reasons and whether they'd want the potential risk or hassle of it all.

 

https://www.eveningexpress.co.uk/sport/celtic-partially-close-parkhead-for-rennes-clash-amid-safety-concerns/

GB are on a totally different level to any other supporters group in the UK. They're a full blown Ultra group as good as most on the continent.

 

Their unique behaviour doesn't make rail seating unsafe or unsuitable for anyone else, although yeah I would say some of their actions harm the progress of the Safe Standing campaign. 

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4 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

GB are on a totally different level to any other supporters group in the UK. They're a full blown Ultra group as good as most on the continent.

 

Their unique behaviour doesn't make rail seating unsafe or unsuitable for anyone else, although yeah I would say some of their actions harm the progress of the Safe Standing campaign. 

Agreed but with their history of problems, twice now, perhaps Celtic could do a bit more about it ie photo id cards. Any perpetrator could then be easily identified and banned for life. I think it potentially damages the good work of the standing campaign. 

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https://thefsa.org.uk/news/government-to-move-quickly-on-all-seater-reform/

 

Feel like we're on the home stretch now. Once the legislation changes clubs will get this done in droves given the SGSA's reforms to their guidance. 

 

I think LCFC will sort something in line with the ground redevelopment, the timing could line up nicely. 

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Safe standing across English football has come a step closer after a report found it had “a positive impact on spectator safety”.

The findings, made by the Sports Grounds Safety Authority (SGSA) in an interim report, have been welcomed by government. They could herald the return of standing to the top two divisions in England for the first time since the implementation of the Taylor report, should they be borne out in the final version of the report due this summer.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/feb/07/safe-standing-across-english-football-step-closer-sports-grounds-safety-autority-report-positive

 

https://sgsa.org.uk/wp-content/uploads/2020/02/Safe-management-of-standing-at-football-emerging-findings.pdf

 

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4 hours ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

Man United have applied for a 1500 space rail seating area. Clubs are just going to do this regardless of the legislation changing or not now the rail seats comply with the "all seater" policy. 

 

https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/51457337?at_custom2=twitter&at_custom1=link&at_custom3=BBC+England&at_medium=custom7&at_campaign=64&at_custom4=CE332734-4CAB-11EA-AC7D-2CF14744363C

It's good as well because they're a prominent supporter of safe standing. Their stature in the game holds a lot of weight... 

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9 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

Do you think they'll put standing areas in the new stand though?  Not sure how they would do that on that side of the stadium.

No the club won’t be doing that, most likely to be corporate and luxury seating 

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