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Safe standing - time to act

By Safe Standing Roadshow, in Leicester City Forum

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MarriedaLeicesterGirl

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8 minutes ago, kristianity77 said:

What does this typically increase capacity by over the area of seating it replaces, anyone know?  So if you took out 1000 seats, what could you have standing, 1200 etc?

I think it doesn't currently in the UK. In Germany it is usually 1 5 to 1, and 2 to one in some places.

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yorkie1999

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4 hours ago, purpleronnie said:

 

that's being marketed as something slightly different, probably so as not to upset the Hillsborough committee. What they're saying is it's still an all seater but with protection barriers when you jump up. 

 I know it's only a thought but, once safe standing is installed at a ground, does that mean there then becomes unsafe standing, i.e. at the king power, fans stand in L1, K1, most of the back sections of the Kop and all the away section, If they were to fill the kop with rail seating, 8000 odd, what happens in the other sections? will they be forced to stay seated? which wouldn't go down very well with the fans that stand in L1/K1.  

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Freeman's Wharfer

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2 hours ago, yorkie1999 said:

that's being marketed as something slightly different, probably so as not to upset the Hillsborough committee. What they're saying is it's still an all seater but with protection barriers when you jump up. 

 I know it's only a thought but, once safe standing is installed at a ground, does that mean there then becomes unsafe standing, i.e. at the king power, fans stand in L1, K1, most of the back sections of the Kop and all the away section, If they were to fill the kop with rail seating, 8000 odd, what happens in the other sections? will they be forced to stay seated? which wouldn't go down very well with the fans that stand in L1/K1.  

K1/L1 is going to be killed with the stadium expansion. The club have got to get it right when they decide where to encourage people to relocate and introducing a safe standing section next to the away end at the same time would prevent the problems of people standing outside of the safe standing area.
 

 

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8 minutes ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

K1/L1 is going to be killed with the stadium expansion. The club have got to get it right when they decide where to encourage people to relocate and introducing a safe standing section next to the away end at the same time would prevent the problems of people standing outside of the safe standing area.
 

 

I'm afraid that will never happen.

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1 hour ago, Freeman's Wharfer said:

K1/L1 is going to be killed with the stadium expansion. The club have got to get it right when they decide where to encourage people to relocate and introducing a safe standing section next to the away end at the same time would prevent the problems of people standing outside of the safe standing area.
 

 

I’d assume when the stadium does get expanded, the east stand will be corporate where the new stand meets it which will certainly put a damper standing in that stand. I can’t see them moving the away fans because of access and being able to get them on buses quickly, but I also can’t see a standing section in the family stand, unless they plan on putting the family stand up in the new stand, which would make sense.

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From the stadium expansion FAQ:

 

Have you considered safe standing?

We recognise that safe standing is an important topic for supporters and one which LCFC is considering having already undertaken a study of rail seating, which included engagement with fans. We will undertake further fan consultation on rail seating in due course, in addition to our ongoing discussions with the relevant bodies including the Safety Advisory Group (SAG) and the Sports Grounds Safety Authority (SGSA).

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2 hours ago, Beechey said:

From the stadium expansion FAQ:

 

Have you considered safe standing?

We recognise that safe standing is an important topic for supporters and one which LCFC is considering having already undertaken a study of rail seating, which included engagement with fans. We will undertake further fan consultation on rail seating in due course, in addition to our ongoing discussions with the relevant bodies including the Safety Advisory Group (SAG) and the Sports Grounds Safety Authority (SGSA).

I believe that there is a succinct, indeed one-worded, translation for this paragraph. 

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Sol thewall Bamba

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As Fabrizio Romano would say, here we go.

 

Very distinct difference between "safe standing" and the rail seats that have been installed at half a dozen clubs.

 

This will mean a change in legislation and will mean standing sections will be legal and can be advertised as such. 

 

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SemperEadem

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32 minutes ago, Sol thewall Bamba said:

As Fabrizio Romano would say, here we go.

 

Very distinct difference between "safe standing" and the rail seats that have been installed at half a dozen clubs.

 

This will mean a change in legislation and will mean standing sections will be legal and can be advertised as such. 

 

Really poor photo to use on that article

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purpleronnie

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Just in case people haven't seen this.  Let's just hope when it happens the fans don't act like morons and ruin it.

 

Government plans to lift football standing ban

By Peter Saull
BBC political correspondent

Published 8 hours ago

Plans to lift the ban on standing in the English Premier League and Championship are set to be announced by the government, the BBC has learned.

It is thought a handful of grounds will be able to use designated safe standing areas before the end of the season.

It would mean for the first time in over 25 years, fans of some top flight football clubs would be legally allowed to stand and watch their team play.

An official announcement is expected as soon as next month.

The chairman of the Football Supporters Association, Malcolm Clarke, said it was a "welcome" development that would benefit all fans.

He added: "People who want to stand should be able to do so in safety. Those who want to sit should be able to do so without having their view blocked."

 

Since 1994, first and second tier grounds in England and Wales have been required to be all-seaters by law.

However, thousands of supporters continue to stand throughout matches.

In their 2019 general election manifesto, the Conservatives promised to work towards the introduction of safe standing areas, which have been embraced in the German Bundesliga, as well as in Scotland - where around 3,000 Celtic fans have been allowed to make use of a safe standing section since 2016.

Now, the BBC understands ministers will instructs the regulator, the Sports Ground Safety Authority (SGSA), to choose "early adopters" for the trials.

And while they are keen to proceed with caution, if the initial trials prove successful, the expectation is legislation would be widened out to cover all stadiums in England's top two divisions within the next few years.

A spokesperson for the Sports Ground Safety Authority said: "We are working closely with the government on planning the next steps for implementing this manifesto commitment."

'Move forward'

Both Labour and the Liberal Democrats also went into the last election with a pledge to update the legislation that was introduced in the wake of the Hillsborough disaster in 1989, which led to the deaths of 97 Liverpool fans.

As a result, the relatives of the Hillsborough victims have had long-term concerns about standing in football grounds.

But Margaret Aspinall, whose son died as a result of Hillsborough, now accepts the arguments for a change in legislation.

She said: "People's opinions have changed. You've got to move forward with the times."

 

In anticipation of the change in legislation, Manchester United, Manchester City, Liverpool and Chelsea have all installed rail seating over the summer.

The clubs had all been identified by the SGSA as having a problem with persistent standing.

The new seats are incorporated into a waist high rail for the supporters behind to lean on.

This means supporters who prefer to stay on their feet occupy the same amount of space as those that would rather sit, avoiding any danger of overcrowding.

Liverpool invited Ms Aspinall and other Hillsborough relatives to see the new rail seats in the Kop end of the Anfield football ground earlier this month and the families are now largely on board with the initiative.

But there are concerns the plans don't go far enough.

Labour MP Alex Norris, who is the vice-chair of the All Parliamentary Group for Football Supporters, backs safe standing but believes it should not be confined to the home team's seating areas.

He added: "I've never sat down at an away ground. This alone won't solve the problem."

'Arguments have been won'

It is understood that Premier League and Championship clubs will be invited to register an interest to be part of the trial in the coming months.

But clubs that have already installed rail seating aren't guaranteed to be selected.

Those that are successful will be granted updated licences that would only allow standing in specially designated areas - which would not require a major legislative change.

Surveys show that safe standing is overwhelmingly popular among football fans.

The FSA's Mr Clarke said: "The safety and customer care arguments have been won. We would urge the Department of Culture, Media and Sport to proceed as soon as possible."

In an interview in the Times, Culture Secretary Oliver Dowden said: "It's the sensible thing to do because fans are standing all the way through [games] anyway and you can do it in a safer way.

"We've got terrible experience in the past and more recent experience with things like the Euros, which just means we need to make sure we get this right.

"We're engaging with the police and others, but we'll get to the stage this season where we'll see safe-standing, at least in pilot form."

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https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/58648153

 

Premier League and Championship clubs have been asked for expressions of interest to pilot safe standing areas this season.

Clubs have until 6 October to submit an application to the Sports Ground Safety Authority (SGSA).

"If approved, they will be able to offer licensed standing areas from 1 January 2022," said the SGSA.

Since 1994, first and second-tier grounds in England and Wales have been required to be all-seaters by law.

Standing in English football's top two divisions was outlawed following recommendations made in the Taylor Report into the 1989 Hillsborough disaster, in which 97 Liverpool fans lost their lives.

In recent seasons, campaigners have called for standing to be allowed in grounds once again. Barrier seating has been developed to provide seats which can also be converted to standing areas.

In 2018, new guidance from the SGSA, the body in charge of ground safety, allowed the use of rail seats.

The Conservatives promised to work towards the introduction of safe standing areas in their 2019 general election manifesto and, if the initial trials prove successful, legislation could be introduced for all stadiums in England's top two divisions within the next few years.

The SGSA said the announcement of the pilot scheme "starts the legal process needed for clubs to offer licensed standing areas from 1 January".

"We have been clear that we will work with fans and clubs towards introducing safe standing at football grounds providing there was evidence that installing seating with barriers would have a positive impact on crowd safety," said UK sports minister Nigel Huddleston.

"With independent research now complete, and capacity crowds back at grounds across the country, now is the right time to make progress."

Premier League clubs Chelsea, Liverpool, Manchester City, Manchester United, Tottenham and Wolves have all had rail seating installed at their grounds.

The criteria for clubs

Clubs that want to take part in the scheme need to fulfil a number of criteria which the SGSA says includes:

  • Having seats with barriers/independent barriers - which must be in both home and away sections
  • Fans must be able to sit or stand in the licensed area
  • Seats cannot be locked in the 'up' or 'down' position and there must be one seat/space per person
  • The licensed standing areas must not impact the viewing standards of other fans, including disabled fans
  • There must be a code of conduct in place for fans in the licensed standing area
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12 minutes ago, FoxesFourLife said:

Thay need to put the safe standing in the top tear of the new stand will not interfere with other people's enjoyment of the match.

The most likely place will be SK1/G1 corner behind the corner flag, meaning the standing area will not hinder the view of any seated areas. You could fit a decent sized 1-1.5k standing end there.

 

The only issue there is people who don’t want to stand will have to move.

 

The main problem they’ll have overall is they’ll always have a reasonably sized element that insist on standing next to the away end, I can’t really see how they cater for that with a standing area without moving the away end round more into the family stand and making a near mirror home standing area in the north east corner or they make the whole North stand a safe standing area which would never happen as good as it would be. 

 

 

 

 

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