Carlo Ancelotti

[st albans fox]

1 hour ago, lcfcsnow said:

If I was a multi millionaire club owner which had won the league but was in freefall I'd make the changes required to sort it out. I'm in no way in the know but from the outside the owners seem too loyal to the wrong people currently who make these decisions for them.

 

In south east Asia, trust in your employee is often considered more important than competence !!

[ronnup]

In what universe do people think he'd want the Leicester job. Insanity. 

[Happy Fox]

2 minutes ago, ronnup said:

In what universe do people think he'd want the Leicester job. Insanity. 

 

He's quoted as saying he wants to manage in the premier league.. (we are still a premier league team are we not?) 

[Fox92]

4 hours ago, Babylon said:

That's below us in the table, with an expensive team and loads of flops.

Below us in the table by a point.

 

At least Howe would play football. And it'd be fast and attacking. It'd be better than the shit we've churned out for the past 6 or 7 months.

[Samilktray]

He'll end up back at Chelsea when Conte leaves if he wants a return to England 

[st albans fox]

7 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

 

He's quoted as saying he wants to manage in the premier league.. (we are still a premier league team are we not?) 

At the moment we are. but I would suggest he would want a safer bet than we look to be! take out the obvious season and check out our points per game return. 

[Bob Weasel Fox]

29 minutes ago, Fox92 said:

Below us in the table by a point.

 

At least Howe would play football. And it'd be fast and attacking. It'd be better than the shit we've churned out for the past 6 or 7 months.

Totally agree bud

[dylanlegend]

8 hours ago, Worthington said:

I may have health issues, but they're physical not mental...I'm also, certainly NOT '****ng stupid' !!

The Thais have, in recent times, 'sold' this club to both SGE and CR. irrespective of the outcome of their relevant terms of office, they were tempted to come here...Both can be considered as 'big name' coaches !

To rule out an approach for Ancelotti is naïve...There is absolutely no reason to rule out LCFC making an approach..Yes, would probably, politely, refuse...but you can't say for definite that he wouldn't accept!

Humbly and politely suggest you pull back on the personal insults...makes you look a bit of a fool !

Apologies for the insults but I do find he suggestion crazy.

 

SGE and CR came to us years after their prime. It wasn't like 'top' teams were after them and people even questioned why we would appoint CR after his recent bad terms.

 

Ancellotti is the next level. He's still at the top of his game. We may have rich owners but they aren't as rich as people think, they've invested loads into us but again nowhere near the 'top' level investment of teams like Man City etc. 

 

People have been saying we have gone backwards after winning the league. Of course we have!?! It was one season where everything went perfect for us, we can't sustain that success on 1/10 of the budget the top 5 teams spend.

 

I'm not saying we should be signing everyone for 50m and offering £250k a week but this is why 'top level' managers wouldn't come 

[Chico1958]

Lets go and find out who Southampton have lined up and get him..........

 

I'd forgotten about Villa Boas and I'd have Ancelotti in a heartbeat

 

Just don't see it happening unfortunately

[Guest]

Let's not fire Shakey until we have a concrete assurance from a much better manager/coach.

[Sionnach gorm]

2 hours ago, Samilktray said:

He'll end up back at Chelsea when Conte leaves if he wants a return to England 

Ancelotti never goes back...at least he's claimed that.  He'd most likely pick Tottenham or Arsenal over Chelsea.  He's a little more "grudgeful" than Ranieri who's gone back to teams and still considers tools like Abramovich as a friend.  

Ancelotti is a nice fellow, but won't let himself be sacked twice by the same team.  

If we don't keep Shakey, then we need to approach him now.  Worse thing that can happen is we get a no.

[Sionnach gorm]

Just to show why we have a chance:

 

Ancelotti quoted in 2011.

 

"I would coach West Ham - why not,” Ancelotti told News of the World.

"It's a challenge to manage a team outside of the top four and even in the Championship.

"The atmosphere at West Ham is amazing and I can say the same about football in the Championship.

"I have respect for every team and the job of my colleagues. It is the same and it doesn't matter if you can manage a top team or a smaller team."

 

Does this give us a reason to ask if he'd be interested?  I think so.

[somebum]

None of our current players would have any excuses for not performing if Carlo comes here. A manager who has won everything, knows exactly what he's doing.. any lack of performance could not be excused. 

 

They need to go all out for this guy.. offer him 50m sweetener 

[CosbehFox]

2 minutes ago, somebum said:

None of our current players would have any excuses for not performing if Carlo comes here. A manager who has won everything, knows exactly what he's doing.. any lack of performance could not be excused. 

 

They need to go all out for this guy.. offer him 50m sweetener 

Great manager but he's actually notoriously soft. Apparently this what caused issues at Bayern as the previous manager was a complete obbessive (Pep)

[Wymsey]

Give him pre-paid-for annual access to Brucciani's and the San Carlo's restaurant, on top of his salary, and it'll be icing on the cake imo.

[l444ry]

16 hours ago, norwichfox said:

Didn't he buy Schlupp for around £12 million......just saying

If that's the jewel in the crown evidence for the prosecution against Sam then I rest my case Your Honour. 

[Sionnach gorm]

Still keep looking and I hear no team has approached him about a managing job.  

 

Has anyone read anything that might say what Ancelotti's plans are for the future?

 

Maybe every team is happy at the moment.  

[Gearoid]

Luis Enrique anyone?

[Stadt]

Bayern played started having secret training sessions because they let that Ancelotti wasn't coaching them properly, probably not the same without Clement. Ancelotti's had a brilliant career but I just don't think it'd work here not that he'd even entertain the idea 

[HoustonFox]

On 9/30/2017 at 16:15, norwichfox said:

Didn't he buy Schlupp for around £12 million......just saying

That was the first round of his interview with us!

 

On 10/1/2017 at 03:51, st albans fox said:

 

In south east Asia, trust in your employee is often considered more important than competence !!

 

I remember this was said when Claudio was struggling and look how much time they gave him when lots on here were calling time on him early.  The owners held on as long as they could with Claudio, it took the players (allegedly) to have a full on muting (allegedly) before the owners would cut him.  I sense that Shakey will be given a lot more time that people on here want.  We also have to remember how overwhelmingly popular (on here) his appointment was.  That may have been based on his results as caretaker (Liverpool, Sevilla second leg, and Atleti especially) or just an "anyone is better than CR" viewpoint.  I'm sure some on here will be all "I never wanted him".  BS - he had about an 85+% approval rating at the time, meyself included.

 

What I was sold on was his desire to play attacking football with flair.  I'm not seeing that at all based on the evidence this season (I include what can be classed as a pretty underwhelming preseason too in that) and barring the 3 games I mentioned above (4 if you count both Atleti legs) last season too.  Time for him to put his foot down and stamp his authority on this team.  I'm not seeing one the pitch what I'm hearing off it (CS is one of the best coaches to come through the pro license etc). 

 

On 10/1/2017 at 04:07, Fox92 said:

Below us in the table by a point.

 

At least Howe would play football. And it'd be fast and attacking. It'd be better than the shit we've churned out for the past 6 or 7 months.

Agree on a Howe type manager but not Howe himself.  I think that he is part of a new breed but it's been proven that he and Bournemouth are a match (look at how he got homesick at Burnley etc).  I love his mentality, attention to detail (as has been pointed out in this thread) but maybe not him as an individual.  I really wanted CS to be our Howe.  It's not happening.  

 

FWIW, I'd like an up and coming German coach to come in.  I think they have the balance of tactics, motivation, worth ethic and discipline that suits our style of hard running committed play, but also balances the fans' desire to play real football.  That's what Wagner has drummed into Huddersfield, that's what Nagelsman does at Hoffenheim.  There is an awesome German documentary on Netflix called "Trainer!" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trainer! that I really recommend watching, some like (not necessarily him) Frank Schmidt at Heidenheim is the sort of character I would like to see: passionate, inspiring and tactically astute - I say not him as he is,  to me, the German Eddie Howe.  Found the club that fits him.

 

I'd like @MC Prussian and @ZeGuy to weigh in on my German coaching thoughts (and to see if they've seen that doco).

[midland_red]

On 01/10/2017 at 08:51, st albans fox said:

 

In south east Asia, trust in your employee is often considered more important than competence !!

This point is so important - I've kept pointing this out to people. And that loyalty and trust is exemplary really, just that is is a real problem when you need to hold someone accountable

[ZeGuy]

15 hours ago, HoustonFox said:

That was the first round of his interview with us!

 

 

I remember this was said when Claudio was struggling and look how much time they gave him when lots on here were calling time on him early.  The owners held on as long as they could with Claudio, it took the players (allegedly) to have a full on muting (allegedly) before the owners would cut him.  I sense that Shakey will be given a lot more time that people on here want.  We also have to remember how overwhelmingly popular (on here) his appointment was.  That may have been based on his results as caretaker (Liverpool, Sevilla second leg, and Atleti especially) or just an "anyone is better than CR" viewpoint.  I'm sure some on here will be all "I never wanted him".  BS - he had about an 85+% approval rating at the time, meyself included.

 

What I was sold on was his desire to play attacking football with flair.  I'm not seeing that at all based on the evidence this season (I include what can be classed as a pretty underwhelming preseason too in that) and barring the 3 games I mentioned above (4 if you count both Atleti legs) last season too.  Time for him to put his foot down and stamp his authority on this team.  I'm not seeing one the pitch what I'm hearing off it (CS is one of the best coaches to come through the pro license etc). 

 

Agree on a Howe type manager but not Howe himself.  I think that he is part of a new breed but it's been proven that he and Bournemouth are a match (look at how he got homesick at Burnley etc).  I love his mentality, attention to detail (as has been pointed out in this thread) but maybe not him as an individual.  I really wanted CS to be our Howe.  It's not happening.  

 

FWIW, I'd like an up and coming German coach to come in.  I think they have the balance of tactics, motivation, worth ethic and discipline that suits our style of hard running committed play, but also balances the fans' desire to play real football.  That's what Wagner has drummed into Huddersfield, that's what Nagelsman does at Hoffenheim.  There is an awesome German documentary on Netflix called "Trainer!" https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Trainer! that I really recommend watching, some like (not necessarily him) Frank Schmidt at Heidenheim is the sort of character I would like to see: passionate, inspiring and tactically astute - I say not him as he is,  to me, the German Eddie Howe.  Found the club that fits him.

 

I'd like @MC Prussian and @ZeGuy to weigh in on my German coaching thoughts (and to see if they've seen that doco).

Don't follow the 2. Bundesliga and my knowledge about F. Schmidt is really limited. But from what I read, Heidenheim was in 2004 in the Oberliga (Bade-Wüttemberg) which is the fifth tier in the german system and about three levels above from where I played as amateur. To think that they're playing in the 2. Bundesliga in such a short time, without having a monster like Red Bull or Audi behind them is quite amazing, even if the jump to the first League will have to wait a bit longer.

 

That said I personally think it'd be too much of a gamble to bring a manager who never managed in a first league. The 2. Bundesliga is simply not the PL. If we had to bring a Schmidt on the Roger one would have my preference. He's for me the german version of Marcelo Bielsa, as passionate and as tactically astute and the same bit of a wild card. If someone can bring back the bloke from China (told you he's a wild card), that'd be great. 

 

My ideal german coach would be Nagelsman though. Let's see what MC Prussian have to say about that.

[The Doctor]

16 hours ago, HoustonFox said:

What I was sold on was his desire to play attacking football with flair.  I'm not seeing that at all based on the evidence this season (I include what can be classed as a pretty underwhelming preseason too in that) and barring the 3 games I mentioned above (4 if you count both Atleti legs) last season too.  Time for him to put his foot down and stamp his authority on this team.  I'm not seeing one the pitch what I'm hearing off it (CS is one of the best coaches to come through the pro license etc). 

Absolutely spot on, I was quite enthused for him after he started playing fast, attacking football. He talked of playing with flair, that we have to play fast and on the front foot and that excited me, that's what I want to see. What I'm seeing instead is a manager setting up to contain first and foremost, to play conservatively and just defend, the antithesis of what he sold himself with. People have talked about that defeat to spurs, and I'm starting to come round to that - he went gung ho and got smashed, I can't help but wonder if he lost his bottle and confidence in attacking football as a result.

[justfoxes]

Ancelotti would be my choice if we can pride him out of his season long retirement and keep him from wasting his talents in China !!

[justfoxes]

1 hour ago, The Doctor said:

Absolutely spot on, I was quite enthused for him after he started playing fast, attacking football. He talked of playing with flair, that we have to play fast and on the front foot and that excited me, that's what I want to see. What I'm seeing instead is a manager setting up to contain first and foremost, to play conservatively and just defend, the antithesis of what he sold himself with. People have talked about that defeat to spurs, and I'm starting to come round to that - he went gung ho and got smashed, I can't help but wonder if he lost his bottle and confidence in attacking football as a result.

Totally agree we played some amazing football up until that nightmare against the Spuds end of last season and thinking the same that it rocked his confidence and which looks like it’s shown also with the squad, but at times we’ve played superb patches against Arsenal and Liverpool we’ve shown glimpses of performances past Shaky needs to give himself a kick up the Arse and the team and get them playing again because a few more games like the Bournemouth debacle could see us in such a precarious position a position we might not be able to fight our way out of this time !!

 

I think to that if we do lose against the Baggies then Shaky could be on his last chance saloon and the owners may say enough is enough, but knowing this squad and their Jekyll and Hyde performances they could 

give us and I’m hoping they do give us a brilliant performance and win the game but play like we did against Bournemouth and West Brom will kick the proverbial ? out of us so here’s hoping Shaky gets it right and gets us back to playing with flair and on the breaks !!