Puel

[Captain...]

9 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

Players will have seen Kasper and wilf pick up injuries that could scupper their WC campaigns - depends whether they feel the training regime is responsible or over exertion in games 

Kasper got injured because we were pissing about with the ball at the back and we aren't very good at it.

 

Players are more likely to look at that and think why the fvck are we asking Simpson and Morgan to play it out from the back, we are just asking for trouble...

 

...and we got it.

 

I would have a bit more patience with Puel if some of the decisions he made weren't so baffling.

 

Simpson cannot play as an attacking right back, Albrighton cannot play as a right back, Morgan cannot play as a ball playing centre back, anyone with half a brain can see that.

Edited 30 April 2018 by Captain...

[MC Prussian]

1 minute ago, daddylonglegs said:

He is now. He didn't used to be.

 

Because he's a professional footballer. It's literally his job. I'm not accusing him of not trying. I'm accusing him of being shite.

 

Didn't he throttle his ex girlfriend?

 

 

So, according to you, Simpson is „shite“. How is a 31-year old „shite“ full-back supposed to play better in a position he‘s not accustomed to? How does that work?

 

With regards to his private problems, as disgusting as it is, he came out a better footballer. „History“ to me alludes to a series of incidents, not just one occasion - three years ago. And we‘ll never know the full truth because it‘s his word against hers.

[Captain...]

2 minutes ago, MC Prussian said:

because it‘s his word against hers.

...and she said he didn't do it.

 

[Kitchandro]

1 minute ago, MC Prussian said:

So, according to you, Simpson is „shite“. How is a 31-year old „shite“ full-back supposed to play better in a position he‘s not accustomed to? How does that work?

 

With regards to his private problems, as disgusting as it is, he came out a better footballer. „History“ to me alludes to a series of incidents, not just one occasion - three years ago. And we‘ll never know the full truth because it‘s his word against hers.

Actually it was the police’s (eye witness) word against no ones. They saw him do it and had to stop him.

 

But apparently that’s not a sackable offence. To be sacked you need to be in the same room as someone saying something racist.

[Kitchandro]

Just now, Captain... said:

...and she said he didn't do it.

 

I wonder why. Not like he has money or anything.

[Captain...]

Just now, Kitchandro said:

I wonder why. Not like he has money or anything.

I'm sure she had her reasons, but if the victim (who I think got back together with him) is saying nothing happened then it possibly wasn't as serious and despicable as the press made out.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

On 29/04/2018 at 16:15, Dr The Singh said:

Rumours are that the owners want to keep him and invest in him for next season.

Oh dear ??‍♂️

 

Ive heard the opposite 

Edited 30 April 2018 by NotTheMarketLeader

[MC Prussian]

10 minutes ago, Kitchandro said:

Actually it was the police’s (eye witness) word against no ones. They saw him do it and had to stop him.

 

But apparently that’s not a sackable offence. To be sacked you need to be in the same room as someone saying something racist.

 

10 minutes ago, Captain... said:

...and she said he didn't do it.

 

I don‘t recall the full story, so apologies for putting things together from memory.

 

The only other two (unrelated) incidents I found were him getting in trouble for dangerous driving in 2011 and that Snapchat thing last year.

[RODNEY FERNIO]

Got told indirectly by a source inside the club that Kasper has been fit for some time

but Puel won't play him following a disagreement between the two.

[foxinsocks]

Looking at the lcfc  weekend reaction email they are allowing puel to state his defence.  I expected them to sack him  by email

[st albans fox]

54 minutes ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

Got told indirectly by a source inside the club that Kasper has been fit for some time

but Puel won't play him following a disagreement between the two.

some time?

 

he only got injured two weeks ago ..............

[lgfualol]

1 hour ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

Got told indirectly by a source inside the club that Kasper has been fit for some time

but Puel won't play him following a disagreement between the two.

Probs because he has been awful for most games

[Clever Fox]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

Players will have seen Kasper and wilf pick up injuries that could scupper their WC campaigns - depends whether they feel the training regime is responsible or over exertion in games 

Quite true, But the team has a myriad of problems right now. Most of which are not of Puels making.

The question now is can Puel deal with the press he's currently under. Can he see the problems and address them. Will he be given the time and money to do so.

 

Edited 30 April 2018 by Clever Fox

[HankMarvin]

1 hour ago, MC Prussian said:

So, according to you, Simpson is „shite“. How is a 31-year old „shite“ full-back supposed to play better in a position he‘s not accustomed to? How does that work?

 

With regards to his private problems, as disgusting as it is, he came out a better footballer. „History“ to me alludes to a series of incidents, not just one occasion - three years ago. And we‘ll never know the full truth because it‘s his word against hers.

To be fair he got prosecuted thats a bit more that his word against hers

[StanSP]

34 minutes ago, HankMarvin said:

To be fair he got prosecuted thats a bit more that his word against hers

didn't the charges get dropped eventually? may be getting mixed up with another story tbh. 

[oxford blue]

5 minutes ago, StanSP said:

didn't the charges get dropped eventually? may be getting mixed up with another story tbh. 

You are. He was found guilty of assault.

 

However, 

2 hours ago, daddylonglegs said:

Didn't he throttle his ex girlfriend?

 

Relevance into his competence as a fullback?

 

He might not be the attacking fullback Puel wants but he should have played Saturday against a team with the attacking ability of Zaha, Townsend, Loftus-Cheek. Albrighton demonstrated earlier in the season he is not a defender.

[ithuriel]

2 hours ago, NotTheMarketLeader said:

Oh dear ??‍♂️

 

Ive heard the opposite 

I've heard the opposite too, dead man walking.

[The Wizard]

2 hours ago, RODNEY FERNIO said:

Got told indirectly by a source inside the club that Kasper has been fit for some time

but Puel won't play him following a disagreement between the two.

Wow, really...!, Well my sisters boyfriend who knows a man who does the gardening for a woman who's friend is a cook at the training ground said that their is two sauces down their...Red n Brown !

[orangecity23]

The biggest worry for me is the way the team seems to have no clue what they are supposed to be doing off the ball recently. Our shape is completely undisciplined, the first goal against Palace was down to Morgan wandering over to the right, the midfield dropping back into the box in a vain attempt to cover the gap, and Maguire and Chillwell shuffling right leaving an enormous gap on the left side which Palace easily exploited by passing sideways a little and finishing easily in acres of space.

 

Likewise, against Burnley, the first goal came from both CBs charging forwards into a gaping hole in midfield whilst the full backs were left behind by the total abandonment of any semblance of a defensive line, leaving a massive gap behing the CBs for Chris Wood to stroll through and score. First goal against Newcastle, shape all over the place again, as Morgan wanders into midfield again, and the ball goes sailing over his head to a Newcastle player to exploit.

 

We never seem to press the opposition higher up the pitch any more, and when we do press it is a disjointed half hearted effort, a far cry from the co-ordinated "hunting in packs" of the title winning season. Liverpool, Man City and (yuck) Spurs all press aggressively, so there is no reason why "possession football" has to be wedded to placid, gentle backing off when we don't have the ball.

 

When we are on the ball as well, the shape is still a cluster****. Mahrez spends half his time cocking around in central midfield, causing absolutely zero danger in an area overcrowded with players, as we have zero width apart from Simpson on the right. We have no chance of launching a counter attack, as Mahrez is never in the position to be able to do any damage half the time. Gray on the left seems a waste of time, providing zero width and having to cut inside on his right foot into traffic all the time, except when he stays wide as Chillwell is trying to push forwards, forcing Chillwell to cut infield instead, followed by some swift backwards passing by the pair of them.

 

Puel's style looks a million miles away from the likes of Guardiola, Pochettino, Klopp or other successful Prem teams - he most resembles the very worst of the death throes of Wenger's Arsenal, a team which seems years out of date, but with players less suited for it, so we are performing like a crap approximation of a team of total failures (who we will be donating 3 points to shortly to end their run of no away wins all calendar year).

 

Forget getting new players in, Puel is demonstrating he seems to have no concept of how to even organise the ones he has, putting better ones in will just lead to an equally disorganised shambles with slightly better dribbling ability. No manager worth their salt would ever send out a team which looked as poorly prepared and drilled as us against Palace on Saturday.

[NotTheMarketLeader]

16 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

The biggest worry for me is the way the team seems to have no clue what they are supposed to be doing off the ball recently. Our shape is completely undisciplined, the first goal against Palace was down to Morgan wandering over to the right, the midfield dropping back into the box in a vain attempt to cover the gap, and Maguire and Chillwell shuffling right leaving an enormous gap on the left side which Palace easily exploited by passing sideways a little and finishing easily in acres of space.

 

Likewise, against Burnley, the first goal came from both CBs charging forwards into a gaping hole in midfield whilst the full backs were left behind by the total abandonment of any semblance of a defensive line, leaving a massive gap behing the CBs for Chris Wood to stroll through and score. First goal against Newcastle, shape all over the place again, as Morgan wanders into midfield again, and the ball goes sailing over his head to a Newcastle player to exploit.

 

We never seem to press the opposition higher up the pitch any more, and when we do press it is a disjointed half hearted effort, a far cry from the co-ordinated "hunting in packs" of the title winning season. Liverpool, Man City and (yuck) Spurs all press aggressively, so there is no reason why "possession football" has to be wedded to placid, gentle backing off when we don't have the ball.

 

When we are on the ball as well, the shape is still a cluster****. Mahrez spends half his time cocking around in central midfield, causing absolutely zero danger in an area overcrowded with players, as we have zero width apart from Simpson on the right. We have no chance of launching a counter attack, as Mahrez is never in the position to be able to do any damage half the time. Gray on the left seems a waste of time, providing zero width and having to cut inside on his right foot into traffic all the time, except when he stays wide as Chillwell is trying to push forwards, forcing Chillwell to cut infield instead, followed by some swift backwards passing by the pair of them.

 

Puel's style looks a million miles away from the likes of Guardiola, Pochettino, Klopp or other successful Prem teams - he most resembles the very worst of the death throes of Wenger's Arsenal, a team which seems years out of date, but with players less suited for it, so we are performing like a crap approximation of a team of total failures (who we will be donating 3 points to shortly to end their run of no away wins all calendar year).

 

Forget getting new players in, Puel is demonstrating he seems to have no concept of how to even organise the ones he has, putting better ones in will just lead to an equally disorganised shambles with slightly better dribbling ability. No manager worth their salt would ever send out a team which looked as poorly prepared and drilled as us against Palace on Saturday.

???

[Col city fan]

14 minutes ago, orangecity23 said:

The biggest worry for me is the way the team seems to have no clue what they are supposed to be doing off the ball recently. Our shape is completely undisciplined, the first goal against Palace was down to Morgan wandering over to the right, the midfield dropping back into the box in a vain attempt to cover the gap, and Maguire and Chillwell shuffling right leaving an enormous gap on the left side which Palace easily exploited by passing sideways a little and finishing easily in acres of space.

 

Likewise, against Burnley, the first goal came from both CBs charging forwards into a gaping hole in midfield whilst the full backs were left behind by the total abandonment of any semblance of a defensive line, leaving a massive gap behing the CBs for Chris Wood to stroll through and score. First goal against Newcastle, shape all over the place again, as Morgan wanders into midfield again, and the ball goes sailing over his head to a Newcastle player to exploit.

 

We never seem to press the opposition higher up the pitch any more, and when we do press it is a disjointed half hearted effort, a far cry from the co-ordinated "hunting in packs" of the title winning season. Liverpool, Man City and (yuck) Spurs all press aggressively, so there is no reason why "possession football" has to be wedded to placid, gentle backing off when we don't have the ball.

 

When we are on the ball as well, the shape is still a cluster****. Mahrez spends half his time cocking around in central midfield, causing absolutely zero danger in an area overcrowded with players, as we have zero width apart from Simpson on the right. We have no chance of launching a counter attack, as Mahrez is never in the position to be able to do any damage half the time. Gray on the left seems a waste of time, providing zero width and having to cut inside on his right foot into traffic all the time, except when he stays wide as Chillwell is trying to push forwards, forcing Chillwell to cut infield instead, followed by some swift backwards passing by the pair of them.

 

Puel's style looks a million miles away from the likes of Guardiola, Pochettino, Klopp or other successful Prem teams - he most resembles the very worst of the death throes of Wenger's Arsenal, a team which seems years out of date, but with players less suited for it, so we are performing like a crap approximation of a team of total failures (who we will be donating 3 points to shortly to end their run of no away wins all calendar year).

 

Forget getting new players in, Puel is demonstrating he seems to have no concept of how to even organise the ones he has, putting better ones in will just lead to an equally disorganised shambles with slightly better dribbling ability. No manager worth their salt would ever send out a team which looked as poorly prepared and drilled as us against Palace on Saturday.

Good point. This ‘not knowing what to do off the ball’ was a feature of the latter days of Claudio. You could just see it. The players were confused.

Some managers do seem to make tactics excessively complicated. This City side has played its best football over recent years, when it’s been kept simple and they’ve all known their roles.

They seem bewildered again.

[FrankieADZ]

well the more i hear stuff come out Puel mouth i wonder if hes not going a bit nuts, 

 

saying hes puzzled by the reaction of dragovic being dropped and Morgan being brought back in, 

I guess he watches a different game to us lot and didnt say the mistakes hes made in recent games either

Edited 30 April 2018 by FrankieADZ

[vanity]

3 hours ago, Captain... said:

 

I would have a bit more patience with Puel if some of the decisions he made weren't so baffling.

 

Simpson cannot play as an attacking right back, Albrighton cannot play as a right back, Morgan cannot play as a ball playing centre back, anyone with half a brain can see that.

This is the heart of things. I am all-in* on Puel, as I think he can create the sort of strategic advantage that can sustain us. But if we move on, fine, but we need someone better we can commit to. You are absolutely right that we lack the players to play his system, and his personnel decisions are f'ing inscrutable at times. FFS, (1) we need to have at least one CM who can handle the ball capably EVERY F'ING GAME, the Chelsea draw notwithstanding, that means Iborra or Silva, and one is hurt, and (2) just getting up shots is irrelevant, we need players who can score taking shots, it does us no good to have players like Chilwell, Maguire, Simpson, Albrighton, etc. putting up shots, these guys are playing on the backline partially bc they aren't goal-scorers.

 

Even Maguire, who I love on this side, sure, he can get fwd and use his head, but he's not quality with the ball at his feet if we need a goal. Chilwell is the same, I keep hearing how Chilwell is exactly what Puel wants in a RB, and all I can think is "what, an avg Prem defender who doesn't score goals or meaningfully participate in the attack?"

 

In isolation, this is not a problem, we are getting better players. And our squad has some whiny quitters on it, let's not kid ourselves. But I keep coming back to something critical:

 

CLAUDE SEEMS WHOLLY INCAPABLE OF EITHER INSPIRING OR LEADING MEN.

 

He seems arrogant and detached, as though he needn't trouble with tending to the players as human beings, and the communication failures.have lost him the locker room veterans from all reports.

 

So I am at a bit of a loss. Puel's can make us very good if the players buy in, and he is a helluva teacher. Christ, what he did after a couple weeks at the helm was unreal in terms of getting players who couldn't string 2 passes together to play deft, attacking possession football. But if he cannot improve his communication, if he's going to lose the locker room this easily, if he is t going to improve his English this summer, he needs to f'ing go.

 

Let's be clear, that doesn't mean the players aren't more to blame than Puel. They are. But his failings are fatal if uncorrected. If he can plausibly resolve to do so, I say keep him (unless we can get Benitez or someone of that stature). But these players have just about killed 3 managers in 8 months. They are to blame for not playing hard. They are professionals, they owe the paying fans their best effort, win or lose. And we haven't gotten that since the Chelsea FA match, and that was an outlier, we've been going through the motions longer than that.

 

*he is focused on building a program top-to-bottom, rather than being focused exclusively on the senior club, he is a teacher who wants the freedom to develop and play younger players, he is a tactician who has taken smaller clubs and made runs deep into the CL, he is keen to prove he can do it at the Prem level but his rep isn't strong enough we'll have to worry about him leaving immediately, etc.

[st albans fox]

In case some of you missed my question earlier - which player has improved under his coaching?  Someone argued wilf but I’m not convinced by that. Surely he should have done something noticeable with some of our players by now? It can’t be taking all his time to change the style...... he surely has to work with the individuals aswell to affect that change effectively ?? 

[m4DD0gg]

How the hell is this moron not fired yet?!!?!