Puel In or Out - A simple Poll

[Sionnach gorm]

He’s a good manager.  Better than many out there, whom people seem to hold in higher regard. He needs to be given more time.

[st albans fox]

4 hours ago, reynard said:

This is an excellent and well put together post. I'm waiting to the end of the season before I come to any more positive conculsion. I do have my concerns though. At present I would say we're actually getting worse with each performance. As you say Puel has a vision and that is a good thing but it can soon become the opposite if that vision merely becomes blinkered so much that you can't see any other way when the one you believe in starts to fail and that is what I fear it is happening at the moment.

To put things into perspective we probably have the most talented squad of players we've had since the mid 1970s. Many are internationals, many have a lot of experience. They are quite capable of playing to a decent standard. it also a squad with the highest ever level of monetary investment we've ever seen. A good manager manages their resources to the best of their ability making the best use of the resources they have.

At the moment he simply isn't doing this. He talks about tempo but fails to deliver it and we play better when we have it. Had the Newcastle match been a one-off  or even one among say two or three then fair enough but there is a trend starting to develop of us not playing very well and being rather dull to watch quite a lot of the time. Yes we have picked up some results but we've been fortunate to do so in some cases.

I'm personally prepared to give him time but my belief in what he may achieve is rapidly diminishing. I'm starting to doubt that he's a man who can see past his own faults with humitilty and readjust his methods to best suit the players he has at his disposal.

What concerns me  quite a bit is should we start badly next season and fall into a relegation struggle I do not believe you can play your way out solely with very very slow sideways possession resulting in hardly any chances being created. You need to be able to mix it up a bit, we have the players to do this but Puel doesn't seem to want to use them that way.

 

I concur with most of this but perhaps he sees it more important for the players to effectively come to terms with the style he wants to play ( by persisting with it within competitive matches) so next season can be started in a better place rather than attempting to reach 7th this season (with the pre season aggro that would bring) and potentially not even doing so if Burnley win the majority of their games. 

 

He is perhaps looking at members of the current squad who he is not quite sure about - deciding if he does need to buy for that position or if the incumbent actually can get to grips with what he wants from them. 

 

I would be surprised if he is doing this without the board being aware - no doubt they want to finish 7th but hopefully they are in agreement. The prize of becoming a side consistently capable of challenging for cups and top six is surely worthwhile when juxtaposed against the current ‘malaise’ in our performances as we attempt to transform. 

 

If he is doing it without communicating effectively to both board and players then he is a ‘dead man walking’ !

 

[Clever Fox]

Be simply has to be given a chance to improve things further. So far he's done ok, But it's not his fault that he inherited a squad with 6/7 players not fit for purpose. 

The closer we get to the top the smaller the margin for error are, As Stoke and West Brom have found out after a few seasons of trying to break through. To do it you either buy big or develop a squad over a few seasons as Pearson done.

Purl has the credentials to deliver, he's a top Coach with a proven record for improving players of all skill levels. What he may lack is the ability to man manage players like Pearson or Mon. That's were a good no 2 comes in. To keep the players working from the same page and maintaining harmony in the squad.

Success is built over time, there's rarely any shortcuts.

Our great league win actually started in league one. We're now in the early days of a new  journey. Puel 

has to be given at least this Summer to move players out and bring his own targets in.

Then and only then can we fairly judge the Man.

[reynard]

5 hours ago, st albans fox said:

I concur with most of this but perhaps he sees it more important for the players to effectively come to terms with the style he wants to play ( by persisting with it within competitive matches) so next season can be started in a better place rather than attempting to reach 7th this season (with the pre season aggro that would bring) and potentially not even doing so if Burnley win the majority of their games. 

 

He is perhaps looking at members of the current squad who he is not quite sure about - deciding if he does need to buy for that position or if the incumbent actually can get to grips with what he wants from them. 

 

I would be surprised if he is doing this without the board being aware - no doubt they want to finish 7th but hopefully they are in agreement. The prize of becoming a side consistently capable of challenging for cups and top six is surely worthwhile when juxtaposed against the current ‘malaise’ in our performances as we attempt to transform. 

 

If he is doing it without communicating effectively to both board and players then he is a ‘dead man walking’ !

 

There's a lot in what you say. I think the style will evolve but we will need to be able to mix up that style more than we currently are.  There is also the question of the level of investment needed and the current numbers of players in the squad. We have several players out on loan who it would appear either don't fit the required style or aren't good enough or both. One of those Puel has never seen play and another, though he knows him, has been on loan in France where he's had a poor season.

The return of these players seems quite likely as none seem to have done enough to date to persuade potential clubs to buy them off us. This will seriously hamper our recruitment if it happens.

My other concern though is I'm really not sure what identity Puel wants us to have as a footballing team. Slow based possession which it seems is where we are heading will require an investment in players quite beyond us. Man City spend around 50 million per player. yes they've been brilliant until late but that level of investment is not on our radar.

 

I thought last night's perfomance by Roma showed the way to play. High tempo but high quality with it. Not sure what the possession stats were but I guess they were not too different for either side. They certainly didn't dominate possession but had more than 30%. Whatever it was it certainly wasn't boring to watch and they destroyed a team regarded as one of the best in keeping possession and playing a high number of passes.

[Foxxed]

We were decent until we changed centre half and right back. It could be a coincidence but I'd like to see us play again with ball playing defenders. If we're still poor around Christmas and hovering in relegation then spin the manager merry-go-round once more.

[Guest]

In for me.

 

I have a few little doubts though.

 

I don't think Morgan should be in ahead of Dragovic. 

 

I'd play literally anyone ahead of Kasper right now too. He's cost us far too many points this season even when factoring in the points he's gained us (Brighton for eg)

 

I think Puel seems unwilling to affect the status quo re big figures in the dressing room. 

 

We aren't playing the most attractive football right now but when Shakespeare was sacked we had 6 points from 8 games, 37 in 24 is perfectly fine since. Two cup runs aswell and still in with a sniff of 7th/Europa. 

 

I don't mind him persisting with Gray and Chilwell as much as most people seem to. Young players will infuriate and make mistakes thats just part of adapting to top flight of professional football. 

 

I think it would be silly to sack him though. Mid table mediocrity maybe a bit alien for some of our more 'entitled' fans. 

[420Hashish]

What's with all these long ass comments?

[AlloverthefloorYesNdidi]

Puel out!....

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

...if you dont have a condom.

 

 

Sorry.

[shade]

On 07/04/2018 at 20:52, Donut said:

People are so hard wired and honestly, ignorant, they just arent willing to give anyone time to get their ideas over. Well, unless they play "the Leicester way" which has now become synonymous with passing the ball as little as is humanly possible, hoofing it from every area on the field in the hope one fast striker can score every single goal we score as a team, and making sure the team features at least 2 or 3 headless chickens at all times that will show PASSHHHUUNNN that they can shout at and relate to at all times because thats what football is to them.

 

Show them some little intricate movements, patient football, tactical flexibility etc, and that doesnt turn them on. You cant FVCKIN SHOUT at stuff like that, you cant GET MAD FVCK OFF REF FVCK OFF OPPONENTS at that. Show them an interview where a manager pauses for a moment and gives a considered response, that doesnt turn anyone on either. Fvcking belittle the journalist. Give a mad response. Show your MAD IT MAKES ME PROUD. BRIM WITH VISIBLE PASHUNNNNNN LIKE I DO.

 

The bloke has never had a chance from the start here. Look how fast people turned on Ranieri. Way before the bad spell in January. Wed got people saying Ranieri out after Hull away!

 

Puel has brought a vision with him, there is evidence it has worked. Consistently? not yet. Over 90 mins? in some games, not as many as we would like.

 

However, if we bin him off, ask yourself this: Who do you want to come in thats going to:

 

a) Satisfy your lofty ambition of making talentless, devoid of skill and crude football entertaining every week and successful enough it will beat teams regularly enough to satisfy your goals for where Leicester should finish. And for many that seems like breaking the top 6 with ease

 

b) Make players who are either genuinely not that good, or 2 years older than when they had the absolute best season of their life, a freak never likely to be repeated and not their typical level of performance, they are now older and worse than that.....who do you think is going to take them over and make them better as players?

 

c) Magically make Mahrez stay and Kante come back so we can line up with the nucleus of the team from the title winning season who played the style you yearn for

 

d) Guarantee that an away team wont come here and actually god forbid play quite well because they have their own agendas in the league and need points badly themselves?

 

But they cant give you a name. All they can give you is what they give you at a match, a confused cocophony of anger thats not got any focus to it other than its not as good as it was when we won the league. Well no shit, it never will be either because winning the league was bonkers. Theyll tell you theyre bored, then point to all the games weve lost as evidence of why theyre right to be bored and you must also be bored. Completely ignoring that ive watched them batter Southampton away 4-1, ive watched them batter West Brom away 4-1, ive watched outplay Chelsea at the bridge, and beat Spurs at home too. Theyll pine constantly for the good old days of Pearson Walsh and Shakespeare like theyre the only people of any signficance in the clubs entire history.

 

Puel has a summer to come to mould a team more into his style. To bring staff if he wants them too. To ship out players if they cant be bothered to listen to him or carry out what he wants. The owners are making a serious commitment to the future with the training ground, with the expansion plans, and have shown absolutely no panic or intention to change the direction we are going in.

 

We are on course for our second highest league finish ever. Beat Burnley away which is not unthinkable by any means, we are still well in the hunt for 7th.

 

So lets stop using every single defeat as an excuse to put up these pathetic polls, and actually just accept that yes, you can look bad on a given day. Football wont always entertain you, its not a cinema ticket. That getting new ideas over is a gradual process that takes time, and that we are actually a decent football team and lets back the manager and just stop the doom mongering that wouldnt have looked out of place when we were losing to teams like Colchester.

 

 

the problem i have is the style of play he’s after is the one that makes england look prostrate against teams like finland.

[STUHILL]

Slightly heartened by the 61% who are sticking by him for now. 

 

I know everyone is getting a little frustrated with the slow passing at the back, but watching him on the sidelines often enraged by this, you can see he wants us to keep possession, but do more with it!

 

It may not work in the long run, but he certainly deserves the summer window and 10-15 games of next season, to show us what his vision truly is and whether he can successfully implement it with a squad more of his making. 

 

I think his future will depend heavily on who he is able to bring in this summer. If he gets the right players in that better suits possession football, then everything he has been working on could really start showing big gains. i.e a team that can dominate the ball and make that possession count in sustained attacks. 

 

Patience will be wearing thin though if we finish the season in this form and he will be on shakey ground already going into next season. Needs a strong finish to keep majority on board! 

[1884Foxes]

This has been a long pre-season for Puel, people may not want to hear this but its true. His initial job was to come it and keep us in the Prem, which he has done, we were 19th when he took over and the football was terrible, lots moaning the football is bad now but at least were trying to play the right way, I just think we aren't moving it quick enough in the right areas. Puel will now be aware what players he does and doesn't want and I think we just have to accept this season for what it is now, baring in mind we've finished 8th In the league (very decent season Imo) and it is obvious certain players don't fit Puel's system. Give him 10 games of next season as a minimum.

 

Remember we were linked with Pardew.

[Matt]

13 minutes ago, 1884Foxes said:

This has been a long pre-season for Puel, people may not want to hear this but its true. His initial job was to come it and keep us in the Prem, which he has done, we were 19th when he took over and the football was terrible, lots moaning the football is bad now but at least were trying to play the right way, I just think we aren't moving it quick enough in the right areas. Puel will now be aware what players he does and doesn't want and I think we just have to accept this season for what it is now, baring in mind we've finished 8th In the league (very decent season Imo) and it is obvious certain players don't fit Puel's system. Give him 10 games of next season as a minimum.

 

Remember we were linked with Pardew.

No, we weren't.

 

I'm not sure how many people i've quoted claiming we were in the relegation zone when he took over, it's simply not true.

 

We were 14th.

Edited 12 April 2018 by Matt

[roblcfc84]

How any fan can think sacking a manager who came in half way through a season, hasn't really bought in any of his own players or had a pre-season is reasonable is beyond me. We were 19th, we are now 8th and have reached two cup quarter finals. 

Edited 12 April 2018 by roblcfc84

[Jimmy]

5 minutes ago, Matt said:

No, we weren't.

 

I'm not sure how many people i've quoted claiming we were in the relegation zone when he took over, it's simply not true.

 

We were 14th.

people forget the 2 games Appleton took that took us from 19th, which is where we were when Shakespeare was put out of our misery

Edited 12 April 2018 by Jimmy

[Matt]

8 minutes ago, Jimmy said:

people forget the 2 games Appleton took that took us from 19th, which is where we were when Shakespeare was put out of our misery

Tbh I forgot Appleton was in charge for 2 games, i've just looked, one of them was a cup game.

 

But yes, clearly people do forget Appleton lifted us to 14th with one win.

 

Puel won his first game, took us to 11th, it took Puel another 6 games to get us 8th and we've stayed there since.

 

So that says to me people are making alot more of the 'mess' we were in considering our rapid rise to 8th but it also shows what an average league/season it's been (Especially considering Burnley didn't win for nearly 2 months and stayed 7th without challenge).

 

I agree we were only going one way under Shakespeare and he had to go - he simply wasn't a manager, i'm not even comparing the two, but the 'mess' we were in was largely down to a very tough start.

 

I'm sick of repeating this but people clearly aren't taking notice still claiming we were in the relegation zone when Puel took over.

Edited 12 April 2018 by Matt

[1884Foxes]

15 minutes ago, Matt said:

No, we weren't.

 

I'm not sure how many people i've quoted claiming we were in the relegation zone when he took over, it's simply not true.

 

We were 14th.

My bad, forgot the Swansea game, 

[Matt]

17 minutes ago, roblcfc84 said:

How any fan can think sacking a manager who came in half way through a season, hasn't really bought in any of his own players or had a pre-season is reasonable is beyond me. We were 19th, we are now 8th and have reached two cup quarter finals. 

[Larry_LCFC]

3 hours ago, roblcfc84 said:

How any fan can think sacking a manager who came in half way through a season, hasn't really bought in any of his own players or had a pre-season is reasonable is beyond me. We were 19th, we are now 8th and have reached two cup quarter finals. 

And played some utterly boring, lifeless football, making the same mistakes over and over again.

[roblcfc84]

10 hours ago, Larry_LCFC said:

And played some utterly boring, lifeless football, making the same mistakes over and over again.

That’s not true for a start. Against Chelsea I saw one of the best first half’s I’ve seen in ages. Ok we didn’t score but the performance was excellent. 

 

I don’t normally get this frustrated but the lack of patience proves that a significant proportion of our fans can’t grasp how much time it takes to build a squad, whether through recruitment or coaching, that is capable of playing a completely different style. We are evolving which is a good thing, but it takes time and in fairness our current squad is nowhere near as good as some fans make out.

 

The counter attacking style worked beautifully when we won the league but the season after teams in PL found a way to mitigate it. This season the first 8 or so games under shakey were truly horrific. 

 

CP has done a good job under difficult circumstances and needs time to develop the squad and implement his ideas. Look at Southampton’s current position. Look at where we were under Claudio second season and Shakey this season. The grass isn’t always greener and sacking a manager this soon is madness. 

[roblcfc84]

13 hours ago, Matt said:

That’s the position when Shakey was sacked, the point at which the club made a decision to change things. Ok so they won a game under MA

[NorthfieldsFox]

I some times feel this place in occupied by people who believe the club was born in 2011 or 2012 

 

one of the best seasons in our history in the top 10% for sure and I’m having to hurt my brain reading the dross about what is obviously a decent manager 

[limeydale]

On 4/7/2018 at 12:56, kingfox said:

What's the point of even mentioning them, of course we're not stupid enough to go for one of them.

 

They'll be a good few teams changing managers before the start of next season, why can't we be one of them?

 

Our run in on paper was one of the easiest, our home games especially were all winnable, yet we've failed against Swansea, Stoke, Bournemouth and Newcastle. If our home form doesn't improve he has to go.

 

As for who, if Fulham don't get promoted, Jokanovic would be my choice.

My point in mentioning is there is no quality manager out there that i see that we can afford or that would want to come here that is any better than what we have now.

Also we aren't going down so I say stick with until it isn't working.

[Kopfkino]

Sack the clueless **** now

[the fox]

I'm done! I was puel in but enough is enough!

[NeilLCFC]

All the talk about bringing in his own players, Absolutely no chance I trust him with our transfer budget. Get rid.

Edited 14 April 2018 by NeilLCFC