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Chelve84

unrest in the squad

By Chelve84, in Leicester City Forum

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shailen_patel4

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7 minutes ago, Blanchflower78 said:

Not just the players. Unsold seats for a side sat in 8th? Tells you all you need to know. 

Some of them would of been because it’s a easter holiday they’ll just be returning from trips

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Nigel Graham Pearson

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The owners have entrusted Puel with making training and tactics decisions, and all the rest of the things a manager does. As long as that’s the case, they should shut up, grow up and do the job for which they are paid obscene amounts of money. 

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Webbo

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4 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

so the rags know this how?

 

Its speculation to make news to sell papers.

How do they know anything? They talk to players ,agent, coaches,staff, directors or other managers off the record. There are hundreds of people employed in football, it's a journalists job to get to know these people and pump them for info.

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sylofox

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6 minutes ago, Webbo said:

How do they know anything? They talk to players ,agent, coaches,staff, directors or other managers off the record. There are hundreds of people employed in football, it's a journalists job to get to know these people and pump them for info.

Have any ITK's claimed it.

 

Let's be honest if they've asked Mahrez or his agent would you expect anything else.

 

If it was as claimed wouldn't every paper be on it.

Wymsey

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If players aren't happy with the manager's team and tactical decisions, they should really consult with him about their particular doubts or questionings.

In that way, it shows Puel that they're willing to improve things as a team who will mention aspects they're not comfortable in playing and reconsider methods to adopt to suit the team more.

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Donut

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So at what point given this is the third manager who is losing the support of these players do we actually think it MIGHT be the players that are the problem?

 

Or because they overachieved for a season, they get a complete free pass forever while all their managers have to carry their collective can?

 

Its three totally different managers too.

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foxinsocks

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31 minutes ago, notnow john said:

It was a sell out.

Coz they count st holders even if they dont go

I go... but i find our lack of creating chances very frustrating. ... only to hear claud saying we are playing with quality.

He needs to say "yes this isnt good enough we will be relentless in learning how to creat chances and you will see an improvement every week"

...thats leadership

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l444ry

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If players feel they could be utilised better through playing to their strengths, individually or tactically, why should they not convey concerns to the manager. Only a fool would ignore them surely, especially if that manager had only been on the scene a few months.

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Captain...

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37 minutes ago, Donut said:

So at what point given this is the third manager who is losing the support of these players do we actually think it MIGHT be the players that are the problem?

 

Or because they overachieved for a season, they get a complete free pass forever while all their managers have to carry their collective can?

 

Its three totally different managers too.

Obviously the players don't get a free pass, and I don't think Shakespeare lost the support of the players, just the support of the board, but that's a separate point.

 

What Pearson understood and Ranieri seemingly forgot in his second season, is that these are limited players with very clear strengths and weaknesses. Vardy is the best in the league at chasing lost causes, putting defences under pressure and being a right nuisance, he is not that great at winning headers against strong centre halves. Mahrez is great at turning a bit of space into a chance, but if you give the defence time to swamp he, he can't do his thing. Ndidi will run all day long and win the ball back, but is sloppy in possession at times. Simpson is the best defensive right back in the league, and the worst attacking right back. Morgan will put his body on the line but don't expect him to dribble the ball.

 

Puel seems to want to play in a style that exposes the flaws of our players, we are not great at passing the ball and keep possession, we are great at attacking quickly and don't worry about losing possession playing a high risk pass. I would start to get annoyed at being asked to do something I'm not good at which has the added effect of minimising what I am good at  and makes me look shit. Morgan and Simpson haven't become shit overnight, they are still good at what they are good at, but we are not playing to their strengths and seem intent to expose their weaknesses. If you want your right back to over lap and cross the ball, don't pick Simpson, literally anyone else would be better. Fair play to Puel he did recall Amartey, but when big Dan got injured he should have done something, anything other than ask Simpson to play as an overlapping fullback, it's like asking Morgan to be a ball playing centre half. He isn't and never will be. The frustration is we have a ball playing centre half on the bench or a change of formation to 3 at the back, would allow Morgan to just defend, Albrighton to go wing back and we have a strong looking side that plays to their strengths.

 

Even Vardy, I know he is still scoring, but generally late in the game and it would make more sense to play Nacho for the first 60 minutes as a leading striker, he at least has a chance of winning a header and will give the defenders something to worry about other than Vardy's pace. Then we can unleash Vardy on a tired defence to win the game.

 

The players need to execute the manager's plans and they are doing so to the best of their ability, and that is the problem  and why they are getting pissed off, they can't play better because of the system they are in, so you either rebel against the manager or play his way and play shit.

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smr

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57 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

so the rags know this how?

 

Its speculation to make news to sell papers.

John Percy's got pretty close links to the club...

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Donut

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6 minutes ago, Captain... said:

Obviously the players don't get a free pass, and I don't think Shakespeare lost the support of the players, just the support of the board, but that's a separate point.

 

What Pearson understood and Ranieri seemingly forgot in his second season, is that these are limited players with very clear strengths and weaknesses. Vardy is the best in the league at chasing lost causes, putting defences under pressure and being a right nuisance, he is not that great at winning headers against strong centre halves. Mahrez is great at turning a bit of space into a chance, but if you give the defence time to swamp he, he can't do his thing. Ndidi will run all day long and win the ball back, but is sloppy in possession at times. Simpson is the best defensive right back in the league, and the worst attacking right back. Morgan will put his body on the line but don't expect him to dribble the ball.

 

Puel seems to want to play in a style that exposes the flaws of our players, we are not great at passing the ball and keep possession, we are great at attacking quickly and don't worry about losing possession playing a high risk pass. I would start to get annoyed at being asked to do something I'm not good at which has the added effect of minimising what I am good at  and makes me look shit. Morgan and Simpson haven't become shit overnight, they are still good at what they are good at, but we are not playing to their strengths and seem intent to expose their weaknesses. If you want your right back to over lap and cross the ball, don't pick Simpson, literally anyone else would be better. Fair play to Puel he did recall Amartey, but when big Dan got injured he should have done something, anything other than ask Simpson to play as an overlapping fullback, it's like asking Morgan to be a ball playing centre half. He isn't and never will be. The frustration is we have a ball playing centre half on the bench or a change of formation to 3 at the back, would allow Morgan to just defend, Albrighton to go wing back and we have a strong looking side that plays to their strengths.

 

Even Vardy, I know he is still scoring, but generally late in the game and it would make more sense to play Nacho for the first 60 minutes as a leading striker, he at least has a chance of winning a header and will give the defenders something to worry about other than Vardy's pace. Then we can unleash Vardy on a tired defence to win the game.

 

The players need to execute the manager's plans and they are doing so to the best of their ability, and that is the problem  and why they are getting pissed off, they can't play better because of the system they are in, so you other rebel against the manager or play his way and play shit.

Its a well considered response, but this same group of players are the ones who literally mullered Everton for 60 mins and won easily, mullered Southampton away, Played brilliantly for large spells against Newcastle away and Spurs at home, both wins, spanked Huddersfield, spanked West Brom etc etc

 

They CAN implement new ideas. When Puel first came here, his opening 6 or 7 games were exceptional quality.

 

I just don't buy that you can get fully on board with someone from the get go, yet find them confusing and demotivating a few months down the line. That surely has to come from within the group of players, not the manager?

 

And Puel is also trying to improve the players. Do players like Danny SImpson have a glass ceiling? do they just accept im actually bang average so I wont work at my game? ill just maintain a bang average level which needs no improvement from myself because im likely to be picked anyway? why do they have that attitude where someone like Guardiola can take a failing player like Sterling and revolutionise him? Sterling is also a limited footballer, or was, just in a different area of the field.

 

And on the subject of minimising what they are good at........... what they were supposedly "good at" was failing miserably, and they've most certainly improved under Puel, points wise no question from the latter days of Ranieri and league position wise massively from Shakespeare.

 

So its not like their "strengths" were translating themselves into attributes that could win football matches. Not anymore it seems.

 

I feel really strongly that this is the time to stick with Puel and build on this project rather than binning it for something that is akin to a painkiller. A manager that makes everything feel good for a while, then the pain hurts twice as bad when it wears off.

 

 

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UPinCarolina

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1 hour ago, BenTheFox said:

Either some of the players have gotten too big for their boots, or we keep appointing the wrong managers. Either way someone has to be held responsible.

I'm beginning to believe that it's been more of the former and not the latter for some time now.

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