coolhandfox Posted 14 July 2018 Posted 14 July 2018 Sh!t, if we get this guy, we gonna have to play 4 centre half's to fit Morgan in..... 2
Popular Post volpeazzurro Posted 15 July 2018 Popular Post Posted 15 July 2018 (edited) 9 hours ago, FIF said: Have you actually read through the thread? Barcelona are having problems with the number of non-european players on their books. Yes I have. They would have been aware of how many European players they currently had when they bought him wouldn't they but thought him worth the risk. After all, if he's that good you'd eventually get rid of other non European players that you'd deem to be your inferior ones. If you read more widely you'll find that he hasn't lived up to expectations and he's therefore one non European they can do without. Now I would agree that their calibre of player might be higher than ours but after a he's only been there for such a short period of time, I don't think that his alleged transfer price at over double his purchase price represents good value to a club like us, that was my point. Edited 15 July 2018 by volpeazzurro 6
Sooper Steve's shin Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 22 hours ago, Kinowe Soorie said: Yerrymin! Gerrimina!
CosbehFox Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 If Barca need to get rid because of a quota, there is no way we should be buying for that amount of money. 2
volpeazzurro Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 26 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: If Barca need to get rid because of a quota, there is no way we should be buying for that amount of money. Agreed and seemingly they deem him inferior to other non Europeans they have or they'd be sold first. Clearly they don't rate him. You can understand them wanting to recoup their money or even make slight profit, but to over double the asking price, really? I doubt that they've improved him much and his alleged lack of technical ability on the ball is hardly going to improve much at his next club. If you want a big lump at the back who can also be a threat from set pieces then he's your man but probably at a more realistic price I would suggest.
Max Power Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 Only saw him play once outside of the World Cup and he looked absolutely appalling as Levante smashed five past Barcelona. Gerrimin. 1
Gazza M Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 This is going to be a strange pre-season. The squad seem to be having a great time currently. By August 10th, many won't be in the match day squad or even at the club with more new signings and international players coming back in front. It seems harsh but we need more quality than relying on Morgan/Evans only. Mina would be a great shout.
jayfox26 Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 Are we saying yerrimminn or yerrimmout? Im'ina bit of a pickle with this one.
ARM1968 Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 9 hours ago, coolhandfox said: Sh!t, if we get this guy, we gonna have to play 4 centre half's to fit Morgan in..... Don’t worry, we’re going to sell Maguire for £24 million.
Guest Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 2 hours ago, volpeazzurro said: Yes I have. They would have been aware of how many European players they currently had when they bought him wouldn't they but thought him worth the risk. After all, if he's that good you'd eventually get rid of other non European players that you'd deem to be your inferior ones. If you read more widely you'll find that he hasn't lived up to expectations and he's therefore one non European they can do without. Now I would agree that their calibre of player might be higher than ours but after a he's only been there for such a short period of time, I don't think that his alleged transfer price at over double his purchase price represents good value to a club like us, that was my point. I appreciate your difference in opinion (was that good Webbo?) but I can only surmise that you haven't seen him play. He is better than Wes Morgan and Yohan Benalouane and would start for us. we should be trying to upgrade our team at every opportunity. 1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said: If Barca need to get rid because of a quota, there is no way we should be buying for that amount of money. That's an interesting and logical concept, if it wasn't for the fact that other prem and European teams are interested in him too. Therefore although they want to get rid it's the market that decides the price. If Everton offer £25m why would they sell him to us for £5m? With regards the point made by someone about him not being good enough for Barca, so not good enough for us. Get real. They are in talks with people like Neymar and Willian on a regular basis. People like Busquets and Miranda are listed in their B team. here's the link to their first team: https://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/staff/players Not good enough for Barca's first team is probably still too good for us.
SheppyFox Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 He’s better than Morgan no doubt, on that basis, employ the man.
LCFC hub Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 (edited) The fact we were after him before moving to Barca, coupled with a good World Cup I can see us and plenty of other clubs over Europe interested in him. As for his technical ability on the ball - the level Barca operate at in comparison to us is non existant so going off his World Cup showing and YouTube videos I'd say he's at a good enough level for us. The price is dictated by the market and as there seem to be plenty of clubs after him it will be inflated. We all believe we should have got more for Mahrez but with only Man City in for him they could dictate the fee much more than us demanding a lot more. If we want to progress as a club then having adequate back up is good for us, so forget about Evans not coming here to sit on the bench. Fingers crossed it isn't because Maguire is on its way but centre back wise we do need more strength in depth. It's a yes from me Edited 15 July 2018 by 80's fox
dmayne7 Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 52 minutes ago, FIF said: I appreciate your difference in opinion (was that good Webbo?) but I can only surmise that you haven't seen him play. He is better than Wes Morgan and Yohan Benalouane and would start for us. we should be trying to upgrade our team at every opportunity. That's an interesting and logical concept, if it wasn't for the fact that other prem and European teams are interested in him too. Therefore although they want to get rid it's the market that decides the price. If Everton offer £25m why would they sell him to us for £5m? With regards the point made by someone about him not being good enough for Barca, so not good enough for us. Get real. They are in talks with people like Neymar and Willian on a regular basis. People like Busquets and Miranda are listed in their B team. here's the link to their first team: https://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/staff/players Not good enough for Barca's first team is probably still too good for us. Because I'm pedant, did you read their b team? That's Oriol Busquets, Sergio's little brother. And who is Miranda? Some 17/18 year old left back, not the Brazil centre back... But, I completely agree with you on the other part. He's only 23 too so should get loads better. Got to say though, that with us signing Evans, can't see us spending £25 mil on a centre back. 1
CosbehFox Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 A £16 million price increase on playing five games for Barca. Absolute obscene deal 3
Bluearmyfox28 Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 This is the signing that makes our defence imo. 1
Popular Post ROB-THE-BLUE Posted 15 July 2018 Popular Post Posted 15 July 2018 1 hour ago, SheppyFox said: He’s better than Morgan no doubt, on that basis, employ the man. Didn't seem to help Dragovic much 2 6
volpeazzurro Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 3 hours ago, FIF said: I appreciate your difference in opinion (was that good Webbo?) but I can only surmise that you haven't seen him play. He is better than Wes Morgan and Yohan Benalouane and would start for us. we should be trying to upgrade our team at every opportunity. That's an interesting and logical concept, if it wasn't for the fact that other prem and European teams are interested in him too. Therefore although they want to get rid it's the market that decides the price. If Everton offer £25m why would they sell him to us for £5m? With regards the point made by someone about him not being good enough for Barca, so not good enough for us. Get real. They are in talks with people like Neymar and Willian on a regular basis. People like Busquets and Miranda are listed in their B team. here's the link to their first team: https://www.fcbarcelona.com/football/first-team/staff/players Not good enough for Barca's first team is probably still too good for us. Yes better than Benalouane. Possibly than Morgan but we don't know how he'd cope in the rigours of the Premiership. IF we were definitely going to play a 3 at the back then maybe a consideration. If two, I don't think I'd be starting him above Maguire or Evans, two proven Premiership players. Which means at 26m he's one hell of an expensive sub! I feel in which case a back up of Morgan and Hughes is adequate rather than spend a huge amount of money. You don't pay that much for a sub (actually we did with Slimani and to a lesser extent with Musa). I do agree with the bit about just because he's not good enough for them doesn't mean he's not good enough for us. I bet if we were to look at their 2nd string and u23s there'd be some absolute pearlers! If Everton (not them again,spooky eh), are willing to pay 26m good luck to them, though I think it's paper talk. Our club hasn't an infinite amount of money (we still need to have a fire sale ourselves) and just because we've got some cash from the sale of Marhez doesn't mean we have to blow it quickly on shiney things. We've made enough biggish buy mistakes and we've yet to see how Perreira works out. The speed at which Barcelona have written him off is strange and to me signals caution, I'm not saying he's not worth a look, but only look if the price is deemed suitably right and not to get into an overpriced bidding war. Previous World Cups have showcased players that appear to be stars that turn out in the light of day to be anything but. 2
Finnegan Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 5 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said: If Barca need to get rid because of a quota, there is no way we should be buying for that amount of money. Kinda but equally they could just loan him out to a premier league club, hope he keeps up the good work then sell him on for more or register him once Coutinho has his passport. Selling Paulinho gives them more wiggle room.
Gerard Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 6 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said: A £16 million price increase on playing five games for Barca. Absolute obscene deal Great business isn't it? Buy a player for £9m and decide to get rid of him six months later because he wasn't as good as you thought he was and make a £16m profit because he's had a good World Cup and the "Barcelona tax" because he's played five games for the Catalans which were mostly dead rubbers. If only we could sell our flops like Slimani, Musa, Mendy, etc and make a profit on them as well. I actually quite like the little I've seen of him in the World Cup as he's a good athletic defender who is a beast in the air. If we were to play three at the back he'd be ideal as the man marker in the middle with Maguire and Evans alongside him but it would stick in the throat paying that much when the reality is they should be more than happy to get their money back. Let some other mugs buy him for £25m. 1
mozartfox Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 22 minutes ago, NasPb said: I'd pay around 16-18 million Jesus - you are rich???
mozartfox Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 27 minutes ago, Gerard said: Great business isn't it? Buy a player for £9m and decide to get rid of him six months later because he wasn't as good as you thought he was and make a £16m profit because he's had a good World Cup and the "Barcelona tax" because he's played five games for the Catalans which were mostly dead rubbers. If only we could sell our flops like Slimani, Musa, Mendy, etc and make a profit on them as well. I actually quite like the little I've seen of him in the World Cup as he's a good athletic defender who is a beast in the air. If we were to play three at the back he'd be ideal as the man marker in the middle with Maguire and Evans alongside him but it would stick in the throat paying that much when the reality is they should be more than happy to get their money back. Let some other mugs buy him for £25m. We do it the other round in ‘some’ cases, but not all. Yes we have bought high and cannot get rid for 4 or 5, but we have also bought very low and sold very high. Notwithstanding this, we have bought some real Turkeys.
Gerard Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 25 minutes ago, mozartfox said: We do it the other round in ‘some’ cases, but not all. Yes we have bought high and cannot get rid for 4 or 5, but we have also bought very low and sold very high. Notwithstanding this, we have bought some real Turkeys. I know we have had some spectacular successes but that's not the point. Have we ever bought a player who has flopped here and sold on for a profit? Maybe the odd exception for buttons like Hernandez who came on a free but that's it as far as I recall. As I said great business for Barcelona if they can buy a player for £9m in January and sell for £25m six months later when he's been absolutely awful in his time at Barcelona.
ARM1968 Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 My son says he’s shit on Football Manager 2018. That’s good enough for me. 2 1
MPH Posted 15 July 2018 Posted 15 July 2018 2 hours ago, Gerard said: I know we have had some spectacular successes but that's not the point. Have we ever bought a player who has flopped here and sold on for a profit? Maybe the odd exception for buttons like Hernandez who came on a free but that's it as far as I recall. As I said great business for Barcelona if they can buy a player for £9m in January and sell for £25m six months later when he's been absolutely awful in his time at Barcelona. I don’t think he’s actually played that often for them... something like 4 games isn’t it? im ok with someone not being good enough for Barcelona being good enough for Leicester...
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