Nick Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Sod it - let’s go get Steven Gerrard from Rangers.
MC Prussian Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 22 hours ago, Gerbold said: You all seem to be forgetting that Srivaddhanaprabha died in horrific circumstances such a (still) short time ago. It seems that all the whingers are rising to the top again after keeping their mouths shut during the time of the intense mourning. Has it occurred to any of the 'Puel out' faction that it takes time to get over such a loss - and, given the admiration and/or affection of the players for him, it may be that they cannot get their heads around this tragedy as quickly as the critics feel is appropriate? I suspect those fans who were affected deeply by this will be far more forgiving of the team and its management. Perhaps this will just have to be the season that is written off and, as long as we don't get into a relegation struggle, look forward to next season - when time will have eased the effect of his death. Now is not the time to change managers and certainly not the time to appoint a stop-gap. We cannot expect Topp to have integrated himself into his father's position already. He may understand the Club and players intimately but it's a huge step of confidence and skill in assuming the role of ultimate decision maker. I know what I've written here won't affect those who are hell-bent on him going but it may remind those whose confidence is slipping that this isn't a normal situation. You know, I have total sympathies for the people directly affected by the helicopter tragedy. Everyone at the club, family members, friends, etc. It's only natural and fitting enough to allow them to grieve individually. And no one expects them to work like a machine or a robot. At the end of the day, however, in football, results are all that matter. Coupled with the performances on the pitch. Every single pro knows this and everyone at the club, too. Let's also not forget that the dire performances under Puel surfaced in late 2017 already, and during most of the second half of last season (three wins, four draws and seven losses in the last 14 matches), plus at the start of this season also (four wins, three losses). This is nothing new and nothing that you can suddenly and only link to the horrific accident at the King Power. I could equally say that the sad events have given some people the right to silence the critics just because one's now supposed to ignore our failings or not supposed to talk about it out of respect for the mourning period. You can do both, be respectful, tactile and understanding of the situation and the people affected by the tragedy, and at the same time be critical of our sportive success as of late. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I agree sacking managers isn't the way forward, but Puel needs to be held more accountable for how the players perform on the pitch and maybe abandon this gruesome 4-2-3-1 experiment. Or we need (more) players suited for that system. He persists with players that are out of form (Morgan, Ndidi), a still rather selfish and clumsy Gray, benches two of our most experienced midfielders in Iborra and Silva and plays a lone striker with little to no support from midfield. We have an Algerian right winger on our books who goes more missing on the pitch than he contributes to the game, a Portuguese who yet has to find out whether he is a full-back or a winger, we possess a rather weak bench and thus little options in terms of shifting the system or players that could give us a bit more punch when matches need to be taken by the hand in the latter stages. We're currently caught in a bit of a limbo and have only won twice in ten matches since the start of October, seemingly haphazardly moving shifting between 8th and 14th place or thereabouts, like a space craft drifting in space. After more than a year in charge, I have yet to see a system or a method evolving under Puel. We don't know whether to still counter-attack or play a possession-based type of football. And that insecurity and randomness shows on the pitch, resulting in absolutely erratic performances.
Babylon Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 On 15/12/2018 at 19:53, SecretPro said: @Babylon I'd be interested to hear your thoughts at present Babs - usually have a level head on this whole debate Exactly the same as they always have been, if we slide down the table towards trouble he can go. If there is no signs of improvement in style or consistency by the end of the season, he can go. My viewpoint has been one of he was doing an ok job, I appreciate he's had and got a big job on his hands trying to restructure the squad. We've got a lot of expensive bang average players on the books and that's going to weigh us down no matter who is in charge. But on the flip side, you want to see improvements. You want to see the manager fixing issues, players or systems making progress. We've come on a little bit as we were a disaster the year before he arrived, but I'm not sure it's sufficient to warrant faith in him long term... unless the second half of the season sees a decent up turn.
MC Prussian Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Given Puel's previous record in December and January with both us and Southampton, how do you see our chances given the following fixtures? December Manchester City (h) - EFL Cup Chelsea FC (a) Manchester City (h) Cardiff City (h) January Everton FC (a) Newport Town (a) - FA Cup Southampton (h) Wolverhampton (a) Liverpool (a) February Manchester United (h) Tottenham Hotspur (a) Crystal Palace (h) Brighton & Hove Albion (h) Games in bold are the most crucial ones.
Matt Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 6 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: Given Puel's previous record in December and January with both us and Southampton, how do you see our chances given the following fixtures? December Manchester City (h) - EFL Cup Chelsea FC (a) Manchester City (h) Cardiff City (h) January Everton FC (a) Newport Town (a) - FA Cup Southampton (h) Wolverhampton (a) Liverpool (a) February Manchester United (h) Tottenham Hotspur (a) Crystal Palace (h) Brighton & Hove Albion (h) Games in bold are the most crucial ones. They’re all crucial, but I know what you mean, winnable, or should be. Given the thinking behind resting players at Fulham to play a stronger team against Tottenham I see no reason to see that mindset changing yet another thing to add to the strange decisions Puel makes list. On one hand I agree with the general consensus that we’ve gotta put up with him until the end of the season, after that, who knows, I guess it depends on who’s available. On the other hand, get nothing from the next few games and fail to beat Cardiff and I could see him going then.
Bablemikey Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 I’m not enjoying the football we are seeing but given the playing staff we have I think we are about where we should be. How many of our players would walk into a top 6 team as a starter? Changing that situation is not something that can happen in a short term so I believe we have a long term view on this and making judgements on progress based on only a few games does not align with that strategy. Personally, I find I’m increasingly frustrated by the lack of apparent progress I’m seeing from players I had expected to add significantly to the starting 11. At this point in time I think we are a significantly weaker team than we were with Mahrez because it’s even easier now to nullify any attacking threat we have. Lots of players who aren’t needed but on big wages which makes them hard to shift also I think hampers our recruitment plans.
fuchsntf Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 44 minutes ago, MC Prussian said: You know, I have total sympathies for the people directly affected by the helicopter tragedy. Everyone at the club, family members, friends, etc. It's only natural and fitting enough to allow them to grieve individually. And no one expects them to work like a machine or a robot. At the end of the day, however, in football, results are all that matter. Coupled with the performances on the pitch. Every single pro knows this and everyone at the club, too. Let's also not forget that the dire performances under Puel surfaced in late 2017 already, and during most of the second half of last season (three wins, four draws and seven losses in the last 14 matches), plus at the start of this season also (four wins, three losses). This is nothing new and nothing that you can suddenly and only link to the horrific accident at the King Power. I could equally say that the sad events have given some people the right to silence the critics just because one's now supposed to ignore our failings or not supposed to talk about it out of respect for the mourning period. You can do both, be respectful, tactile and understanding of the situation and the people affected by the tragedy, and at the same time be critical of our sportive success as of late. The two aren't mutually exclusive. I agree sacking managers isn't the way forward, but Puel needs to be held more accountable for how the players perform on the pitch and maybe abandon this gruesome 4-2-3-1 experiment. Or we need (more) players suited for that system. He persists with players that are out of form (Morgan, Ndidi), a still rather selfish and clumsy Gray, benches two of our most experienced midfielders in Iborra and Silva and plays a lone striker with little to no support from midfield. We have an Algerian right winger on our books who goes more missing on the pitch than he contributes to the game, a Portuguese who yet has to find out whether he is a full-back or a winger and a rather weak bench and little options in terms of shifting the system or give us a bit more punch when matches need to be taken by the hand in the latter stages. We're currently caught in a bit of a limbo and have only won twice in ten matches since the start of October, seemingly haphazardly moving shifting between 8th and 14th place or thereabouts, like a space craft drifting in space. After more than a year in charge, I have yet to see a system or a method evolving under Puel. We don't know whether to still counter-attack or play a possession-based type of football. And that insecurity and randomness shows on the pitch, resulting in absolutely erratic performances. Reasonable post until you stated...Morgan out of form!!????
UniFox21 Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 22 minutes ago, Bablemikey said: I’m not enjoying the football we are seeing but given the playing staff we have I think we are about where we should be. How many of our players would walk into a top 6 team as a starter? Changing that situation is not something that can happen in a short term so I believe we have a long term view on this and making judgements on progress based on only a few games does not align with that strategy. Personally, I find I’m increasingly frustrated by the lack of apparent progress I’m seeing from players I had expected to add significantly to the starting 11. At this point in time I think we are a significantly weaker team than we were with Mahrez because it’s even easier now to nullify any attacking threat we have. Lots of players who aren’t needed but on big wages which makes them hard to shift also I think hampers our recruitment plans. Mahrez is a world class player, he's slotted in perfectly at one of the best teams in the world. We were always going to miss him and be slightly worse off. We can't buy big or spend big yet due to our club being litterer with players not needed or good enough to cut it; due to previous regimes investments. Our team is just incredibly inconsistent, which is expected due to how young they are, but they'll play brilliantly one game and then deteriorate in the next couple.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 1 minute ago, Gerbold said: Have you thought this through or are you going by some mythology you've picked up - that somehow someone's death can galvanise their nearest and dearest to forget their feelings and 'go and do it for the boss'. I think you've been watching too many Hollywood action movies. It may not explain the "shit" performances you write of, but the tragedy comes at a time when Puel is still trying to establish a clear 'modus operandi' beyond the events of the last six extraordinary seasons. The Club needs stability - and now we have one more destabilising event. Even if Puel's demeanour and motivational abilities are in question City still need aperiod of calm. Like so many of the anti-Ranieri, anti-Puel brigade, you expect miracles to be drawn out of the hat. We need to see if Topp and the current management team can emulate the long-term planning set into motion by Vichai. To expect anything, at this time, when the four teams currently at the top of the Prem are in such a strong state is unrealistic. You might call my p-o-v ludicrous but where's your plan? Gerbold, have you even seen John Wick?
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 1 minute ago, Gerbold said: Never even heard of him - let alone seen him. Is he a telly evangelsit or an American motivational expert? His teachings are the basis of tickler28's philosphy regarding death galvanising the players
NotTheMarketLeader Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 19 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said: Yep, exactly as I expected, I am right...you are wrong. Yes it is very satisfying I have to admit. Its been a long haul, but worth it in the end ?
Bunyip Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 32 minutes ago, Gerbold said: Have you thought this through or are you going by some mythology you've picked up - that somehow someone's death can galvanise their nearest and dearest to forget their feelings and 'go and do it for the boss'. I think you've been watching too many Hollywood action movies. It may not explain the "shit" performances you write of, but the tragedy comes at a time when Puel is still trying to establish a clear 'modus operandi' beyond the events of the last six extraordinary seasons. The Club needs stability - and now we have one more destabilising event. Even if Puel's demeanour and motivational abilities are in question City still need aperiod of calm. Like so many of the anti-Ranieri, anti-Puel brigade, you expect miracles to be drawn out of the hat. We need to see if Topp and the current management team can emulate the long-term planning set into motion by Vichai. To expect anything, at this time, when the four teams currently at the top of the Prem are in such a strong state is unrealistic. You might call my p-o-v ludicrous but where's your plan? I bet you are a wizard at crosswords.
Bunyip Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 3 minutes ago, Gerbold said: Stick to the topic. I would but I find the cryptic ones quite difficult.
Bunyip Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 3 minutes ago, Gerbold said: i wish I was a wizard with a crossbow . That's more like it !
yks Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 We must be the only midtable club in the world where most fans want to sack their manager because we are ranked midtable midseason.
elvisfmcfly Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 7 minutes ago, yks said: We must be the only midtable club in the world where most fans want to sack their manager because we are ranked midtable midseason. no matter how many times we say it, its not gonna get through the dense skulls, its not about league position ****ing hell! is it that hard to understand?
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 8 minutes ago, elvisfmcfly said: no matter how many times we say it, its not gonna get through the dense skulls, its not about league position ****ing hell! is it that hard to understand? Yes!
whoareyaaa Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 2 hours ago, fuchsntf said: Reasonable post until you stated...Morgan out of form!!???? Agreed Morgan has been solid and is slowly turning into inesta with his passing
suffolk fox Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 its the manner of the performances that I am concerned about. At palace on Saturday we genuinely seemed frightened to attack with any purpose. We constantly pass it sideways and backwards across the back line. We begin an attack a midfielder looks up sees no one in the box and then passes it backwards to either Morgan or Maquire and we start all over again same old same old. It is like the song road to nowhere. Vardy is too isolated up top on his own he needs support, Gray lets be honest what does he do or offer. He has had loads of chances under Puel but he offers nothing game after game. Maddison sorry but he flatters to deceive I really cant understand the hype. He was woeful on Saturday. Shearer on motd on Saturday said we would comfortably finish top ten. Alan I will have what you have been drinking. I am not an advocate of changing managers. However, something has to change we are too one dimensional, too static and too predictable. Oh one last thing If Ineacho is a footballer I am my Auntys Aunt. Where did I leave my dress?
elvisfmcfly Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 10 minutes ago, AlloverthefloorYesNdidi said: Yes! Obviously,some are blissfully ignorant!
fuchsntf Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 10 minutes ago, suffolk fox said: its the manner of the performances that I am concerned about. At palace on Saturday we genuinely seemed frightened to attack with any purpose. We constantly pass it sideways and backwards across the back line. We begin an attack a midfielder looks up sees no one in the box and then passes it backwards to either Morgan or Maquire and we start all over again same old same old. It is like the song road to nowhere. Vardy is too isolated up top on his own he needs support, Gray lets be honest what does he do or offer. He has had loads of chances under Puel but he offers nothing game after game. Maddison sorry but he flatters to deceive I really cant understand the hype. He was woeful on Saturday. Shearer on motd on Saturday said we would comfortably finish top ten. Alan I will have what you have been drinking. I am not an advocate of changing managers. However, something has to change we are too one dimensional, too static and too predictable. Oh one last thing If Ineacho is a footballer I am my Auntys Aunt. Where did I leave my dress? Nacho, is wearing it!!!
coolhandfox Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 As I said in previous post not the biggest Puel's fan, however; But look at our squad especially attacking options, CR, CS left the squad in a mess, poor signing after poor signing, he's had a massive job to do. The clear out of deadwood and the bring in of new players in going to take more than one summer, unless the owner were willing to spend big, or net spend was 25-30 million. We had to buy a extra centre-halfs because of the the Maguire situation (Done), we need a decent right back (Done), we need a decent back up keeper (Done), we need a number 10 (Done), I am strongly believe that Ghezzel was done as a last minute option because we failed to land other options. The deadwood in Hamer, Ulloa, Musa, gone, I think this winter/summer you will see the end of Oki, King, Simpson, great servants but all past their sell by date. Next summer we see further strengthening in attacking positions. I believe we are were we are because that were we are, the bloke just doesn't have options in attacking areas.
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