turtmcfly Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 52 minutes ago, Always Next Year said: Watched him tonight on sky in his pre Man City talk, could not string two words together, how on earth do the players understand him is beyond me. Where to start...
elvisfmcfly Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 20 minutes ago, Babylon said: The sort of growth we are going for can take decades. Better facilities and bigger ground takes you from being just another Watford or Southampton or Brighton, to being more aligned size wise with Everton and West Ham. Who whether we like it or not will be a more attractive proposition at the moment. Extra revenue, even if it's just say £5m, gives you a better player or two. I don't think Puel aligns with our longer term ambitions. But I think he can serve a purpose at the moment to transition the team away from an aging mess, to a young promising team who gives talented youngsters a chance. He can steady the ship until the training ground and stadium are done, and we've shed a lot of dead wood from the squad. That's when I think the owners expectations will shift focus from "don't get bloody relegated", to "let's push on now". If we can start pushing for 6th or 7th (a more realistic aim for someone pulling near 40k crowds), then they might then shift focus to the next level of club we want to match... and so on. It's a slow road trying to do it naturally without huge personal investment. We might only be on phase one or two of a five phase or more project. That's I try to look at it. Ps. On my phone so difficult to get everything across in this message. No you’ve done it again! you would make a bloody good spin doctor for a hated politician,hard to argue with some of the points you make,. it’s going to be a case of what gives,if things carry on it won’t take long for Puel out to reach the terraces. The only time we look good is when we are 2 down why can’t we attack like we do when we are 2 0 down,or is it that we only look good when we are cause the opposition allows us possession knowing we arnt good at creating chances and the game is over. We arnt ever going to get consistency when he Tinkers every game (especially after wins) find your best 11 know it and pick it,yes I know we have injuries but he needlessly changes when we don’t. Everybody says about Silva not being good enough but Ndidi and Mandy just play no matter how crap they are,how about giving him and Iborra the same chances those 2 have had? I’m more of a stream of consciousness ranter so i know my messages are hard to get across.
pazzerfox Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 The problem is, we live in a society where we want everything instantly. Instant gratification, instant replies, instant results. Nobody wants to work at anything anymore if things aren't going right. The owners wanted a change in style to a more possession based passing side which simply can't be achieved overnight as we didn't have the personnel, so what are the options? 1. Sign 8 or 9 players all at once. (Risk of upsetting current squad whilst increasing an already bulging squad and massively increasing the wage bill even further). 2. Gradually implement a change with the current crop by bringing in players slowly (2 or 3 each summer) until you have a team that is capable of doing what the manager is asking. Let us remember, he has to do all this whilst still maintaining results, keeping the fans onside and keeping us in the Premier League. I'm not defending him by any means as I will be first to jump on his back when we are playing poorly and I can't remember the last time I listened to one of his interviews at the risk of falling asleep, but when you take a step back and analyse everything...It is a very tough job! Is the sign of a good manager to play to the strengths of his current players, or is to influence and mould the players to fit his own style? I think Mourinho is having similar issues at Man utd.
lgfualol Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 I have talked to people born and raised in Leicester that are harder to understand than Puel.
Bunyip Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 50 minutes ago, pazzerfox said: The problem is, we live in a society where we want everything instantly. Instant gratification, instant replies, instant results. Nobody wants to work at anything anymore if things aren't going right. The owners wanted a change in style to a more possession based passing side which simply can't be achieved overnight as we didn't have the personnel, so what are the options? 1. Sign 8 or 9 players all at once. (Risk of upsetting current squad whilst increasing an already bulging squad and massively increasing the wage bill even further). 2. Gradually implement a change with the current crop by bringing in players slowly (2 or 3 each summer) until you have a team that is capable of doing what the manager is asking. Let us remember, he has to do all this whilst still maintaining results, keeping the fans onside and keeping us in the Premier League. I'm not defending him by any means as I will be first to jump on his back when we are playing poorly and I can't remember the last time I listened to one of his interviews at the risk of falling asleep, but when you take a step back and analyse everything...It is a very tough job! Is the sign of a good manager to play to the strengths of his current players, or is to influence and mould the players to fit his own style? I think Mourinho is having similar issues at Man utd. But its far from an instant success. He's had long enough and nothing has changed in fact the football has got worse just like it did at Southampton. The Southampton fans warned just what we were getting and they were spot on. ps I don't care how Southampton got on after he left its irrelevant. I go to every match now expecting the worse and I'm not disappointed. The sooner he's gone the sooner we can get back to enjoying our football again.
Kalacs_Orthopedic_Shoe Posted 17 December 2018 Posted 17 December 2018 Give it Guppy till the end of the season...
MPH Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 3 hours ago, Guest said: It can, but those managers aren't ones that we're realistically going to bring in. Names like Klopp, Nagelsmann and Jardim are always thrown around but aren't going to come. We could theoretically think outside the box a little and go for a Gallardo type but a) there is a degree of risk involved and b) we've never shown an inclination to do so. it’s really not such an unrealistic expectation but i think you have narrowed the search down - Pearson for example and his team found some absolute gems. so i’d say there are bound to be more than just the ones out there you mentioned..
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 2 hours ago, Always Next Year said: Watched him tonight on sky in his pre Man City talk, could not string two words together, how on earth do the players understand him is beyond me. 2 hours ago, volpeazzurro said: I can't honestly say I have any problem understanding him whatsoever, his English is fine. I would bet it's even better when he's on the training ground and not being guarded what he says to the media. 2 hours ago, Babylon said: Sorry, I just can't believe this. I've had zero problems understanding him. He might be monotone and long winded, but his English is clear enough. His English may be "clear enough" but actually getting his message across is a different matter for the players.
Raw Dykes Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 10 minutes ago, MPH said: it’s really not such an unrealistic expectation but i think you have narrowed the search down - Pearson for example and his team found some absolute gems. so i’d say there are bound to be more than just the ones out there you mentioned.. I've thought before about whether there's a way to discover a good, unheard-of manager, similar to using stats to scout for players. You could look down the leagues and pick someone who has their team sitting on top of the league, but then they might have by far the most resources to work with, and might be doing a job anyone else could do just as well. I think you have to factor in the budget. Measure success relative to wage bill and transfer fees, maybe? Could it be as simple as, most points per £ spent = best manager.
SecretPro Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 5 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: His English may be "clear enough" but actually getting his message across is a different matter for the players. Well that must reinforce the footballers are brain-dead stereotype.
MPH Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 7 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: His English may be "clear enough" but actually getting his message across is a different matter for the players. oooohh.... did you accidentally voice some of the player’s concerns?
UpTheLeagueFox Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 4 minutes ago, SecretPro said: Well that must reinforce the footballers are brain-dead stereotype. Or maybe the messages just aren't very clear. Maybe they're confusing. Maybe the manager struggles to adapt with the players he has. Lots of maybes...... 2 minutes ago, MPH said: oooohh.... did you accidentally voice some of the player’s concerns? It's clear to those who speak to people in and around the club that there have been concerns for a long time. Some outside the club refuse to believe these things which is their prerogative. When different sources confirm the same things over and over you build up quite a picture.
Guest Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 27 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: Or maybe the messages just aren't very clear. Maybe they're confusing. Maybe the manager struggles to adapt with the players he has. Lots of maybes...... It's clear to those who speak to people in and around the club that there have been concerns for a long time. Some outside the club refuse to believe these things which is their prerogative. When different sources confirm the same things over and over you build up quite a picture. I think people refuse to believe it because some of it is fairly difficult to believe. These are top level professionals, many of whom have experience at European and international level, playing under many different managers in different teams around the world. How is it that his messages can possibly be so incomprehensible to them? What could he be asking them to do that's so bewildering? If it's a language issue, there are plenty of other members of staff they can receive the message from. He's been here over a year - surely that's long enough for them to formulate an idea of what their manager wants from them, no matter how thick his accent. If it's not a language issue, what is it? I know I'm bordering on conspiracy theory territory here, but is it that they don't understand his instructions or simply lack either the ability or motivation to carry them out? Factor in that many among this group of players have something of a reputation, deserved or otherwise, for undermining staff, and it's really quite understandable that people take these reports of concerns from nebulous sources with a pinch of salt.
Guy Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 6 hours ago, volpeazzurro said: All things considered, including recent events, unless we're at the point of relegation, I don't see Puel going anywhere at least until the summer and doubtful even then. Whether we like him or the stats or the style, the cold facts are we're 12 points off relegation and 4 off 6th place! Even if we lose our next 4 games, do you see the bottom 3 winning 4 on the trot? I suggest outside the top 5, with the exception of perhaps Wolves, there are many supporters having a whine. Even forgetting Puel, this squad is not worthy or good enough for 7th or above. You might well be right (or wrong....) as regards the rest of our season. Personally when you look at Huddersfield, Cardiff, Burnley, Fulham, Southampton and even Newcastle's present squads/starting 11 then I don't see us becoming relegation fodder or going into freefall to do battle with any of those six just to stay up (especially with two current England internationals in our defence and a striker who played for the national side in the last World Cup, albeit fleetingly as well as other internationals of course) but then again stranger things have happened and we've been pretty abysmal against all the better sides this season - and even against the likes of Bournemouth, Palace and Burnley - the freshness of the Vichai tragedy permitting with the latter game. As others have said, then Southampton will have the new manager bounce I'm sure, you can never write off a Neil Warnock side, while Newcastle are starting to string together some reasonable results too. Also if we did lose to Newport in the FA Cup (especially if we fail to win another league game before then, with only Cardiff at home looking a winnable one at present!), then in my opinion it would hardly be a knee-jerk reaction to follow if Puel was then sacked...…! Many others including myself remember Peter Taylor's Premier League reign starting well, middling out a bit then ending disastrously over just one season and a bit. It stemmed after that damaging home defeat in the FA Cup quarters at Filbert Street to Wycombe of course, we were never the same again thereafter - for a very long time! Maybe the two managers and the two scenarios of then and now aren't really comparable but I just hope it's not history of sorts repeating, 18 years on if you like!!
Babylon Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 3 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: His English may be "clear enough" but actually getting his message across is a different matter for the players. They must be stupid or obtuse then because that also is clear enough when he speaks. And that's without the benefit and being able to speak to him or clarify things personally.
Babylon Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 3 hours ago, UpTheLeagueFox said: His English may be "clear enough" but actually getting his message across is a different matter for the players. Or perhaps people who don't like him twist things for effect, like stating players are dropped when they are actually rested.
trabuch Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 I would have loved to give him another year to truly build a side and a squad. But it appears that isn't going to happen. He is a bit like a slow Wenger. I have to trust Top though.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 Young players like Gray and Chilwell often seem to speak positively of the manager. Tbh if a few old hands or disgruntled forgotten players dont like him then who cares?
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 9 hours ago, Bunyip said: No one tried to poach Ranieri and he won us the league. Everyone knew it was all NP I guess?
volpeazzurro Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 5 hours ago, Guy said: You might well be right (or wrong....) as regards the rest of our season. Personally when you look at Huddersfield, Cardiff, Burnley, Fulham, Southampton and even Newcastle's present squads/starting 11 then I don't see us becoming relegation fodder or going into freefall to do battle with any of those six just to stay up (especially with two current England internationals in our defence and a striker who played for the national side in the last World Cup, albeit fleetingly as well as other internationals of course) but then again stranger things have happened and we've been pretty abysmal against all the better sides this season - and even against the likes of Bournemouth, Palace and Burnley - the freshness of the Vichai tragedy permitting with the latter game. As others have said, then Southampton will have the new manager bounce I'm sure, you can never write off a Neil Warnock side, while Newcastle are starting to string together some reasonable results too. Also if we did lose to Newport in the FA Cup (especially if we fail to win another league game before then, with only Cardiff at home looking a winnable one at present!), then in my opinion it would hardly be a knee-jerk reaction to follow if Puel was then sacked...…! Many others including myself remember Peter Taylor's Premier League reign starting well, middling out a bit then ending disastrously over just one season and a bit. It stemmed after that damaging home defeat in the FA Cup quarters at Filbert Street to Wycombe of course, we were never the same again thereafter - for a very long time! Maybe the two managers and the two scenarios of then and now aren't really comparable but I just hope it's not history of sorts repeating, 18 years on if you like!! Now you're determined to spoil my Christmas aren't you, you've gone and invoked the name of Peter Taylor! Yes, remember it well together with the fact that this is after all Leicester City and absolutely anything can happen! Who knows, we may even win the Premiership one day! (or get relegated) ?
norwichfox Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 9 hours ago, lgfualol said: I have talked to people born and raised in Leicester that are harder to understand than Puel. Unless you were born and raised in Leicester...I had the same difficulties moving to Norwich....and I grew another finger and webbing between my toes.
CosbehFox Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 2 hours ago, trabuch said: I would have loved to give him another year to truly build a side and a squad. But it appears that isn't going to happen. He is a bit like a slow Wenger. I have to trust Top though. Wenger wasn’t slow at his peak
Tringfox Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 His odds have been slashed for the next premier league manager to leave. Best price 5-1 second to only Mourinho.
Tringfox Posted 18 December 2018 Posted 18 December 2018 29 minutes ago, Tringfox said: His odds have been slashed for the next premier league manager to leave. Best price 5-1 second to only Mourinho. And now best price 7-2, I don’t know if it’s because we play Man City tonight but he is being serious backed for the sack!
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