inckley fox Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 11 minutes ago, Bunyip said: Enough people have voted to say otherwise. My only argument would be that it's very close to the game and people are understandably angered by a miserable display. A couple of days later would be a more accurate measure. For me, it's hard to justify a club with our level of investment firing its manager when we're 11th, especially when you consider the transitional nature of what's happening right now. That said, there's a good argument that he's not the right man. Over 12 months the results haven't been good enough now, fans are disenchanted, key players reportedly unconvinced, performances poor (even when we pick up points it often owes to either forget-tactics-chuck-the-kitchen-sink-at-them, or a bit of good fortune). When that happens, the short-term becomes more important than it usually is, because there's little evidence of progress and decisions have to be made. So he's facing a horrible run of fixtures, and my view is that he either shows some form of sustained progress against stronger opposition - which could provide a springboard for the rest of the season - or we look at ourselves a few games from now in 13th place, out of the Cup, with 14th and 15th closing in, and make an assessment that, on balance, it's not working out. If it's true that first team recruitment isn't a priority for this window (if it were, we'd need any potential new appointment in sooner rather than later) then we can wait. But we have to accept that the Puel era hasn't yet delivered, and needs to offer a few green shoots in coming weeks if we're to advance together. On a final note, I always despair of people saying 'there are no alternatives'. There are always alternatives. And sometimes the most unlikely of appointments turn out to be the best, as we all should know.
foxinsocks Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 It's not the result ... it's the manner of it.... None of us want this football
Bunyip Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 2 minutes ago, inckley fox said: My only argument would be that it's very close to the game and people are understandably angered by a miserable display. A couple of days later would be a more accurate measure. For me, it's hard to justify a club with our level of investment firing its manager when we're 11th, especially when you consider the transitional nature of what's happening right now. That said, there's a good argument that he's not the right man. Over 12 months the results haven't been good enough now, fans are disenchanted, key players reportedly unconvinced, performances poor (even when we pick up points it often owes to either forget-tactics-chuck-the-kitchen-sink-at-them, or a bit of good fortune). When that happens, the short-term becomes more important than it usually is, because there's little evidence of progress and decisions have to be made. So he's facing a horrible run of fixtures, and my view is that he either shows some form of sustained progress against stronger opposition - which could provide a springboard for the rest of the season - or we look at ourselves a few games from now in 13th place, out of the Cup, with 14th and 15th closing in, and make an assessment that, on balance, it's not working out. If it's true that first team recruitment isn't a priority for this window (if it were, we'd need any potential new appointment in sooner rather than later) then we can wait. But we have to accept that the Puel era hasn't yet delivered, and needs to offer a few green shoots in coming weeks if we're to advance together. On a final note, I always despair of people saying 'there are no alternatives'. There are always alternatives. And sometimes the most unlikely of appointments turn out to be the best, as we all should know. But it's not just this game, is it? This is no knee-jerk reaction this is an awakening of even the most optimistic or die-hard Puel fans to the fact that he is taking the club know where. If it were just a few disgruntled posters on here you could easily dismiss it as " angered by a miserable display" but take a look at how many now see the light and want him out. He was never the right man in the first place having been sacked from his two previous jobs for being as boring and negative as he has for us. He simply has to go.
Bunyip Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 18 minutes ago, Buce said: Yes, we have a 12 point cushion. What you should ask yourself is how many points Huddesfield et al will get in their next five matches. About the same as us.
Heymister2015 Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 Should of gone for the new Southampton manager! Came across as a jurgen Klopp type manager and has bought all the fans free drinks for tomorrow’s game to help get the fans on side
Buce Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 1 minute ago, Bunyip said: About the same as us. Then you’ve answered your own question regarding being dragged into a relegation scrap.
BenTheFox Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 We might have to change manager, but we definitely need to bring a few players in at the top end of the pitch.
inckley fox Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 13 minutes ago, Bunyip said: But it's not just this game, is it? This is no knee-jerk reaction this is an awakening of even the most optimistic or die-hard Puel fans to the fact that he is taking the club know where. If it were just a few disgruntled posters on here you could easily dismiss it as " angered by a miserable display" but take a look at how many now see the light and want him out. He was never the right man in the first place having been sacked from his two previous jobs for being as boring and negative as he has for us. He simply has to go. I totally agree. I don't want to sound argumentative, but I wonder if you've just read the first couple of paragraphs of my post, because I think I address these points after that. Of course, I can understand if someone gets bored of my posts after a paragraph or two..! Edit: I obviously didn't read the last line of your post either! I don't totally agree, because I'm not sure it's that simple. Yet.
yorksfox Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 No doubt we have been dreadful to watch for some time now and today's result was utterly predictable, even with Zaha missing for the home team. Puel is not an inspirational leader, he's a poor communicator and promotes a turgid, unappealing style of football. He should leave as should the head of recruitment.
Bunyip Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 4 minutes ago, inckley fox said: I totally agree. I don't want to sound argumentative, but I wonder if you've just read the first couple of paragraphs of my post, because I think I address these points after that. Of course, I can understand if someone gets bored of my posts after a paragraph or two..! No not at all. you always post good posts and I enjoy reading them. A difference of opinion won't change that.
inckley fox Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 1 minute ago, yorksfox said: No doubt we have been dreadful to watch for some time now and today's result was utterly predictable, even with Zaha missing for the home team. Puel is not an inspirational leader, he's a poor communicator and promotes a turgid, unappealing style of football. He should leave as should the head of recruitment. Hasn't the Head of Recruitment left? Or is that 'fake news'?!
Buce Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 I think it’s also worth considering the value of stability after the emotional upheaval this club has undergone so recently. For that reason alone we should be giving it until the end of the season, regardless of opinions on Puel.
ozvaldo Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 He’s not taking our club forward. He’s had how long? - A year? Not much has changed - apart from the fact we rarely score / shoot. He doesn’t make any sense in his post-match interviews. He needs to go.
Frank large Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 If puels given till the end of the season the undoubted quality we have in this squad will disintegrate.
hamptonfox Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 Sacked, obviously. He has a lot of good players, (and some less good) but succeeds in making them collectively worse than they are,. The complete opposite of what any fan would want from their club manager. He looked like a muppet from the start of 2018, and the Arsenal home win saved him from the sack. Home form has been horrendous, home performances miserable, who would vote for more of that?
TonyN11 Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 Only 2 choices - this is like the Brexit question. My choice is keep him until May and have someone lined up to replace him then - unless we have changed our mind by them.
Dan Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 Sacked for me. Today was the final straw. I'm absolutely sick of our pathetic performances which if you're honest, account for about 70% of our games this season. Not necessarily an immediate thing but we should be lining up a replacement. Jardim would be my number one, that would be an astonishingly good appointment from us if we pulled it off. Rodgers is another who's name gets linked a lot. I'm not 100% sold but I'd have him over Puel.
AlloverthefloorYesNdidi Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 In truth nobody needs to worry about Top and the decision makers sacking/not sacking Puel. If it gets to the point where it needs to be done they will do it. They've proven they're not shy of making those decisions
RODNEY FERNIO Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 Although unhappy with the performances I think he should be given the season. My gut feeling though , barring a dramatic improvement, is that he'll be sacked after the Everton game on New Year's Day.... be about the best timing to get a new guy in.
dylanlegend Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 It’s not even the results for me he’s just the most boring manager in the world. We’re going nowhere fast.... problem is I think we’ve reached our level.
Anglodanglo Posted 15 December 2018 Posted 15 December 2018 2 hours ago, Stevosevic said: Nah, that's actually a hard thing to call. Leicester city v Manchester city in late 2018 is very predictable True, Man City are predicted winners in almost every game they play?
Ian Nacho Posted 16 December 2018 Posted 16 December 2018 I put sacked on the train after the game but if I could reverse my decision I'd back. Just want stability now, to the end of the season at least.
mucfox Posted 16 December 2018 Posted 16 December 2018 It is sufficient to watch the body language most of the players....it is only sad. Football has to be fun...football with Puel is no fun at all, neither for the players nor for the fans.
NeilLCFC Posted 16 December 2018 Posted 16 December 2018 6 hours ago, Buce said: Maybe what it says is that since the title win, a section of our support have got the idea that we are a sleeping giant of a club that belongs in the top six by right. Do you not remember the days before 2016? Be careful what you wish for. Before 2016 we weren’t one of the richest clubs in the world, nor did we have one of the highest wage bills. I think it’s fair for people to expect more. No one would ever move forward if they just kept thinking ‘well we were sh*t once’
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