Syd Cupp Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 Hello To all, Fulham Fan In Peace here or pieces after last nights match. A post was placed on the Friends of Fulham forum about Leicester and Ranieri, My question is was it CR tactics that helped create the amazing feat of Leicester winning the prem (This gave hope to any club) or was there more going on in the background etc As for myself I can not fathom out what this guy does or in yourselves case did.? Best wishes for the remainder of the season http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=70320.0
chapero82 Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 It was a combination of things but more from the hard work done by our previous manager, he rode with the wave that he came in on, as soon as he tried to change it, it all went downhill
TheUltimateWinner Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 The year we won it was a perfect storm, good momentum and squad from Pearsons previous season, good recruitment in the summer from Steve Walsh and good man management and tactics from Ranieri, playing to our strengths and not really changing much behind the scenes. Season after he apparently started changing things, messed with our formation and we didn't really have a settled squad (there was an article about how in one game he spent the week before in training preparing for a match with one system and then on the day of the game changed it). He also binned off a few important staff members. If he wasn't sacked I genuinely believe we would have been relegated, he didn't know how to turn a bad streak around.
Babylon Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 5 minutes ago, Syd Cupp said: Hello To all, Fulham Fan In Peace here or pieces after last nights match. A post was placed on the Friends of Fulham forum about Leicester and Ranieri, My question is was it CR tactics that helped create the amazing feat of Leicester winning the prem (This gave hope to any club) or was there more going on in the background etc As for myself I can not fathom out what this guy does or in yourselves case did.? Best wishes for the remainder of the season http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=70320.0 Ranieri was just one part of a much bigger picture going on there. We had exceptional recruitment from Steve Walsh (Mahrez, Vardy, Kante, Drinkwater), Pearson had created a team spirit within the club that still remained. Before Ranieri arrived we ended the previous season in Champions league form to stay in the league and things had really started to click. Don't get me wrong, Ranieri made a few tweaks tactically that helped and for me the main thing was he took the pressure off just to being crazy Ranieri in the press conferences. It was about him a lot of the time and not much focus on the players. But he was no genius, and the more power he got the more things started to unravel... so if anyone slagged us off for getting rid in your fan base, then can probably see why we did now. Love the bloke dearly for what happened, he was was just one thing of 100's of things that went right for it to happen.
Syd Cupp Posted 28 February 2019 Author Posted 28 February 2019 1 minute ago, Markyblue said: The stars were aligned. Our Stars are benched or get put in strange positions
rachhere Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 For me the momentum and foundation was already there through Nigel Pearson's squad. Enter then Kante who is obviously an exceptional talent. What Claudio did really well was identifying what was working, keeping the composure and belief of the players, and not letting them get distracted by all the hype. When you look at teams like Liverpool now and how freaked they got recently about being 7 points clear, we have an awful a lot to thank Claudio for in how he handled the situation. However, we don't really need to thank him for coming in as a tactical mastermind... which I guess sadly confirms what you already suspected.
ThaiFox Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 2 minutes ago, chapero82 said: It was a combination of things but more from the hard work done by our previous manager, he rode with the wave that he came in on, as soon as he tried to change it, it all went downhill 1 minute ago, TheUltimateWinner said: The year we won it was a perfect storm, good momentum and squad from Pearsons previous season, good recruitment in the summer from Steve Walsh and good man management and tactics from Ranieri, playing to our strengths and not really changing much behind the scenes. Season after he apparently started changing things, messed with our formation and we didn't really have a settled squad (there was an article about how in one game he spent all preparing for a match with one system and then on the day of the game changed it). He also binned off a few important staff members. If he wasn't sacked I genuinely believe we would have been relegated, he didn't know how to turn a bad streak around. Both spot on posts. The other point I would add is that our play deteriorated quickly as our title season went on, although this may be understandable under the pressure of going for the title. However, once the next season started and we lost a few games, and badly, Ranieri clearly could not arrest the slide. He was a very strange appointment for Fulham. It was a very strange job to take for Ranieri.
That_Dude Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 He indeed inherited a good core of players with a great team spirit, changed very little but his tweaks were vital ones. I'm firmly comvinced that we wouldn't have won the league without him. Also Kanté.
Fox92 Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 When he took over he didn't change much. Momentum was with us and the base of the squad was there. Our key players from our title winning season, except Kante, were already at the club. That said, he handled everything correct and must have had some great ideas because there's no way that squad should have won the top flight. Season after was a combination of losing our best player (Kante), not bringing in players that were good enough replacements and he started changing things. He had absolutely no idea, that was evident. His teams were strange and inconsistent, the players didn't look bothered, his subs were strange, his signings were poor... I really felt we were going down. There was a lot of very poor performances and results (we lost at places like Sunderland/Hull etc and even went 6 or 7 games without scoring) but losing to Millwall topped it off for me and from that moment I was 100% behind getting rid of him. You're going down and your next 6 games are so so difficult. Shame really because you were so good under Jokanovic in the Championship and played good football. I just don't understand why Ranieri doesn't play the likes of Cairney and Sessengong.
RowlattsFox Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 He was brilliant at maintaining momentum, unfortunately at Fulham he is maintaining a negative momentum. Tactically he was excellent at getting the job done, particularly towards the end of the season but he had some players playing above and beyond their normal level mixed with Kante, Mahrez and Vardy being unplayable. Not a good fit for Fulham in this situation.
VLC86 Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 Truth being told we just took shit loads of drugs tbh.
yorkie1999 Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 Put it like this, if james Pearson hadn’t got caught getting a rim job from a Thai hooker, ranieri wouldn’t have got a look in
The Quick Brown Fox Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 9 minutes ago, Syd Cupp said: Our Stars are benched or get put in strange positions Ranieri did play Kante on the wing in his first few games.
Dames Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 As others have mentioned he came into the perfect situation in regards to momentum and excellent recruitment. He did get us playing 4-4-2 which suited the team to the ground but it was only possible because of how he let Kante play. No other player in world football would have made the same impact as N'Golo did that season, not even Messi. Again as others mentioned his personality and the way he handled the media helped keep the spotlight and pressure off the players. As soon as Kante left it was evident that he did not have a clear and confident plan to replace him and he went full tinkerman. It was obvious he couldn't trust the team to press without Kante and the more that second season in charge went on the more defensive the team became, towards the end we were pretty much a route one football team. The media and the outside world slated us but those who watched us week in week out knew it was the right decision, as hard as it was. There was also rumours that he changed a lot between the scenes after the title win including overhauling our sports science department in favour of a more 'traditional' approach. I've always been inclined to believe this because the team have looked nowhere near as fit since the title winning season. As for Fulham I always thought it was a strange appointment and they were probably hoping he'd bring some magic with him but sadly I think he's all out.
Babylon Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 25 minutes ago, Syd Cupp said: Hello To all, Fulham Fan In Peace here or pieces after last nights match. A post was placed on the Friends of Fulham forum about Leicester and Ranieri, My question is was it CR tactics that helped create the amazing feat of Leicester winning the prem (This gave hope to any club) or was there more going on in the background etc As for myself I can not fathom out what this guy does or in yourselves case did.? Best wishes for the remainder of the season http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=70320.0 What I'll also say is that you should worry about your owners ability to pick managers for going for him in the first place. The warning signs were there, any Leicester fan could have told you that it wasn't just about him, there were books written in great detail about what went on. For someone to say "oooh look what he did there" and sign him up on that basis without the background info is crazy.
Fox92 Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 11 minutes ago, RowlattsFox said: He was brilliant at maintaining momentum, unfortunately at Fulham he is maintaining a negative momentum. Tactically he was excellent at getting the job done, particularly towards the end of the season but he had some players playing above and beyond their normal level mixed with Kante, Mahrez and Vardy being unplayable. Not a good fit for Fulham in this situation. I just don't think he can get teams out of a mess. If Fulham would have gone for a Big Sam type they'd be picking points up.
Stoopid Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 Claudio will always be a hero for us, but as has been said, he kind of rode the perfect storm. There was more to it that, but the next season he unfortunately started to believe his own publicity. It all started to unravel quickly and he had to go - despite all the predictable ' who do Leicester think they are?' hysterical over-reaction. I feared the worst when Fulham appointed him and sadly it's turned out badly Still, if Fulham do go down, there's a certain Frenchman who I believe is looking for a new job...
StriderHiryu Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 16 minutes ago, Syd Cupp said: Our Stars are benched or get put in strange positions That sounds like 16/17 Ranieri for sure. We all love him, but as others have said he was just one factor in a culmination of everything going right at the same time. He does deserve massive credit for making subtle tweaks like playing Kante over Inler, who was our marquee signing that year, playing Okazaki instead of the more technically gifted Kramaric and changing both full backs after getting pasted by Arsenal. But the following season he reverted to full tinkerman and lost the dressing room. Looking at Fulham though, I'm not sure the problem is the manager or the owner. I think the owner signed far too many players in the summer and expected instant results. I know most of your team from last year were loan signings, but I think in signing so many players it was always going to be hard to make a cohesive team out of the squad, no matter who was in charge.
Syd Cupp Posted 28 February 2019 Author Posted 28 February 2019 I didn't expect this many comments from this post. To which i thank you and you all have similar notions and I appreciate your honesty as true supporters. When CR name was first mentioned i placed a post saying "why replace Joka (who seemed to be rotating the defence) with the tinkerman" Syd
FLAN Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 I was saying to a mate the other day I’m amazed he isn’t at least shored them up. He put defensive full backs in for us and we started to look much more solid (De Laet and Schlupp our for Simpson and Fuchs). Having said that all the Kante comments are spot on.
Ric Flair Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 28 minutes ago, Syd Cupp said: Hello To all, Fulham Fan In Peace here or pieces after last nights match. A post was placed on the Friends of Fulham forum about Leicester and Ranieri, My question is was it CR tactics that helped create the amazing feat of Leicester winning the prem (This gave hope to any club) or was there more going on in the background etc As for myself I can not fathom out what this guy does or in yourselves case did.? Best wishes for the remainder of the season http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=70320.0 Ranieri did 3 things on the field that were pivotal. 1) Went 4-4-2 after a pre-season of playing 3-4-1-2 that we had ended the season in style under Pearson 2) Built the whole team around Vardy playing as far up on the oppositions defence as possible, with a high press and a direct and fast counter attacking style. Vardy had previously been chopped and changed in how he played under Pearson and had never really been prolific. 3) Switched from attacking full backs in Schlupp and de Laet to Fuchs and Simpson which immediately made us better defensively and further freed up Mahrez to have licence to roam. He was another player who under Pearson hadn't been in a system which gave him the space to wreak havoc like he got in the title winning season. There were many other factors, mainly N'Golo Kante who is a phenomenon and without him we wouldn't have done what we did for sure. But the groundwork had been set by Pearson in the way we trained, the sports science, the recovery (barely had any injuries) and we had the best recruitment and scouting team in those years leading up to the season we won the league. Our main man begged and pleaded with Ranieri to sign Kante and thankfully he relented and we got him in. When Ranieri is allowed to tweak things and change things how he thinks a team should operate, problems seem to occur. He is good in certain aspects, most certainly in relieving pressure on our players during that obscene season and the best thing he did was get over himself and leave them to it with just a close eye on defending like men possessed. We saw how badly it went and how quickly when he started making sweeping changes on and off the field the following season. This job for him at Fulham was always precarious, I thought he would give your players immediate confidence and you'd do well as at pretty much every club he's ever managed he gets off the mark quickly and then it wears off after a season or less but he's done very little that has helped. It's horrible to see, I thought Fulham would be ok this season after who you recruited and how well you played last season but it just shows how brutal the PL is, we very nearly went straight back down and we were built on the foundations that won us the PL the following season so it's bonkers.
Vacamion Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 People are doing Claudio a bit of a disservice in here. Yes there was spirit and talent, but Ranieri has the tactical nous to swap DeLaet and Schlupp for Simpson and Fuchs, to play Okazaki as a half and half striker support and midfielder to allow us to play two in the middle and two wingers. He made clean sheets a priority and then changed the emphasis to 1-0 wins and defend at all costs, just when we needed it. He handled the media magnificently. I think Claudio was a massive part of our success. To pretend he somehow spawned it and anyone else would have won that league as a manager is fantasy. Yes he struggled after and yes he won't keep Fulham up but credit where it is due. Edit - the post above already said some of this whilst I was ponderously typing it in.
Xen Posted 28 February 2019 Posted 28 February 2019 Everything came together at once in - as others have said - a perfect storm. I don't mean to discredit Ranieri in any way, but perhaps the best thing he did when he took over was to not make wholesale changes like so many managers tend to do. He kept the backroom staff that had such a great bond with the players, training wasn't changed too significantly, and much of the playing staff was already assembled. Okazaki was brought in before he arrived and Kanté - arguably the driving force behind the title win - was in the process of being signed. Ranieri wasn't sold on him and had to be convinced to sign him! Ranieri's biggest change was to switch to 442 from 532 which had served us so well in the great escape. Swapping offensive full backs for defensive-minded ones as well allowed us to switch our focus to resolute defending and incisive attacking - everyone knew their roles and it worked perfectly. It freed up players like Mahrez/Vardy to really hurt the opposition in the knowledge that they didn't have to worry as much about defensive contributions. A lot of that is thanks to Kanté's influence in the middle who was/is phenomenal. Worth mentioning that for his first few games he was actually played out of position on the wing. After the title season we lost Kanté and Ranieri started trying to tinker, and things started to fall apart. That's partly due to players being resistant/unable to deviate from the style which had worked so well for us (but had been 'sussed out'), but also due to poor recruitment (Slimani, for instance), misguided tinkering, neglecting backroom staff (we sacked the club psychologist) etc. He's an absolutely incredibly motivator and man-manager, but tactically he's not the strongest of managers. Ranieri is and always will be a hero here, and when things are going well for him he's brilliant at maintaining that level of performance. When things aren't looking so rosy, however, he gets found out as being pretty limited, unfortunately. He was never going to be a good fit for a struggling PL side, as I think you've realised.
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