Fulham Fan In Peace - Ranieri and How

[Fox In The Box 90]

Just now, Arriba Los Zorros said:

I'm not surprised that he's absolutely bombed since winning the league with us, his 2nd season here really showed his limitations and he's got an extremely short term mindset. Never was an outstanding manager - rather a very lucky one to inherit the position he walked into here. Great strong team ethic, gems like Vardy and Kanté brought in by our head scout, brilliant sports science team put together. Also a perfect storm that season in all the top teams having an off year. He did his best to rip that all up.

 

What you can say, is he is savvy - he did manage the situation he inherited at LCFC extraordinarily well and was smart to realise that not much needed changing.

 

Lots of LCFC fans can't bring themselves to admit this because of all the emotions involved, but deep down I think we all know that Pearson and his assistants contributed more than Ranieri to our title win.

 

 

Pearsons the one thats bombed. His career has absolutely gone to shit being sacked from the Belgian 2nd division.

 

But your point does remain, the title win was a collective effort.

[Mark 'expert' Lawrenson]

Seriously though we rode the wave, momentum from the previous season carried us through the first part, Claudio with his engaging personality was a great figurehead, and we played to our strengths, low possession stats, but when we did get hold of the ball we made the most of it, a good defence, Kante winning everything in the middle with Drinkwater, Vardy and Mahrez in the best form of their lives and a group of solid professionals providing the support. 

[CosbehFox]

3 minutes ago, WoodyFox said:

http://forum.cyclingnews.com/viewtopic.php?f=20&t=31248

 

Andrea Azzalin and Mapei.

Those drugs must have been backfiring at Fulham because Ranieri took him there as well. 

[Edingleyfox]

OK we rode our luck,and a number of other teams were not firing properly, but to win the title by 10 clear points was no fluke

 

Ranieri, the whole team and owners deserved enormous credit for the title win.

 

Sad to hear Claudio was sacked today but it was always going to be a struggle at Fulham

[splinterdream]

Where Ranieri came into his best is when the players realised the might just win it, then nerves set in, he kept the momentum as well as keeping us on the rails, he also made very good substitutions when required. It seemed that Ranieri wanted to stick with the same side the following season and try to get them playing in a different way, they weren't really capable of that and didn't buy into it, he should of gone and spent big in the transfer window on a few high class prem proven players buy he didn't do that, instead he chose to be loyal to what he had.

[WoodyFox]

3 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Those drugs must have been backfiring at Fulham because Ranieri took him there as well. 

Thought just as much of this theory too...

[mowmacrefox]

Just been sacked

[Corky]

Think @Vacamion is closest to it with his view, he did make changes during the season which helped our progress.

 

But the second season started badly (some awful away matches where we barely bothered) and it just manifested itself in the New Year and we were heading down unless something changed.

[Super_horns]

They almost might have well stuck with Slav Jokanavic.

 

Maybe Big Sam will come in trying to create a miracle and he does know the Championship.

[AjcW]

I do have a quiestion for you @Syd Cupp 

 

I'm surprised to see a lack of anger towards the owner and his son who is (correct me if i'm wrong) in charge of transfers??

 

You've undoubtably signed some players who will come good... but not a single "Ready to hit the ground running in the Premier League" player!

I mean it was never going to end well really was it! 

 

If you had £100m you could have tempted players away from mid table prem sides and even taken good players from the Championship like we have.

 

I think an experienced DOF would have made the world of difference

[Corky]

I'm surprised Fulham have been so poor, I thought they'd take a few beatings but their style would have enough to win games against plenty of bottom half sides, similar to how Bournemouth have been.

 

But they've only beaten the teams in 15th, 16th, 17th and 20th once.

[weller54]

47 minutes ago, Royston. said:

Ranieri had the media in the palm of his hand.

He handled that side brilliantly considering the exposure that comes with a small club taking the league by storm.

The rest was luck.

Lucky we had the 3 best players in the league, lucky we didnt get fined for pumping our lads full of steroids and scraping the title by a measly 10 points.

 

 

Lucky that the verminous Spuds were in FBM. 

 

 

 

 

(Full Bottling Mode). 

[urban fox]

Have to agree with the majority. Yes Ranieri inherited the bones of a decent side which were riding the crest of a wave having just pulled off the great escape. The perception is that he didn't change much but that is not quite right. He changed the system to 442, brought in Okazaki for the struggling Krameric, swapped the two attack minded full backs for more defensive ones making us far more solid and hence (with Kante in the middle) allowed our attackers more freedom to stay higher up the pitch and hit teams on the break. The next year as has been said he tried to change things to counter the loss of Kante. There was a bit of bad luck in that the player he signed to replace him got badly injured in his first full game but that aside we looked confused and ill at ease.  Many have said that he reverted to full tinkerman mode but it has to be remembered also that we had the addition of the champions league to content with also and some rotation was inevitable.  It was striking that he mainly put out the side that won the title (obviously without Kante) where he could in the CL and we did well.  The problem was we always seemed to do badly in the games either side of the CL fixtures due to excessive rotation of players.

 

Al in all he will always remain a fondly remembered legend here for what we achieved under his tenure whilst also coming across as a nice guy. Ultimately though, he couldn't cut it when the going got tough and simply ran out of ideas and so, sadly it was probably the right decision to let him go in the end.

[Robin JD Popley]

The sentimental side of me wishes there was a way he could yet again play a part in our future but whatever will be, he'll always be one of my heroes. 

 

 

[Syd Cupp]

3 minutes ago, AjcW said:

I do have a quiestion for you @Syd Cupp 

 

I'm surprised to see a lack of anger towards the owner and his son who is (correct me if i'm wrong) in charge of transfers??

 

You've undoubtably signed some players who will come good... but not a single "Ready to hit the ground running in the Premier League" player!

I mean it was never going to end well really was it! 

 

If you had £100m you could have tempted players away from mid table prem sides and even taken good players from the Championship like we have.

 

I think an experienced DOF would have made the world of difference

Hello AjcW,

Thanks for your comment as to all those that have placed posts to which I have read them all.

I have no anger just frustration on how my club is run (seems to be the way these days with most) there is nothing I can nor the fans can really do,

We have a wealthy owner its fair to say and I feel that if the transfers we dealt with by someone who is more adept with football knowledge rather

than getting the position due to being the owners son we may have faired better with purchases.

 

Yes on paper they seemed good signings and its always wiser in hindsight. 

But The loan signings are not that clever, Schurrle and babel have had moments but nothing special and the others are poor except Chambers

who we have playing in Midfield (I think this was Scott Parker's decision) and can hold his head high.

 

Mitro will be very good as still young. Seri was linked to many big clubs but they pulled out. the Big signing £30M for Anguissa was wasted.

What does irk is bringing in players either not match fit or injured this for me is money badly spent.

 

Last season on the amazing 23 game unbeaten run Joka brought in players that didnt need time to settle in knew the English game spoke the

language and it was easier to click.

 

For me we were not ready to go up  (I'll get some flack for that) as Wolves have proved they were virtually a prem team playing championship footy

so with a couple of tweeks its worked but I feel Fulham came up as a Championship team and have stayed that way.

Joka's football was great last season when he seemed to have a say.

 

To me if the manager cant choose who to bring in to fit a style and its all done with stats why have a manger.

And If stats are the answer the thing that they dont show is a players mentality.   

[BKLFox]

Doesn't matter to you anymore Syd Cupp he's been relieved of his duties!!!

[Free Falling Foxes]

All the reasons folk have posted..............plus my undies.

 

I wore the same ones all season, without washing! Well I did wash them 3 times: before Arsenal home (lost) Liverpool away (lost) Arsenal away (lost) To my mind that proves they played a significant part.

[smitha]

Although Claudio got all the plaudits for winning the league I think a big bout of gratitude should go to Pearson. When Claudio signed on the dotted line a lot of the transfer business was completed or on the road to being done. I think Kante was the only one not completed and there were rumours that Claudio was not that keen on him. With the momentum gained from the previous season everything was in place which he even admitted himself, and he had to change nothing.

 

As been mentioned in previous posts there were a lot of factors in winning the league, players playing to there full potential for a whole season, injury free, and it was like it was written in the stars. Where Claudio did excel was his dealings with the media/press, he had them like putty in his hands, managing expectations levels and his tactics that season were spot on. All in all we had the season of are lives which no one will forget but without the foundations laid before I don't think would have happened.

 

At the start of his second season he started to tinker and for me he prioritised the Champions League which was understandable but some of the performances before we played in Europe were laughable. After Christmas we just went into free fall and if he wasn't sacked we would have been relagated, he would tinker with formations and eventually lost the dressing room, Southampton away when we lost 3-0 to the saints was particularly embarrassing, especially a few weeks later when after he was sacked we played Liverpool off the park with virtually the same team and a tonne more of effort. The difference in the players attitude was amazing they were like supermen!!!!

 

I love Claudio don't get me wrong he gave us the best season of are life's I mean we only lost 3 games for God sake, he spoke with humanity, wisdom and humour and was like a grandad you wanted to cuddle. But when the chips are down of all the managers around today he would be last on my list, I was so surprised when Fulham appointed him but not surprised to how it ended.

Really surprised to where Fulham are as I thought they had a look of a middle of table team especially with the money spent but goes to show that it cannot guarantee success.

 

[surrifox]

10 minutes ago, BKLFox said:

Doesn't matter to you anymore Syd Cupp he's been relieved of his duties!!!

and no doubt a nice little pay off . Gotta love the way the football is a rich rewarder of failure 

[Guest Bob Hazels shorts]

Some excellent posts and takes on Claudios time at Leicester.

 

Club chairman could do a lot worse than seek the opinions of fans from previous clubs in regards managers and player.

I appreciate it hardly going to happen. 

 

Chatting to the better informed Southampton fans before our last game and the only difference was there accent and shirt colour

[norwichfox]

1 hour ago, mowmacrefox said:

Just been sacked

Sorry to hear that, I hope you soon find another job.

[fuchsntf]

3 hours ago, Babylon said:

Ranieri was just one part of a much bigger picture going on there. We had exceptional recruitment from Steve Walsh (Mahrez, Vardy, Kante, Drinkwater), Pearson had created a team spirit within the club that still remained. Before Ranieri arrived we ended the previous season in Champions league form to stay in the league and things had really started to click.

 

Don't get me wrong, Ranieri made a few tweaks tactically that helped and for me the main thing was he took the pressure off just to being crazy Ranieri in the press conferences. It was about him a lot of the time and not much focus on the players. But he was no genius, and the more power he got the more things started to unravel... so if anyone slagged us off for getting rid in your fan base, then can probably see why we did now.

 

Love the bloke dearly for what happened, he was was just one thing of 100's of things that went right for it to happen.

 

3 hours ago, Dames said:

As others have mentioned he came into the perfect situation in regards to momentum and excellent recruitment. He did get us playing 4-4-2 which suited the team to the ground but it was only possible because of how he let Kante play. No other player in world football would have made the same impact as N'Golo did that season, not even Messi. Again as others mentioned his personality and the way he handled the media helped keep the spotlight and pressure off the players.

 

As soon as Kante left it was evident that he did not have a clear and confident plan to replace him and he went full tinkerman. It was obvious he couldn't trust the team to press without Kante and the more that second season in charge went on the more defensive the team became, towards the end we were pretty much a route one football team.

 

The media and the outside world slated us but those who watched us week in week out knew it was the right decision, as hard as it was. There was also rumours that he changed a lot between the scenes after the title win including overhauling our sports science department in favour of a more 'traditional' approach. I've always been inclined to believe this because the team have looked nowhere near as fit since the title winning season.

 

As for Fulham I always thought it was a strange appointment and they were probably hoping he'd bring some magic with him but sadly I think he's all out.

I believe these 2 posts...put a good 95% in perspective...

In all foxes hearts he will remain our Legend,with Pearson mentioned in dispatches..!!

dismissing our sports science staff,and believing Italian old draconian methods were still the way to go,took the

Belief,from playing and B.room staff alike....!!

I believe he deserved another chance in the PL!!!!  But Fulham wasn't it,plus your management should of followed Burnley Dyche mentality..

Slava should have been given this and next season...IMO...

[Unabomber]

Basically they pretended to sack Pearson by making up some ludicrous story revolving around Thailand and prossies and then Pearson wore a Ranieri disguise and we won the league. Pearson then couldn’t be arsed and the real Ranieri took over and we nearly got relegated.

[Cincinnati Fox]

4 hours ago, Syd Cupp said:

Hello To all, Fulham Fan In Peace here or pieces after last nights match.

A post was placed on the Friends of Fulham forum about Leicester and Ranieri,

My question is was it CR tactics that helped create the amazing feat of Leicester winning the prem (This gave hope to any club) or was there more going on

in the background etc  As for myself I can not fathom out what this guy does or in yourselves case did.?

 

Best wishes for the remainder of the season

 

http://www.friendsoffulham.com/forum/index.php?topic=70320.0

 

[Wortho]

2 hours ago, Spudulike said:

I was there when Mullery scored that goal of the century in the FACup. Hope that Fulham stay up, Syd. We did it from a similar position in 2014/15. I can think of other clubs that I'd rather get relegated than Fulham. Good luck.

I was at that game as well. Wasn't it 1-1?