Tuna Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 2 hours ago, StanSP said: What an absolute melon That's Martin Brunt, he's got form for Partridge esque reporting. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 8 minutes ago, brucey said: I have been to games, but not often, as I no longer live in Leicester, don't drive, and sometimes work weekends. It really annoys me when the few who are lucky enough to go to games in person, think that the rest of us should be deprived of our weekly entertainment and escape, just because watching on TV is not as good as going in person. We know that perfectly well, thanks. There’s an argument to say that a game behind closed doors is completely different to a game with fans. Regardless whether that’s watched on TV or not that is Abrasive’s point. Pressure on referee’s, reactions to moments, booing, momentum changes, derbies. They are all factors which make a game with fans very different. I think there’s a mistranslation here of the point being made. Crowds are an external factor to football games which make the sports better. That’s the first point. The second point which may I differ from others is I will miss everything associated alongside the sport when we play for a couple of hours every week. Will personally feel a bit empty watching us play and then the whole event of football switches off from the moment of the final whistle. I totally get watching football for two hours to turn off. I watch non league most weeks. I play and watch Sunday morning football. Even at those very basic levels of football, there are nuances which require some interaction. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 3 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: There’s an argument to say that a game behind closed doors is completely different to a game with fans. Regardless whether that’s watched on TV or not that is Abrasive’s point. Pressure on referee’s, reactions to moments, booing, momentum changes, derbies. They are all factors which make a game with fans very different. I think there’s a mistranslation here of the point being made. Crowds are an external factor to football games which make the sports better. That’s the first point. The second point which may I differ from others is I will miss everything associated alongside the sport when we play for a couple of hours every week. Will personally feel a bit empty watching us play and then the whole event of football switches off from the moment of the final whistle. I totally get watching football for two hours to turn off. I watch non league most weeks. I play and watch Sunday morning football. Even at those very basic levels of football, there are nuances which require some interaction. I think most of us were responding to your original point that behind closed doors football is worse than no football. As behind closed doors football is necessarily on TV, that got conflated. But the point remains that many people, including myself, would much rather have any football (including behind closed doors football) over no football at all. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
AKCJ Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 7 minutes ago, Tuna said: That's Martin Brunt, he's got form for Partridge esque reporting. hahahaha Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 Just now, brucey said: I think most of us were responding to your original point that behind closed doors football is worse than no football. As behind closed doors football is necessarily on TV, that got conflated. But the point remains that many people, including myself, would much rather have any football (including behind closed doors football) over no football at all. My point was really more of a question what satisfaction will people get? I get the two hours entertainment point totally. Is that solely it? Because it seems peculiar that there’s a demand for footballers to risk themselves for solely that. Particularly for waiting the sake of two to three weeks Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 5 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said: My point was really more of a question what satisfaction will people get? I get the two hours entertainment point totally. Is that solely it? Because it seems peculiar that there’s a demand for footballers to risk themselves for solely that. Particularly for waiting the sake of two to three weeks I suppose some people find behind closed doors games more off putting than others. It would stand to reason that those who go to games often, also feel the loss of the fan atmosphere more acutely, as that is their main source of enjoyment from football. Whereas those who seldom go to games may have other ways of adding to the TV experience. e.g I like spending hours after games reading post match threads, reading opposition fans forums for schadenfreude purposes, rewatching highlights etc. It's probably what I enjoy most actually. And none of that is really lost with behind closed doors games. There is an argument about whether footballers should be risking themselves to play as they are in a non essential industry. But IMO the argument should be between whether or not they should be risking themselves at all, rather than the risk being worthwhile only if fans are allowed. Arguably games with fans in attendance are of higher risk to footballers anyway. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 I am happy for footballers to not play, as long as they only get the 2.5k furloughed money a month 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 Mariappa has it. How did he get it ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52744883 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseFox Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 2 minutes ago, StanSP said: Mariappa has it. How did he get it ? https://www.bbc.co.uk/sport/football/52744883 same way as everyone else, either by going out or by someone bringing it home. i know footballers are a bit thick but it's not particularly hard to work out. does he think you can only get it if you go to a party? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
snoopy87 Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 5 hours ago, Finnegan said: Obviously fans in stadiums is preferable, atmospheres are preferable, the match day experience is preferable. I miss going to games, I can't wait for it to come back and even watching on TV its definitely weird watching empty grounds. But anyone that prefers no football to behind closed doors just isn't a fan of the actual sport itself. I mean the simple game of football. And I guess that's absolutely fair enough, I mean, don't get me wrong whatever floats your boat. People like Love Island and the X Factor, they like Adele and Arianna Grande, I don't. You're allowed to like TIFO and ultras and calling the opposition fans willy pullers, I don't resent you that. But objecting to there actually being football to watch on the telly? Politely do one. First and foremost, I love the actual game and the fact the best pros in the world are actually getting back to playing it? And I can break up the boredom of being on lockdown by watching it? As long as they're kept fairly safe then god bless it. This is exactly what i wanted to say about this whole situation but just couldn't find the right way of saying it. The Bundesliga on Saturday was football in its purest form, and I for one enjoyed it, probably helped by the fact i enjoy watching that league anyway, but it was football. It was 22 blokes kicking a bag of wind about again and I can't wait to see it again. When (not if, there's too much involved to not play out the season) the Premier League follow suit, I'll happily sit there and soak in every game I can, one because its a return to some form of normality, two, because I love football. Any football is better than no football Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 Serie A delayed by a week to 21st June. So it’s not just the Premier League who are struggling to agree Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 6 hours ago, ScouseFox said: same way as everyone else, either by going out or by someone bringing it home. i know footballers are a bit thick but it's not particularly hard to work out. does he think you can only get it if you go to a party? Even he didn't know! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ScouseFox Posted 20 May 2020 Share Posted 20 May 2020 lols yeah i know, that’s what i was saying. “i’ve only been out with the kids or to exercise” well that’s probably where you got in then you dope. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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brucey Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 12 minutes ago, StanSP said: I wonder if the remaining 2 undisclosed positive tests are from Chelsea, given that Kante showed up on Tues but not on Wed, and the test results came back on Tues afternoon.... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 On 19/05/2020 at 10:14, brucey said: Yeah I saw that he said he wasn't bothered about the money, as his family is more important, which is a perfectly fine decision. More importantly, if / when he makes the decision to go without pay or on furlough pay, it's going to make it easier on everyone. It seems the players with reservations about returning are contacting him privately about it. So if Deeney publicly opts against returning, in exchange for giving up his salary, any other player will essentially have to agree to the same, so they will all be able to quickly sort out what their priorities are. If he is fine losing his money I have no issue with it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 On 19/05/2020 at 19:30, Cardiff_Fox said: If football is behind closed doors for the future, what do we actually gain as supporters? There’s no occasion to rub it in to other supporters, there’s no pub for banter, there’s no celebrations, there’s highly unlikely to be any fans at European competitions. We would have a few hours of entertainment once a week; a distraction. Think of how horrible winning the FA Cup could be in front of no one. From a fans perspective I don’t understand the need to get football back in a closed doors scenario. There’s an argument to say it’s financially required but every club would be in the same state and there’s very little as a fan we could do about that. We are still in the infancy of this process. Bundesliga has shown the way but we are weeks behind Germany as a country in the process. If you are a match going fan, I can understand the shock, as its not the game you used to. But there is also many fans who dont attend games, match attending fans may consider these fans as scum, but regardless they do exist. Even some match going fans might be ok with watching on TV as its still better than no football. It is interesting to learn from this situation though that many have admitted they only attend football as a means of socialising rather than the game itself. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 On 19/05/2020 at 20:21, Cardiff_Fox said: Okay we score last minute FA Cup Final, run around our living room. What then? No European trip for the fans, no trophy parade, no opportunity to get together in the city. There’s no memories except being sat at home on your armchair. You only have to remember 2016 how football unites people - the whole city for a summer buzzed. Might be hard for you to believe as you have your own life, but yes many fans celebrate in that way, in their living room, its a reason why EPL is so big money now days as is many people who enjoy football in that way. Dont get me wrong, its better with fans in the stadium, better to have parades, but just because we dont have them it shouldnt meane the sport should be shut down, that is a bit selfish, a bit like saying well because I cannot enjoy it then no one else should. I do agree its not ideal, but its better than no football at all. You can still banter with people on here, on the phone, in chat rooms, facebook etc. Also with your family. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, Chrysalis said: Might be hard for you to believe as you have your own life, but yes many fans celebrate in that way, in their living room, its a reason why EPL is so big money now days as is many people who enjoy football in that way. Dont get me wrong, its better with fans in the stadium, better to have parades, but just because we dont have them it shouldnt meane the sport should be shut down, that is a bit selfish, a bit like saying well because I cannot enjoy it then no one else should. I do agree its not ideal, but its better than no football at all. You can still banter with people on here, on the phone, in chat rooms, facebook etc. Also with your family. Another one I haven’t said the sport should shut down. I have said i don’t understand the rush when the sport is a lesser form of itself. The words used to vilify Deeney have been too much. Seems off to me that we rush the players back at greater risk (when a couple of weeks later it will be better) for two hours entertainment every week. I’ve said elsewhere I play and watch Sunday league football. If I’m not at Leicester game on a Saturday, I’m normally at a non league game. I’ve travelled to hundreds of grounds around the country. I’ve even watched a step 4 Welsh game live when staying over for work one evening. Edited 21 May 2020 by Cardiff_Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Chrysalis Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 I think the rush is down to the players refusing the pay cut. If they accepted the clubs would have more of a buffer to sustain themselves without income. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
CosbehFox Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Chrysalis said: I think the rush is down to the players refusing the pay cut. If they accepted the clubs would have more of a buffer to sustain themselves without income. Which we as fans have very little say in if at all Edited 21 May 2020 by Cardiff_Fox Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep blue Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 7 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said: .... Seems off to me that we rush the players back at greater risk (when a couple of weeks later it will be better) for two hours entertainment every week. ... There's no guarantee how much better or worse the situation will be two weeks later. Getting back to some sort of normal is a process of advancing through a set of stages with no dates that can be set in concrete, it is trial and error. Each stage inevitably involves experimentation and people will have to accept that. Footballers are in a situation where the risk has been minimised, as opposed to the situation for most workers. People in Deeney's position have a tight to their view but, as has been inferred on here, they have the means to protect their family by self-isolating for the duration of the games. It us a sacrifice, but these are exceptional times. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Bert Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 The rush to get back is money. Pressure from tv companies. Who are under pressure from governing bodies. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
davieG Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 1 minute ago, Bert said: The rush to get back is money. Pressure from tv companies. Who are under pressure from governing bodies. Isn't that the same with the vast number of companies now starting to open but that aren't entirely essential? Perhaps the question should be why should footballers be treated differently than the overwhelming number of people now being asked to work? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
brucey Posted 21 May 2020 Share Posted 21 May 2020 It will be worse in a couple of weeks. The ideal time to restart would have been now... by the time they regain match fitness, the number of cases will have started to slowly rise again. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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