England squad for Euro 2020 qualifiers against the Czech Republic and Bulgaria - Chilwell and Maddison

[blueharmie]

He wouldn't have started anyway as Southgate picks his non performing team over players in form or at so called bigger clubs.

Least he will be fresh for Saturday!

[Finnegan]

12 minutes ago, ALC Fox said:

Maddison was only spotted there between 8 and 9pm.

 

Was there much later than that but wasn't drinking. 

 

But really I mean, who cares? It's his time. 

 

The whole thing is tragic, both from the Sun and from whichever absolute ****ing wastegash actually grassed him up to them for some gossip. 

 

We moan that footballers are out of touch with the real world but when one of them is just sat quietly on his own mingling with the public playing a few hands of cards, he's either harassed or snitched up or in some other way put off. 

[Manwell Pablo]

9 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

 

Was there much later than that but wasn't drinking. 

 

But really I mean, who cares? It's his time. 

 

The whole thing is tragic, both from the Sun and from whichever absolute ****ing wastegash actually grassed him up to them for some gossip. 

 

We moan that footballers are out of touch with the real world but when one of them is just sat quietly on his own mingling with the public playing a few hands of cards, he's either harassed or snitched up or in some other way put off. 

 

I mean I’m on his side but he has turned down an England call up due to illness and is out in a casino While the game Is actually taking place.

 

if it’s not two fingers to Southgate (if so fair play) it ain’t exactly the smartest move is it. He’s blatantly going to get papped.

 

All good, I doubt it’ll effect anything going forward and most Sun readers have a short term memory of 20 minutes anyway.  

Edited 13 October 2019 by Manwell Pablo

[Finnegan]

2 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

I mean I’m on his side but he has turned down an England call up due to illness and is out in a casino While the game Is actually taking place.

 

if it’s not two fingers to Southgate (if so fair play) it ain’t exactly the smartest move is it. He’s blatantly going to get papped.

 

All good, I doubt it’ll effect anything going forward and most Sun readers have a short term memory of 20 minutes anyway.  

 

For me, the phrase "in a casino" is part of the problem though. It conjures up images of him sat there with some entourage, necking champagne, partying. It couldn't really be further from the truth. 

 

He was actually sat there drinking soft drinks on his own playing poker with a couple of regulars. Guys that go in there just to actually play poker because they enjoy the game. Hobbyists. It is his hobby, he's there quite a lot and is decent at it. 

 

If he was in Forbidden Planet playing Magic The Gathering, nobody would give a shit other than probably calling him a bit of a nerd. But what's actually the difference? 

 

I do agree it's a bit naive, if ever there was a night to be at home watching the telly then that was it but he's a kid, expecting him to be a pillar of common sense is as unfair as expecting him to be a hermit. 

 

The Sun are deliberately trying to spin this to make him look like a bad boy out of control like Grealish passed out in Ibiza or some of the u21s doing nitrous oxide. 

 

But it was literally just a young guy quietly playing a card game. 

 

[Manwell Pablo]

1 minute ago, Finnegan said:

 

For me, the phrase "in a casino" is part of the problem though. It conjures up images of him sat there with some entourage, necking champagne, partying. It couldn't really be further from the truth. 

 

He was actually sat there drinking soft drinks on his own playing poker with a couple of regulars. Guys that go in there just to actually play poker because they enjoy the game. Hobbyists. It is his hobby, he's there quite a lot and is decent at it. 

 

If he was in Forbidden Planet playing Magic The Gathering, nobody would give a shit other than probably calling him a bit of a nerd. But what's actually the difference? 

 

I do agree it's a bit naive, if ever there was a night to be at home watching the telly then that was it but he's a kid, expecting him to be a pillar of common sense is as unfair as expecting him to be a hermit. 

 

The Sun are deliberately trying to spin this to make him look like a bad boy out of control like Grealish passed out in Ibiza or some of the u21s doing nitrous oxide. 

 

But it was literally just a young guy quietly playing a card game. 

 

 

I get that but equally he was literally in a casino 😂 

 

I think the naive thing is pretty much what I was getting at, just have a night in if your turning down an England cap due to illness. 

 

I think getting mad at the sun for embellishment is a bit like getting mad at Dick Dasterdly during an episode of whacky racers because he’s trying to bend the rules but there we are.

[UniFox21]

1 hour ago, volpeazzurro said:

I think the you've summed that all up rather well. I am a big fan of Chilwell but let's be honest, in presented form he's lucky to be playing for us ahead of Fuchs let alone England. Whether Rose is deserved of a place is also debateable. Keane is so poor in a poor Everton defence it beggars belief. Arguably we're better with three at the back but 2 defensive midfielders and his choice of them anyway was poor. No good in having good forwards without creation to get the ball to them. From a great start in trying to play youth, Southgate is starting to show some very worrying traits as pointed out. A chimp should be able to manage a team to get us out of these weak qualifiers but feel that yet again, we'll have a chump leading us when we get there.

I agree RE Chilwell, but Rose has been diabolically poor for Spurs at times. So either or was a risk I guess. 

 

I'm not sure enough can be said for choosing Keane over Gomez. I can half understand Tomori whose not played for the seniors yet. If Keane plays in our next game I'll be fuming. 

 

Exactly. The whole nation could see we weren't getting the ball to the forwards through our defensive set up, yet those who are paid all the money seemed to think we could. 

 

The fact it took so long to change when it clearly wasn't working is worrying. His first sub was 72 minutes, we had 72 minutes of the set up not working. 

[UniFox21]

25 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

I mean I’m on his side but he has turned down an England call up due to illness and is out in a casino While the game Is actually taking place.

 

if it’s not two fingers to Southgate (if so fair play) it ain’t exactly the smartest move is it. He’s blatantly going to get papped.

 

All good, I doubt it’ll effect anything going forward and most Sun readers have a short term memory of 20 minutes anyway.  

Turned down an England call?

The article said he was confined to his room for two days and they didn't want to risk him travelling. 

That's not turning down a call, that's being told to stay at home. Very different things.

 

If he isn't on international duty, he's on holiday just like a lot of our squad are, which means he can do what he wishes within limits.

[easilee]

Maddison non-story wouldn't have even been printed if England had smashed Czech Rep.

Must be his fault we lost.

The Sun are petty scum.

[Manwell Pablo]

1 minute ago, UniFox21 said:

Turned down an England call?

The article said he was confined to his room for two days and they didn't want to risk him travelling. 

That's not turning down a call, that's being told to stay at home. Very different things.

 

If he isn't on international duty, he's on holiday just like a lot of our squad are, which means he can do what he wishes within limits.

 

The Sun article? Full of spot on dead accurate facts?

 

because the one I read on BBC Sport said he withdrew. So apologies if I am wrong but I’m just going with the more reliable source.

 

Like I say, I can’t fault him, but it doesn’t look good does it, we can sit here defending him to the hilt he’s still going to get bashed for it by the wider footballing public, some of which will probably just read the headline and look at the pictures and that’s it.

[Fox in the North]

Considering the Sun’s level of decency I think we’ll sleep easy on this one. It’s not advisable and a bit naive (like others have said), but equally if it’s just what he does to unwind then it’s entirely up to him. I think it’s a different issue if he’s out partying, drunk and disorderly ala George Best. If he’s just playing cards and not really drinking, I don’t see a problem.

[z-layrex]

1 hour ago, ALC Fox said:

From the article, right at the very end:

 

Last night his agent said: “He was confined to his room with a virus on Wednesday and Thursday. He felt slightly better on Thursday but couldn’t be risked to travel with the team.”

 

The Sun know what they're doing. They've always incited outrage over minor things. Maddison was only spotted there between 8 and 9pm. Hardly a Gazza-esque bender straight out of the 90s.

 

Has nobody else ever been out when they're recovering from illness but not yet feeling 100%?

 

It's a non-story from that rag.

It often helps you feel better to get out of the house even.

[UniFox21]

8 minutes ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

The Sun article? Full of spot on dead accurate facts?

 

because the one I read on BBC Sport said he withdrew. So apologies if I am wrong but I’m just going with the more reliable source.

 

Like I say, I can’t fault him, but it doesn’t look good does it, we can sit here defending him to the hilt he’s still going to get bashed for it by the wider footballing public, some of which will probably just read the headline and look at the pictures and that’s it.

"Maddison has withdrawn due to illness"

From both the s*n and the BBC articles. You're keen to miss the due to illness bit in your point. 

 

In my book being ill and withdrawing to stop others in the squad potentially being ill and recovering yourself is very different to turning down an England call up.

 

This has only happened as his England colleagues have royally ****ed up and pissed away a performance. He's more than entitled to enjoy himself on his break from football. As we've all said, its a case of the s*n turning a no story into a chance to push down a pro. 

[Manwell Pablo]

28 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

"Maddison has withdrawn due to illness"

From both the s*n and the BBC articles. You're keen to miss the due to illness bit in your point. 

 

In my book being ill and withdrawing to stop others in the squad potentially being ill and recovering yourself is very different to turning down an England call up.

 

This has only happened as his England colleagues have royally ****ed up and pissed away a performance. He's more than entitled to enjoy himself on his break from football. As we've all said, its a case of the s*n turning a no story into a chance to push down a pro. 

 

I mean you are arguing semantics rather pointlessly and we all know why he didn’t play, withdrawn, turned down, doesn’t really matter. He’s said he’s not playing because he’s not well.

 

I mean I don’t know why your telling me this, as I’ve already said it’s fair enough in my view.

 

That doesn’t change the fact the millions of people who read the sun aren going to be in the pub slating him to high heaven all afternoon and he could of avoided that be staying in.

 

Have no idea what’s going on with this forum at the moment and people not being able to able to separate my personal opinion and my general knowledge of how the world works.

Edited 13 October 2019 by Manwell Pablo

[Guest An Sionnach]

You need to remember in these days of international support a lot of Leicester fans are not English and they don't give a f**k about whether Maddison plays for England or not. If he's firing on all cylinders for Leicester what he does on a night out is his business as long as he behaves like a professional sportsman.

Edited 13 October 2019 by An Sionnach

[Haywood_6]

Anyone got the picture of him counting his chips? 

[shailen]

Well maybe his teammate Jamie vardy has done him the biggest favour with the antics between his wife and coleen which is a far bigger story.

 

I think stories like this have no substance and are only leaked to generate interest after the dentist chair incident at Euro 96. If he was caught drunk or causing trouble that is different, but he was just at a casino as far as we know ffs. 

[UniFox21]

1 hour ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

I mean you are arguing semantics rather pointlessly and we all know why he didn’t play, withdrawn, turned down, doesn’t really matter. He’s said he’s not playing because he’s not well.

 

I mean I don’t know why your telling me this, as I’ve already said it’s fair enough in my view.

 

That doesn’t change the fact the millions of people who read the sun aren going to be in the pub slating him to high heaven all afternoon and he could of avoided that be staying in.

 

Have no idea what’s going on with this forum at the moment and people not being able to able to separate my personal opinion and my general knowledge of how the world works.

I still stand by he withdrew through illness rather than turning down an opportunity to play for England. But end of the day the s*n is twisting a story as per.

 

But on your other point, your personal opinion is correlated to your knowledge on the world. You can tell what people understand based on their opinion and their justification of it.  

This is a forum where people discuss their different opinions. If you're offended by people disagreeing with you, then this probably isn't the place for you. But that's another topic. 

 

End of the day the s*n is stirring crap up to take light from the poor performance. We move on and hopefully will see a reaction from the lads. 

[Manwell Pablo]

43 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

I still stand by he withdrew through illness rather than turning down an opportunity to play for England. But end of the day the s*n is twisting a story as per.

 

But on your other point, your personal opinion is correlated to your knowledge on the world. You can tell what people understand based on their opinion and their justification of it.  

This is a forum where people discuss their different opinions. If you're offended by people disagreeing with you, then this probably isn't the place for you. But that's another topic. 

 

End of the day the s*n is stirring crap up to take light from the poor performance. We move on and hopefully will see a reaction from the lads. 

 

Im starting to think you might be right and I’m seriously thinking about knocking posting on the head although it has nothing to do with people disagreeing with me believe it or not that has happened quite a lot over the last eleven years. More to do with folk completely losing the ability read and understand on here and this is prime example.

 

We don’t even disagree, we have exactly the same view on the subject, I’ve even said I wouldn’t blame him for doing it on purpose.

 

What I have said is, which you seem to view as the opinion you disagree with, is if he did it without consciously knowing it’d get blown up by the press, he was naive to think he could go out on Friday night literally while the game was taking place and not run the risk of a rag like the sun picking the story up, showing him in a throughly bad light, and a fair amount of the millions of people who read it on a daily basis thinking he doesn’t give a Fck about playing for England, and the only way he could of avoided that is staying in. That’s not an opinion, that’s a cast iron fact.

 

but yes, it’ll be yesterday’s news tomorrow and we move on.

Edited 13 October 2019 by Manwell Pablo

[st albans fox]

I guess it’s no surprise the scum have gone for him .... he did diss them in a tweet a few weeks back ....

[Guest Cujek]

5 hours ago, Manwell Pablo said:

 

A World Cup and nations league semi final says other wise.

 

if he’d of done slightly  better he’d be on the queens honours list.

 

I mean if you cared before Southgate and don’t care now, that’s just plain odd.

I haven't cared since 1996 really.

 

The world Cup was a total joke, soon as we played anyone worth playing we lost. As expected. 

 

Compare that to the 1990 semi final, we fought hard we the wins meant something, there was excitement there was passion. 

 

This England set up is devoid of any of the afore mentioned things. 

 

It's cold and soulless and completely uninspiring, I don't know anyone that thought we would win that semi final after the walk through we had to it. 

 

Southgate, who is somehow, not good enough to manage Middlesborough, God knows how, finds himself in charge of the national team, he either has dirt on his bosses or just plain lucked his way into that position. 

 

What is weird though, is that people think he is actually doing a good job.

[purpleronnie]

Just now, Cujek said:

I haven't cared since 1996 really.

 

The world Cup was a total joke, soon as we played anyone worth playing we lost. As expected. 

 

Compare that to the 1990 semi final, we fought hard we the wins meant something, there was excitement there was passion. 

 

This England set up is devoid of any of the afore mentioned things. 

 

It's cold and soulless and completely uninspiring, I don't know anyone that thought we would win that semi final after the walk through we had to it. 

 

Southgate, who is somehow, not good enough to manage Middlesborough, God knows how, finds himself in charge of the national team, he either has dirt on his bosses or just plain lucked his way into that position. 

 

What is weird though, is that people think he is actually doing a good job.

Why do you think it's gone?  People say money, people say their club is more important, but that doesn't explain why other countries top players seem to have the passion still. 

[Guest Cujek]

4 minutes ago, purpleronnie said:

Why do you think it's gone?  People say money, people say their club is more important, but that doesn't explain why other countries top players seem to have the passion still. 

Playing for England used to mean something, it was the pinicale of a player's career, now when they earn millions a year,  it devalues playing for England. 

 

Plus we have been shit since Venebles left, we have had some truly amazing players but there is just no soul in it. 

 

People like allerdyce and Southgate and before them capello and sven, have seen to that. 

 

I think we are just beat down with it all now. 

 

A total overhaul of the national team is required from the top down. 

 

 

[UpTheLeagueFox]

59 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

I guess it’s no surprise the scum have gone for him .... he did diss them in a tweet a few weeks back ....

Going out to a casino, after he withdrew from an England squad due to illness, isn't the smartest move though.

[Beechey]

2 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Going out to a casino, after he withdrew from an England squad due to illness, isn't the smartest move though.

Doesn't really matter though, does it? He was withdrawn because he was unfit to play professional football, doesn't mean he has to quarantine himself in his house.

[st albans fox]

5 minutes ago, UpTheLeagueFox said:

Going out to a casino, after he withdrew from an England squad due to illness, isn't the smartest move though.

Indeed - hence the hoody. I hope he doesn’t frequent them too often .... if you get my drift .......

 

Vards should have told him to stay away from casinos .....