Corona Virus

[Milo]

4 minutes ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

Punched a woman in the toilet roll section. Wasn't buying any, but thought it important to get into the spirit of things - we're all going to have to stick together

Sounds painful

[Ky Le Don]

12 minutes ago, Wet Trump said:

If you touch money you should then wash your hands. The advice is to stop touching your own face too (which is probably the most difficult thing I’ve ever tried to do!) so if you’re touching money, just don’t touch your face until you’ve washed your hands.

good way to start a cashless society

[Ky Le Don]

22 minutes ago, Countryfox said:

My advice is to all stay calm ...     last night in the pub a young girl took out her hawayee mobile phone which was immediately spotted by someone else and all hell broke loose !! ...  pint pots and chairs flying everywhere as people stampeded to the exits ...   I managed to help the girl out but cleverly wrapped bar towels round my hands to avoid contact.   Someone had obviously called 999 as when I left a truck pulled up with armed cops onboard all dressed in those biological HSBC suits ..       I fear this type of overreaction may get worse ...

cant tell if your being serious or not?

[Bellend Sebastian]

3 minutes ago, Milo said:

Sounds painful

Want to know what happened next? Reader, I married her

[Guest MattP]

Surprised how callous many seem to have become over this, they were just interviewing a young couple on sky in London and they said nothing would change for them as their age meant they would be ok even if they got it.

 

Do these people not have parents, grandparents or other elderly relatives? 

 

Even if you have no worries yourself maybe a good idea to exercise concern for your fellow citizens and realise how important it is to do everything possible not to spread something that could potentially kill millions of people?

[Ky Le Don]

15 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

she does? 
 

Only if you are of the mindset that conspiracies lie around every corner and it’s all the fault of the powerful and wealthy 

 

another nut job given publicity by social media .....  jus put my humble opinion ......

 

btw, I’m honest enough to admit I didn’t get past the 5G 60 Gghz causing a viral response ......  I’m pretty embarrassed that I got that far ! 

you may be right honestly its just what someone sent to me and in a world of lies sometimes you dont know what to trust. If the video is correct little research has been looked into 5G. Apparently the test pilot country to kick start 5G was Wuhan last year.  im all for being swayed a different way but at least shes gone into a lot of research into all this. 

[MC Prussian]

3 hours ago, LinekersLugs said:

Wake up people:

 

now we are getting to the truth !
 

This needs urgent action 

We've known for weeks that the mortality rate with the coronavirus is higher than with regular, seasonal flu. Doesn't change the fact that this - so far - is a unique virus and that seasonal flu still costs more people's life on the whole.

Mr. Doctor is just stating the obvious.

 

Channel 4 is dangerously close to creating a hysteria where this is none (so far). The media have an important role to play, and I think they are abusing their power to a certain degree (not all of them, but too many). The panic buys won't help, it's mind-boggling how easily we can be influenced.

[Nick]

Coronavirus is a media wet dream. 

[foxy boxing]

We've had bird flu, Sars, swine flu, zika and the one we have at the moment is Coronavirus. after we've sorted this there will be another. where do these diseases come from, where do they go and why is there always something! is it natures way of cutting down the population. humans have spread far and wide much to the detriment of all other species and to nature itself. if nature chooses to fight back, humans cannot complain!.

[Vacamion]

 

 

My company has completely lost its mind over this virus.

 

We are gearing up just now to stop visiting our clients and their customers.  Clamping down on travel, meetings, etc, too.

 

For years, they never gave a crap about presenteeism, overwork or the threat of deranged punters attacking us, but now it's all hand sanitizer, elbow bumps and self-isolation.

 

Changed days.

 

 

[Strokes]

17 minutes ago, foxy boxing said:

We've had bird flu, Sars, swine flu, zika and the one we have at the moment is Coronavirus. after we've sorted this there will be another. where do these diseases come from, where do they go and why is there always something! is it natures way of cutting down the population. humans have spread far and wide much to the detriment of all other species and to nature itself. if nature chooses to fight back, humans cannot complain!.

You just try and stop me.

[joachim1965]

1 hour ago, Wet Trump said:

If you touch money you should then wash your hands. The advice is to stop touching your own face too (which is probably the most difficult thing I’ve ever tried to do!) so if you’re touching money, just don’t touch your face until you’ve washed your hands.

How do I get on then , looks like I've had it.

[foxile5]

23 minutes ago, Strokes said:

You just try and stop me.

No.

[VLC86]

News article says someone flew from East midland to Poland on a Ryanair flight and has been confirmed with it. 
 

Top stuff.

[Guest Kopfkino]

12 hours ago, brucey said:

Tbf it does entirely depend on which expert you listen to.
Basically no one knows, not even the experts, and everyone is just guessing

 

 

But there is a clear difference. The CMO considers the wider impact of such measures based on the modelling rather than just the modelled spread itself. Closing schools and other social distancing will work to stop the spread to some extent but is it worth it. Whitty points out that for it to be most effective schools would have to shut for two months and that has its own implications that dampen the effect.

11 hours ago, Strokes said:

If you close all schools, how many doctors and nurses are going to have to be at home to look after children?

Well that's it isn't it, people seem to think that shutting things down solves problems without creating any other problems (playing football behind closed doors presents little problem mind) . People cite China as if all they did was shut schools and cancel large gatherings rather than completely shutting down half of the country and stopping people even leaving their homes. Our society is nothing like China's so good luck with that. There will be a narrow window when the cost of shutting schools is outweighed by the benefit, when spread is more extensive but not extensive enough to give up. 

1 hour ago, Wet Trump said:

It’s worth noting that the graph on the right is purely on age and not on whether there were pre existing health issues. Including pre existing health issues would bring those percentages right down, to the point of healthy under 60s would generally have nothing to worry about. 
 

The worry is - we all have relatives or friends who are at risk of this thing and we should be doing everything we can to stop it’s spread. At the moment just wash your hands and practise good hygiene like you should every day of the year.

Yeah, it undoubtedly will disproportionately affect the elderly (even those otherwise healthy) but the way this data is thrown around is unnecessarily scary for the elderly. The reason its so bad for the elderly is that they are far more likely to have existing conditions and if the data had that extra layer in it the story would be different. 

 

People have a responsibility to their fellow family and fellow citizens as we all have to play our part. The other day I read an interview with a member ofhe WHO team where they observed that 70-80% of cases in an area of China were family clusters which suggests individuals can do a lot to spare elderly relatives, neighbours, and friends. South Korea's cases being largely connected to that church probably show how spread happens mostly in close clusters and so simple things like keeping well informed and being responsible can really help. 

 

On South Korea actually, their huge testing numbers mean they're likely picking up milder cases and the CFR is down at 0.7% which is more encouraging than Italy where the CFR is high. A study in Wuhan has found their R0 to be down at 0.3 (estimated 3.5-3.9 otherwise) thanks the the aggressive Chinese methods but crucially it suggests that 56% of cases have gone undetected. 

3 hours ago, MattP said:

Really don't understand your viewpoint sometimes.

 

You can spend months on end telling us we have to listen to experts and then on this biggest health issue we've had for years think the government should then just completely ignore the chief medical officer.

Toddy is just part the brand of people that excessively toss off experts when they provide the dopamine hit for validating their opinion. We all do it to some extent of course but it's something else coming from someone that spent two years wailing expert every time somebody didn't agree with him and now the government listens to its experts and its wrong. 

[Bellend Sebastian]

40 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

 

My company has completely lost its mind over this virus.

 

We are gearing up just now to stop visiting our clients and their customers.  Clamping down on travel, meetings, etc, too.

 

For years, they never gave a crap about presenteeism, overwork or the threat of deranged punters attacking us, but now it's all hand sanitizer, elbow bumps and self-isolation.

 

Changed days.

 

 

The bloke in our office who is now making everyone wipe their keyboards down and all that jazz not long ago left a shitty print of their arse on the toilet seat.

 

They say the virus originated in Wuhan province but I suspect otherwise

[yorkie1999]

1 minute ago, Bellend Sebastian said:

The bloke in our office who is now making everyone wipe their keyboards down and all that jazz not long ago left a shitty print of their arse on the toilet seat.

 

They say the virus originated in Wuhan province but I suspect otherwise

The easy answer is, "don't touch my keyboard you ****"

[Strokes]

5 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

Well that's it isn't it, people seem to think that shutting things down solves problems without creating any other problems (playing football behind closed doors presents little problem mind) . People cite China as if all they did was shut schools and cancel large gatherings rather than completely shutting down half of the country and stopping people even leaving their homes. Our society is nothing like China's so good luck with that. There will be a narrow window when the cost of shutting schools is outweighed by the benefit, when spread is more extensive but not extensive enough to give up. 

 

Right, also after we’ve quarantined the whole country for a month, do we then ban all international travel and migration? Because sure as shit it would still be rife in the rest of the world.

[Milo]

17 minutes ago, Kopfkino said:

But there is a clear difference. The CMO considers the wider impact of such measures based on the modelling rather than just the modelled spread itself. Closing schools and other social distancing will work to stop the spread to some extent but is it worth it. Whitty points out that for it to be most effective schools would have to shut for two months and that has its own implications that dampen the effect.

Well that's it isn't it, people seem to think that shutting things down solves problems without creating any other problems (playing football behind closed doors presents little problem mind) . People cite China as if all they did was shut schools and cancel large gatherings rather than completely shutting down half of the country and stopping people even leaving their homes. Our society is nothing like China's so good luck with that. There will be a narrow window when the cost of shutting schools is outweighed by the benefit, when spread is more extensive but not extensive enough to give up. 

Yeah, it undoubtedly will disproportionately affect the elderly (even those otherwise healthy) but the way this data is thrown around is unnecessarily scary for the elderly. The reason its so bad for the elderly is that they are far more likely to have existing conditions and if the data had that extra layer in it the story would be different. 

 

People have a responsibility to their fellow family and fellow citizens as we all have to play our part. The other day I read an interview with a member ofhe WHO team where they observed that 70-80% of cases in an area of China were family clusters which suggests individuals can do a lot to spare elderly relatives, neighbours, and friends. South Korea's cases being largely connected to that church probably show how spread happens mostly in close clusters and so simple things like keeping well informed and being responsible can really help. 

 

On South Korea actually, their huge testing numbers mean they're likely picking up milder cases and the CFR is down at 0.7% which is more encouraging than Italy where the CFR is high. A study in Wuhan has found their R0 to be down at 0.3 (estimated 3.5-3.9 otherwise) thanks the the aggressive Chinese methods but crucially it suggests that 56% of cases have gone undetected. 

Toddy is just part the brand of people that excessively toss off experts when they provide the dopamine hit for validating their opinion. We all do it to some extent of course but it's something else coming from someone that spent two years wailing expert every time somebody didn't agree with him and now the government listens to its experts and its wrong. 

Now that I would pay to see...

[davieG]

1 hour ago, foxy boxing said:

We've had bird flu, Sars, swine flu, zika and the one we have at the moment is Coronavirus. after we've sorted this there will be another. where do these diseases come from, where do they go and why is there always something! is it natures way of cutting down the population. humans have spread far and wide much to the detriment of all other species and to nature itself. if nature chooses to fight back, humans cannot complain!.

If it was natures way of cutting sown the population surely it would be affecting those that are still capable of procreating.

[yorkie1999]

I'm going with what she said. A city where 5g was rolled out and 2 cruise ships from the same company, both with the latest in 5G technology and a president that seems pretty determined to stop the Chinese installing 5G networks around the globe. Something seems a bit fishy!

[inckley fox]

30 minutes ago, Strokes said:

Right, also after we’ve quarantined the whole country for a month, do we then ban all international travel and migration? Because sure as shit it would still be rife in the rest of the world.

Obviously you're right, but what the WHO seems to be asking is for every outbreak, all over the world, to be treated this way simultaneously. They believe this approach has been shown to work.

 

Of course, we have to keep countries working in the meantime so it's about balance. Looking at some of the more moderate suggestions in the media, it might be possible to get that right. Perhaps we could shift to a four day week temporarily in order to reduce spread, insist on football games being played at 40% capacity with a gap of one seat, and cancel larger gatherings (e.g. the Fallas festival, where a million people from all over Europe will be crowding out bars and packing themselves into the streets of Valencia in ten days). Maybe schools could shift to 2-3 days weeks, with classes at half-capacity. Supermarkets and shopping centres could work to capacities.

 

The strategy is to buy time if we can't contain it. All of these measures - now - would go a long way towards that and might mean we don't have to resort to the most extreme measures further down the line, when we suddenly realise that an aunt has died here, your mate's granny there, and you've probably got it too, and oh **** this is actually 'a thing'.

 

A co-ordinated response by, say, the EU wouldn't hurt. The biggest fuss they've made so far is when they insisted that borders to Italy were kept open a month ago, which wasn't especially helpful.

 

It seems to me that the measures have a bit of all / nothing about them. We'll allow everyone to attend games until we get to the point where nobody does. We'll allow everyone to go to school until we have to cancel it for two months. We won't test pneumonia sufferers for the virus when we're at the brink of an epidemic, then we'll suddenly swing into action and try to test pretty much anyone who asks to be tested.

 

And the attitude which has allowed this to happen is the 'well, I'm young and healthy!' attitude. Often by the same people who, quite reasonably, are worried about climate change. There's a hypocrisy there, if you're bothered about one distant but relatively intangible threat because it will eventually affect you, but not another less distant threat, because it won't.

 

There's still a great chance that in a year's time we'll be saying - 'well, the world didn't end, did it?' But if we are saying that, it'll be down to either antivirals (e.g. Kelatra) intervening, and/or having acted significantly in the meantime.

[reynard]

1 hour ago, Vacamion said:

 

 

My company has completely lost its mind over this virus.

 

We are gearing up just now to stop visiting our clients and their customers.  Clamping down on travel, meetings, etc, too.

 

For years, they never gave a crap about presenteeism, overwork or the threat of deranged punters attacking us, but now it's all hand sanitizer, elbow bumps and self-isolation.

 

Changed days.

 

 

Don't think your company will be alone in this.

Mine has already revised its "guidelines" within 24 hours of the initial lot. Personal overseas travel is now strongly discouraged.

Instructions now include leaving doors open between offices etc so they don't have to be touched so frequently.

I suppose some might argue that caution is the correct path but as you say changed days.

 

On a separate issue I don't think Ive seen the government come out with any policy that affects those employees on zero hours contracts or have I missed it?

 

They really need to especially address the care sector where a great many people work on a zero hours contract and will not get paid a penny of they have to self isolate let alone take time off sick. As they are often looking after the most in need in society there is a potential clash here between people not being able to afford to take time off and exposing some of the most vunerable in society to the virus.

 

[Izzy]

2 hours ago, Swan Lesta said:

Coronavirus is a media wet dream. 

We drove past Milton Keynes hospital this morning where I think some old fella died of corona yesterday.

 

There were loads of media vans with satellite dishes parked outside and reporters milling around. Must admit I wound the car windows up as we passed by 

 

[Izzy]

2 hours ago, Vacamion said:

 

 

My company has completely lost its mind over this virus.

 

We are gearing up just now to stop visiting our clients and their customers.  Clamping down on travel, meetings, etc, too.

 

For years, they never gave a crap about presenteeism, overwork or the threat of deranged punters attacking us, but now it's all hand sanitizer, elbow bumps and self-isolation.

 

Changed days.

 

 

My 11's played this morning and the opposition coach suggested the players do this before the game instead of shaking hands.

 

Must admit the kids quite enjoyed the novelty of the 'chicken wing' shake smashing each others elbows