Guest worth_the_wait Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 32 minutes ago, iniesta said: https://uk.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund The agenda of BLM is a very interesting read... We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. Does that include the NHS ?
Voll Blau Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 7 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said: We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. Does that include the NHS ? Why would it include the NHS? It's not a structure that "disproportionately harms black people".
Sol thewall Bamba Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 3 hours ago, Jon the Hat said: Meanwhile the rest of us abhor both of the groups that attack the police. Quite. Makes me laugh when people who were actively at the rallies the last few days point to other examples of disorder, be it football related, EDL or whatever. So what, are you saying that both your disorder and their disorder is justifiable? Or it's not justifiable? Because it is absolutely one or the other, either violence at demonstrations is OK or it isn't. 1
Jon the Hat Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 53 minutes ago, Lionator said: I disagree. I don't think that justice for victims of rampant paedophiles should depend on bargaining tools and I don't think justice for Harry Dunn should depend on bargaining Prince Andrew. I hate how corrupt this all is in both cases. Yet we're the free democratic west who sneer on China/Middle East. Are we really that much better? Yes, yes we are. Next question.
Jon the Hat Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 48 minutes ago, Innovindil said: We just hide it better. And tbh I agree with you, I hate pedos with a passion. But epstein is dead. Can't really do a lot to him now. That woman still walks free. That doesn't sit well with me at all, and if we have to play some dirty games to get it done, so be it. It was an accident. Hardly the same thing is it?
Innovindil Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 7 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: It was an accident. Hardly the same thing is it? Doesn't matter. A kid is dead and the person responsible should face the consequences, like any normal human should.
Jon the Hat Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 16 minutes ago, worth_the_wait said: We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. Does that include the NHS ? "Black communities are hardest hit by the Coronavirus pandemic. Black people are dying at up to four times the rate of their white counterparts. This is racism." Sounds like it yes! Otherwise i am not sure what they mena here; I suppose it is credible that the lower socio-economic status of BAME people is a factor, and that is linked to racism over time.
leicsmac Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 7 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: Yes, yes we are. Next question. That's a very confident stance given how little anyone on here might actually know about what goes on in the corridors of power and international relations. Not saying that it isn't true, but I'm not going to stick the life savings on it being absolutely cut and dried true if everything was known either. In terms of international activity as opposed to domestic, anyway.
Jon the Hat Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 (edited) 1 minute ago, leicsmac said: That's a very confident stance given how little anyone on here might actually know about what goes on in the corridors of power and international relations. Not saying that it isn't true, but I'm not going to stick the life savings on it being absolutely cut and dried true if everything was known either. In terms of international activity as opposed to domestic, anyway. The West is far from perfect, but China currently has a million plus people in internment camps in 2020. I think this is a pretty safe bet. Edited 8 June 2020 by Jon the Hat
foxfanazer Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 Is it fair to be labelled a racist for not publicly stating your opinion on your social media about all of this? Seems crazy to me 2
Sir Shep Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 Well the virus is killing more men than women so I guess it’s sexist too. Got to be honest I’m getting fed up of this them and us. 2
nnfox Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 21 minutes ago, Voll Blau said: Why would it include the NHS? It's not a structure that "disproportionately harms black people". Which ones do? Specifically. If the NHS doesn't, then we can leave that out the argument, but which ones need bringing in for debate and reform? We have to have a fair and just society, I don't want it to be anything else, but if conversations need to take place, then the specific topics need identifying.
leicsmac Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 5 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: The West is far from perfect, but China currently has a million plus people in internment camps in 2020. I think this is a pretty safe bet. I would direct to the final sentence of my post (which I believe was the particular area the original poster was referring to), as I am well aware of that fact.
Stadt Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 Interesting article https://www.spiked-online.com/2020/06/08/these-protests-have-nothing-to-do-with-racism/ Headline is a bit misleading but Inaya Folarin Iman is black and points out that it’s disingenuous for BLM to push the exact same agenda here as it is in the US. Protestors saying “Hands up, don’t shoot” to unarmed British police is just a weird transplant of US social issues. There’s undeniably racism here but we don’t have hundreds of years worth of oppression. The history of slavery, Jim Crow laws, redlining and police brutality aren’t comparable to the UK’s social history. 1
Voll Blau Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 9 minutes ago, nnfox said: Which ones do? Specifically. If the NHS doesn't, then we can leave that out the argument, but which ones need bringing in for debate and reform? We have to have a fair and just society, I don't want it to be anything else, but if conversations need to take place, then the specific topics need identifying. That's a fair point. The police would seem to be the obvious one, but you're right that specifics would be much more useful for people trying to understand the campaign's aims.
nnfox Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 10 minutes ago, urban.spaceman said: Please tell me it's photoshopped. 1
Nuneatonfox in Manchester Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 “Black communities are hardest hit by the Coronavirus pandemic. Black people are dying at up to four times the rate of their white counterparts. This is racism.” Elephant in the room......
urban.spaceman Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 10 minutes ago, nnfox said: Please tell me it's photoshopped. Fraid not.
StanSP Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 1 hour ago, foxfanazer said: Is it fair to be labelled a racist for not publicly stating your opinion on your social media about all of this? Seems crazy to me No, not at all. Staying quiet, wherever, social media or not, does not equate to being racist or not caring. There's no obligation for anyone to speak out and you are not a racist for not doing so (you could be racist in other ways but that's not one of them ) Social media has the power to give people a voice but that doesn't mean it's compulsory to do so. It's like saying if you didn't attend a protest this weekend, does that mean you don't care about black lives? Nope!
January47 Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 2 hours ago, worth_the_wait said: We’re guided by a commitment to dismantle imperialism, capitalism, white-supremacy, patriarchy and the state structures that disproportionately harm black people in Britain and around the world. Does that include the NHS ? Dismantle capitalism......wonder if Raheem sterling and Tyrone mings agree with that one i notice the ones that took down the statue in Bristol were all white.....looked like old school socialist worker class war types
Countryfox Posted 8 June 2020 Author Posted 8 June 2020 So ... the yanks are very keen to get their hands on Randy Andy the self important waste of space, k1ddy fiddler royal ... and we want to get that murdering old bag who legged it and claimed diplomatic immunity after killing that young lad on his bike ... SWAP !!! ...
Countryfox Posted 8 June 2020 Author Posted 8 June 2020 (edited) Raheem Sterling has just said there are about 500 prem players and only a third of them are black ... Is he seriously saying that clubs, managers, will not sign a talented player if he is black ... yeah, righto. Edited 8 June 2020 by Countryfox 2
StanSP Posted 8 June 2020 Posted 8 June 2020 4 minutes ago, Countryfox said: So ... the yanks are very keen to get their hands on Randy Andy the self important waste of space, k1ddy fiddler royal ... and we want to get that murdering old bag who legged it and claimed diplomatic immunity after killing that young lad on his bike ... SWAP !!! ... I don't get his excuse of saying 'I offered to give evidence 3 times and they refused'. Well now they're asking, so if you have nothing to hide and are innocent, why not go over and offer that evidence...
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