StanSP Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 It's not all violence We all complain about being led by the media and letting them run the narratives but this is what they won't show you, ever 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Pliskin Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 Just now, Finnaldo said: Thanks for the replies lads, @David Guizacovered everything I would mostly, I think the context of being in a museum is the important one for me. We need to be more critical of our past in my opinion, I’m very proud to be British & English, but for all we’ve given to the world there’s plenty we’ve taken as well. I’ve never been ‘guilty’ of our past but I think there’s parts that was glossed over we should account for and look at who we venerate and celebrate in public spaces. And I agree, I have always said this! I've always said how can we celebrate our victories, but ignore our failures... The partition of India, the scramble for Africa, the colonisation of Australia the list is endless, and I can't remember touching on any of these topics until sixth form, and even then it was just a quick scim over it. We seem to be embarrassed to teach it or cover it. We need to drastically improve our education when it comes to history, my nephew once asked me "why are there Indian people in army uniform" whilst watching a remembrance parade on T.V, he didn't even know what allied forces were.... and he's 15..... We are failing diversity thanks to our inability to accept out part in acts of inhumanity. This is the start of how the outlook changes, how we educate our younger generations and how we attempt to move forward in hope of abolishing racism (which i'm not naive to think we can totally abolish it). 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 15 minutes ago, Finnaldo said: Thanks for the replies lads, @David Guizacovered everything I would mostly, I think the context of being in a museum is the important one for me. We need to be more critical of our past in my opinion, I’m very proud to be British & English, but for all we’ve given to the world there’s plenty we’ve taken as well. I’ve never been ‘guilty’ of our past but I think there’s parts that was glossed over we should account for and look at who we venerate and celebrate in public spaces. Agree that as a nation, we are culpable, very culpable in terms of our past activities, and we should never shy away from accepting our roles in these. However, in partial reverse of what yourself and @David Guiza say, although I can offer no better solution, sticking a statue or a plaque in a museum sort of dilutes the effect in my mind, as the audience is instantly shrank. However I can also see that leaving such a statue out in a public space is tantamount to justifying past actions, so it is a difficult one and perhaps removal is the least worst option, yet it just somehow feels like we are airbrushing such beliefs from history if we were to do so. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Crinklyfox Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 Our democracy has been hard-won and is precious to many, including myself. We elect our representatives to act on our behalf, including the making of laws. Our society functions in the way is does because of those laws. Without the rule of law there would be anarchy, where we would have much less control over our lives. As much as I have sympathy for some of the causes, I cannot condone the wanton disregard of the law by individuals who place their own values above those of our society. We are in the middle of a pandemic, a situation that requires discipline from us all to defeat it. That should be our primary objective. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Leicester_Loyal Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 It's easy to forget just how far we've come as a country in just 50 or so years, but there is still work to be done. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Voll Blau Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Crinklyfox said: Our democracy has been hard-won and is precious to many, including myself. We elect our representatives to act on our behalf, including the making of laws. Our society functions in the way is does because of those laws. Without the rule of law there would be anarchy, where we would have much less control over our lives. As much as I have sympathy for some of the causes, I cannot condone the wanton disregard of the law by individuals who place their own values above those of our society. We are in the middle of a pandemic, a situation that requires discipline from us all to defeat it. That should be our primary objective. Quite. Now I know there are selfish elements of these protests who would have paid no regard to social distancing whatever the situation, but the ministerial response to the Cummings incident served as a catalyst for everyone across society to interpret the rules (particularly in these times) in the way they want to. That's asking for trouble when a situation like the BLM protests arises. Of course it's completely dismaying to see those scenes think of the consequences mass gatherings could have for all of our immediate futures, and yes, people should ultimately take responsibility for their own actions, but the lack of discipline has come from the very top here. The government lost the moral authority to govern this crisis when they backed him. They need to get a grip - and quickly. Edited 8 June 2020 by Voll Blau 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
urban.spaceman Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 I bet Harvey Weinstein is fuming. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Innovindil Posted 8 June 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 8 June 2020 Got to feel bad for @Mark. Dude finally slaps down the rona virus drama thread only to get bombarded with madeline conspiracy theories and race wars. Least the football is back soon eh. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 Socially distanced protest in Bedford yesterday. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post RonnieTodger Posted 8 June 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 8 June 2020 Anyone else ****ing sick of the constant whataboutery going on? Again, I'm all for sensible and peaceful BLM protests but the weird pre-empted defence against any second wave is absolving themselves of any blame, by pinning it on people going to the beach, the park, VE Day and Dominic Cummings. You don't have to pick a side and you can be rightly pissed off at the lack of social distancing from everyone involved, no matter what their cause is. Obviously these protests are more important than topping up your tan and more important than any street party, but the stuff I'm reading about the media waiting to pounce on black people instead of idiots doing the conga is just not going to wash. 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
foxfanazer Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 3 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said: Anyone else ****ing sick of the constant whataboutery going on? Again, I'm all for sensible and peaceful BLM protests but the weird pre-empted defence against any second wave is absolving themselves of any blame, by pinning it on people going to the beach, the park, VE Day and Dominic Cummings. You don't have to pick a side and you can be rightly pissed off at the lack of social distancing from everyone involved, no matter what their cause is. Obviously these protests are more important than topping up your tan and more important than any street party, but the stuff I'm reading about the media waiting to pounce on black people instead of idiots doing the conga is just not going to wash. Agreed. I've even seen people taking children to protest and justifying it by saying it's a huge historic moment. Bigger than a global pandemic? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 14 minutes ago, RonnieTodger said: Anyone else ****ing sick of the constant whataboutery going on? Again, I'm all for sensible and peaceful BLM protests but the weird pre-empted defence against any second wave is absolving themselves of any blame, by pinning it on people going to the beach, the park, VE Day and Dominic Cummings. You don't have to pick a side and you can be rightly pissed off at the lack of social distancing from everyone involved, no matter what their cause is. Obviously these protests are more important than topping up your tan and more important than any street party, but the stuff I'm reading about the media waiting to pounce on black people instead of idiots doing the conga is just not going to wash. But if Cummings didn't **** about no one would be breaking the rules. Sorry. Legit can't even make a joke out of it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 1 hour ago, Leicester_Loyal said: It's easy to forget just how far we've come as a country in just 50 or so years, but there is still work to be done. Stop. Far too sensible and level headed for the internet. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Jon the Hat Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 10 minutes ago, StanSP said: Meanwhile the rest of us abhor both of the groups that attack the police. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
StanSP Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 1 minute ago, Jon the Hat said: Meanwhile the rest of us abhor both of the groups that attack the police. What do you mean 'the rest of us'? Are you implying I don't? Cos I'm pretty sure I have stated my thoughts about those that attack police over the weekend/last week being totally wrong... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the Hat Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 5 minutes ago, StanSP said: What do you mean 'the rest of us'? Are you implying I don't? Cos I'm pretty sure I have stated my thoughts about those that attack police over the weekend/last week being totally wrong... I mean those of us not in either video, and indeed not their supporters. The vast majority. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Popular Post Innovindil Posted 8 June 2020 Popular Post Share Posted 8 June 2020 33 minutes ago, Shane said: Oooh easy one. We'll send him when they send that woman that killed that young lad. 10 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
yorkie1999 Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 2 hours ago, foxfanazer said: Agreed. I've even seen people taking children to protest and justifying it by saying it's a huge historic moment. Bigger than a global pandemic? It'll be an historic moment if something comes out of it but, i very much doubt there will be any changes in this country. What can you change? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Brizzle Fox Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 4 hours ago, StanSP said: It was chucked in to the harbour afterwards They had to roll it a fair bit before it got dumped. I think they're gonna fish it out and stick it in a museum. Will add a little extra to the narrative. Yeah that was a long way to roll it.. Over cobbles as well. Impressive effort. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Lionator Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 1 hour ago, Innovindil said: Oooh easy one. We'll send him when they send that woman that killed that young lad. I disagree. I don't think that justice for victims of rampant paedophiles should depend on bargaining tools and I don't think justice for Harry Dunn should depend on bargaining Prince Andrew. I hate how corrupt this all is in both cases. Yet we're the free democratic west who sneer on China/Middle East. Are we really that much better? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
iniesta Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 https://uk.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund The agenda of BLM is a very interesting read... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Innovindil Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 4 minutes ago, Lionator said: I disagree. I don't think that justice for victims of rampant paedophiles should depend on bargaining tools and I don't think justice for Harry Dunn should depend on bargaining Prince Andrew. I hate how corrupt this all is in both cases. Yet we're the free democratic west who sneer on China/Middle East. Are we really that much better? We just hide it better. And tbh I agree with you, I hate pedos with a passion. But epstein is dead. Can't really do a lot to him now. That woman still walks free. That doesn't sit well with me at all, and if we have to play some dirty games to get it done, so be it. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Dahnsouff Posted 8 June 2020 Share Posted 8 June 2020 10 minutes ago, iniesta said: https://uk.gofundme.com/f/ukblm-fund The agenda of BLM is a very interesting read... Quite far reaching it seems, but it is to be expected I think Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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