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On 31/08/2020 at 09:07, lcfc278 said:

Genuine question, but why would the government want to force us to wear masks and to not let us go out and socialise with our family and friends if we could do? What do these people protesting against masks etc. think is going on?

 

Heard people saying the government wants to control us etc. but surely it is in the government's interest to have everywhere that generates income through tax open for business etc. as it would mean more money for the country. So I don't think the current restrictions are there to punish us at all, why can these protesters not see this?

They for sure want to control us, even a bbc journalist thinks the local lockdown's are to avoid losing that control.

 

So many people in this country think there is no lockdown anymore, and are ignorant to places like Leicester City having not been out of lockdown for circa 6 months.

 

I had one guy tell me the government are playing it safe and its justified because of immigration been high in the area, not only is that discrimination, but I told him, they hardly playing it safe when schools are reopening and almost every business can open.

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On 31/08/2020 at 15:31, Cardiff_Fox said:

Governments don’t gain from this pandemic. They have seen their economies fall off a cliff (directly impacting the majority in our House of Commons) 
 

I fully expect that opinion will change on the incumbent govts not during the pandemic but the aftermath and financial implications. 

Depends.

 

How many of these things would a tory government get away with when is no pandemic?

 

Borrowing at record levels.

The biggest social security spending since WW2.

Locking down cities, or even the entire country for months on end.

 

Not only that all of the usual governance problems are barely been reported on as its not as newsworthy as the pandemic.  Sometimes a disaster can aid a government such as the falkland islands war.

 

The typical voter isnt going to blame them next election for the economic drop off.

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On 02/09/2020 at 09:16, kristianity77 said:

We are currently in kos and the hotel we are in ( which is running at 50 percent capacity) is now panicking because it looks like we might be asked to come back  shortly because of what's happened in Wales and Scotland.  But the truth of it is is that they take it WAY more seriously over here and take every precaution possible that we don't do in England, yet countries that rely on the tourism like here are being punished for it.

 

Another frustrating thing is that the government love this 20 in a 100000 infection as being the target a country cannot go above, yet Greece to my knowledge,never has.

 

Plus, these people on these flights from Zante, how can anyone with any conviction say it came from Greece? Someone who gets on a flight and goes away for 7 days could have taken it with them with no symptoms when they left, and the symptoms came out whilst on holiday. 

 

It all stinks a bit really to me when our infection rate currently nationally is higher than these countries, yet we haven't been barred from a lot of places.  Plus, we can impose restrictions here on specific places, but we cant do the same to abroad?

It is farcical I agree, the xx per 100k metric for starters is very flawed, its heavily manipulated by testing counts.

 

the 20 per 100k is also flawed, because it wasnt that long ago the UK was above that number and we was planning to exit lockdown at the time.

 

I expect if our average went up, the target number for travel bans would also go up.

 

Then they keep changing it on a whim, oh look the country is down to 19 yesterday lets declare it safe, as if 21 is significantly more dangerous than 19.

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On 03/09/2020 at 22:41, Leicester_Loyal said:

****ing hell!

 

 

How did this update in law get passed, it is unfair to the officers to enforce such a law.

 

Many other exemptions for things require proof, e.g. discounted train tickets, then get disability pass, that pass in turn requires proof of qualification, want to park in restricted areas? then show blue badge as proof of exemption.

 

In this case a law has been passed granting people an exemption and bizarrely does not require proof to be shown, inevitably people will abuse it.  The police are then expected to identify those who are abusing the system without proof been required.

 

If the passenger was right, however I cannot support him, he was rude and aggressive, the correct course of action is to comply and appeal after.

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On 04/09/2020 at 00:22, Leicester_Loyal said:

To be fair I am in support of the masks if they help prevent the spread, I just thought the police were a little over the top. As far as I'm aware I didn't think it was law to wear one nor that evidence was needed as proof of a medical condition. The copper will probably find himself suspended come tomorrow evening, the videos will go viral in the next 12 hours.

You dont think the guy's reaction wasnt over the top? completely uncivil behaviour.

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7 hours ago, Chrysalis said:

How did this update in law get passed, it is unfair to the officers to enforce such a law.

 

Many other exemptions for things require proof, e.g. discounted train tickets, then get disability pass, that pass in turn requires proof of qualification, want to park in restricted areas? then show blue badge as proof of exemption.

 

In this case a law has been passed granting people an exemption and bizarrely does not require proof to be shown, inevitably people will abuse it.  The police are then expected to identify those who are abusing the system without proof been required.

 

If the passenger was right, however I cannot support him, he was rude and aggressive, the correct course of action is to comply and appeal after.

Appalling coppering.

At his age, he ought to know how to deesculate a situation. 

 

 

Why didn't he radio for support before wading in? Why did he choose to increase the potential spread of virus by creating a scene that caused shouting and a scuffle?

 

Passenger was a ****. But coppers are trained to deal with pricks

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11 hours ago, Paninistickers said:

Appalling coppering.

At his age, he ought to know how to deesculate a situation. 

 

 

Why didn't he radio for support before wading in? Why did he choose to increase the potential spread of virus by creating a scene that caused shouting and a scuffle?

 

Passenger was a ****. But coppers are trained to deal with pricks

I expect he didnt radio because manpower shortages has likely encouraged cops to deal with things without backup, I expect 9 out of 10 people comply, so having a cop army every time someone needs removing from a train would be overkill.  But he perhaps should have asked for backup before trying to physically remove him.

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I've started seeing family and friends properly this last month or so (in person, indoors, with no distancing/masks etc) and I can't tell you how much better I feel for it. I've always thought of myself as an introvert, but being starved of social contact was starting to take it's toll on me mentally - especially as I'm still working from home. 

 

 

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5 minutes ago, Lionator said:

Up to 3000 cases today, up by over 1000, it's clear a surge in cases is happening, let's just hope deaths and admissions stay low.

Definitely worrying seeing the number of cases continue to rise. Hopefully we don't see an increase in deaths. Was always likely to happen.

 

 

Just now, rachhere said:

This really is the worse time to be opening universities again, especially looking at what has happened in the US since they have started back. 

Have to agree with you, many universities simply don't have the buildings/public transport links designed to cope with social distancing. 

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2 minutes ago, UniFox21 said:

Have to agree with you, many universities simply don't have the buildings/public transport links designed to cope with social distancing. 

Not sure if you are in the union, but they are advising that staff should refuse to do anything face to face. I was in two minds about that as I do think it’s really important for students mental health to give them opportunities to interact, but that can’t be at the expense of the overall nations health. It’s so difficult though as it’s what students are expecting now. 

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5 minutes ago, rachhere said:

Not sure if you are in the union, but they are advising that staff should refuse to do anything face to face. I was in two minds about that as I do think it’s really important for students mental health to give them opportunities to interact, but that can’t be at the expense of the overall nations health. It’s so difficult though as it’s what students are expecting now. 

I'm not currently, have heard a few bits of suggestions. Luckily I don't have to fully be face-face with them and just will end up being in the room I believe. Can see why it's being suggested, especially with the rise in cases we're seeing. But as you've mentioned, it's about finding that fine balance

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16 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

Doesn’t surprise me at all. We’ve been taking too many chances with holidays and foreign travel.

Do you really believe this rise is a consequence of holidays and foreign travel? The virus never went away here, it’s more than likely being spread amongst the younger generation who many seem to have forgotten how to socially distance rather than being imported from abroad.

 

On a good note only 3 deaths today.

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22 minutes ago, StanSP said:

So what's the reason for the jump in cases?

 

More testing? The knock-on effect of society opening up? Test and trace data being included? Historical data? 

Probably a bit of all of those. I've never been tested as I've not had symptoms and neither has anyone in close family but wasn't it really difficult to get a test until June or something? You had to be seriously ill to get one? Now it seems you can easily get tested.

 

Lockdown boredom and raves/ holidays are probably contributing. They reckon the sharpest increase is in younger people who would fit into the more blase demographic. When I've been out and about most people are behaving sensibly and sticking to the rules but it only takes a few to go against it.

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1 hour ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

People and the media should be concentrating more on the hospital intakes and deaths rather than the spike in cases. They are the stats that really matter.

Not really. The one follows on from the other. We have been around 3 weeks behind France and Spain previously and there's no reaon to suppose it will be different this time around. Universities and schools going back are likely to make the numbers even worse.

What is different right now is that younger people are being infected. They don't seem to get as ill but if they spread it to those more vulnerable our hospitals will be swamped yet again.

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1 hour ago, Mark 'expert' Lawrenson said:

People and the media should be concentrating more on the hospital intakes and deaths rather than the spike in cases. They are the stats that really matter.

The theory says that the hospital admissions will eventually follow on from the uptick as the cases are currently widespread amongst the 15/40 y o and over the next four weeks that will spread upwards across the generations. I would say hospital admissions will show an initial slow increase from late September if the theory works out in practice ......followed by a faster one through October 

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19 minutes ago, reynard said:

Not really. The one follows on from the other. We have been around 3 weeks behind France and Spain previously and there's no reaon to suppose it will be different this time around. Universities and schools going back are likely to make the numbers even worse.

What is different right now is that younger people are being infected. They don't seem to get as ill but if they spread it to those more vulnerable our hospitals will be swamped yet again.

 

11 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

The theory says that the hospital admissions will eventually follow on from the uptick as the cases are currently widespread amongst the 15/40 y o and over the next four weeks that will spread upwards across the generations. I would say hospital admissions will show an initial slow increase from late September if the theory works out in practice ......followed by a faster one through October 

Cases have been increasing in the start of July yet hospitalisations and deaths have not.

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2 minutes ago, Nalis said:

 

Cases have been increasing in the start of July yet hospitalisations and deaths have not.

They’ve been pretty slow going up but now we maybe seeing something of an acceleration - if the daily case numbers drop back to between 1000 and 2000 per day then perhaps we won’t see that step up from younger generation to older take place .....I’m making an assumption that the increase we’ve seen in France and Spain will repeat here but that’s not a given 

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50 minutes ago, reynard said:

Not really. The one follows on from the other. We have been around 3 weeks behind France and Spain previously and there's no reaon to suppose it will be different this time around. Universities and schools going back are likely to make the numbers even worse.

What is different right now is that younger people are being infected. They don't seem to get as ill but if they spread it to those more vulnerable our hospitals will be swamped yet again.

You are only surmising, and guessing that one automatically follows on from the other, what happened first time around doesn’t necessarily mean it will happen again.I really hope you’re wrong.

 

 

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