Coronavirus Thread

[Crinklyfox]

10 hours ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

https://news.sky.com/story/coronavirus-millions-of-over-50s-could-be-told-to-stay-at-home-to-avoid-second-nationwide-lockdown-12040780

It is not clear that this policy will be pursued yet and I hope that it never is.

 

Some inadvertent transmission of Covid-19 is inevitable but there are also behaviours that encourage spread.  Whilst the vast majority behave responsibly in this pandemic there are some who just do as they wish and care little for the consequences to others.  In my view the government would do better to address the issues causing the increase in spread rather than punishing the victims.

 

If someone drives a car in a manner which has the potential to cause an accident and endanger others, even if this is not their intention, they can be charged with the criminal offence of dangerous driving.  I'm not aware of any equivalent for similar endangerment outside the car in English Law (there is Reckless Endangerment in the US).  This would be an appropriate time to put something in place for the good of us all.

[Leicester_Loyal]

1 hour ago, Crinklyfox said:

It is not clear that this policy will be pursued yet and I hope that it never is.

 

Some inadvertent transmission of Covid-19 is inevitable but there are also behaviours that encourage spread.  Whilst the vast majority behave responsibly in this pandemic there are some who just do as they wish and care little for the consequences to others.  In my view the government would do better to address the issues causing the increase in spread rather than punishing the victims.

 

If someone drives a car in a manner which has the potential to cause an accident and endanger others, even if this is not their intention, they can be charged with the criminal offence of dangerous driving.  I'm not aware of any equivalent for similar endangerment outside the car in English Law (there is Reckless Endangerment in the US).  This would be an appropriate time to put something in place for the good of us all.

I totally agree with you bud. If there was something in place to actually punish people not following the rules then less people would be doing it.

 

I wrote on here ages back that it was needed, but there still hasn't really been any changes. Ever since they gave us a local lockdown, I've just been doing whatever I want (within reason and still responsibly), and it seems like there's plenty of others on here that feel the same.

[Leicester_Loyal]

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53632043

 

Coronavirus: New 90-minute tests for Covid-19 and flu 'hugely beneficial'

 

A 90 minute result is excellent news.

[Costock_Fox]

16 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53632043

 

Coronavirus: New 90-minute tests for Covid-19 and flu 'hugely beneficial'

 

A 90 minute result is excellent news.

Shame Brendan hasn’t had this for the last 7 months 

Edited 3 August 2020 by Costock_Fox

[filbertway]

7 minutes ago, Leicester_Loyal said:

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-53632043

 

Coronavirus: New 90-minute tests for Covid-19 and flu 'hugely beneficial'

 

A 90 minute result is excellent news.

This is the kind of news I want to read about, I'm fed of of hearing about lock downs, mental predictions, bad news, people arguing with each other over inane things.

 

What are we doing to live with the virus, we live in a world that revolves around money, we simply can't keep shutting down entire states/countries/cities to protect a small minority of people. It's not a viable way of living and will.

 

Seeing this is a step in the right direction. Ideally we could get bio-passports, get tested daily or at least before attending an event/location where there will be a lot of people. To get into the events you have to have your passport scanned on your phone. If you're caught trying to sneak in then it's a big old hefty fine or community service.

[Costock_Fox]

2 minutes ago, filbertway said:

This is the kind of news I want to read about, I'm fed of of hearing about lock downs, mental predictions, bad news, people arguing with each other over inane things.

 

What are we doing to live with the virus, we live in a world that revolves around money, we simply can't keep shutting down entire states/countries/cities to protect a small minority of people. It's not a viable way of living and will.

 

Seeing this is a step in the right direction. Ideally we could get bio-passports, get tested daily or at least before attending an event/location where there will be a lot of people. To get into the events you have to have your passport scanned on your phone. If you're caught trying to sneak in then it's a big old hefty fine or community service.

There are still risks attached to that because of the incubation period but this along with a proper, functioning track and trace surely has to be the way to return to some form of normality before mass immunisation.

[filbertway]

1 minute ago, Costock_Fox said:

There are still risks attached to that because of the incubation period but this along with a proper, functioning track and trace surely has to be the way to return to some form of normality before mass immunisation.

Oh aye, there's always going to be risks though right. It's an invisible virus that doesn't even register to the vast majority of people. I would assume that while in incubation that it's not nearly as transmissible as when it's trying to go to town on you and spreading? If a cotton bud being rammed up your nose and down your throat can't pick it up, then it must be hard to spread at that point?

 

Judging from the article it looks like we're investing in getting testing even better so I'm happy that we appear to be heading in that direction. I just wish we heard more stories like this about what we're trying to do to live with the virus. Maybe I need to expand my internet searches past bbc news haha

[fuchsntf]

18 hours ago, fox_favourite said:

That's quite a rant. Some odd concepts in there as well. 

 

To say that people work from home are all "meaningless jobs" is bit of a broad statement. I will say that, yes some jobs are not able to do at home and are very important. From NHS, bin collection, postal workers etc...cant work from home. However, there are people who can work from home that have important jobs. Everyone has a role in the economy. Without pay, you can't spend. If you can't spend, then companies don't receive income...you see where I'm going with this. So matter what your job,it's important. 

 

I agree, maybe we can learn lessons from this, but I think you might want to rein in this rant a little. My hope is that we can get through this soon as possible to resume life and then get your wish to see Leicester lift the FA cup

I was trying to Balance " homeworkers" Media & Political platforms out somewhat....Its all been about Working from home....but No highlights  of... Sorry more important jobs...If you  got my gist, if the society imploded ,Jobs from home wont cut it...!!!! I wasnt implying that we would get back to "normal"...

 

I have already got my Mad-max & Water-World clobber out....prepared my hounds & sleigh ,Knocked up some type of Transport with motor,built on baked beans tins...Ready for all possibilities...Included on my kit-transporter a mast & sail....for Land or water.....

So Dream on home-office workers and Save the world.....when Internet flubbers,TV Networks crumble, when nobody has interest on listening to any  News...!!

Prvt James Frazier Prophecy is Not Two Shakes Away from being upon us ..We are....Dooooooomed.....!!!

Edited 3 August 2020 by fuchsntf

[fuchsntf]

16 hours ago, Parafox said:

There's talk of closing pubs and restaurants when schools go back. I don't get the correlation. Anyone care to explain? 

Stop the kids,going for a Pint  during their break...Tuck-shops also closed....

[simFox]

On 02/08/2020 at 10:35, Aus Fox said:

The sex stories were the big rumours which are still unconfirmed, but obviously if true are shocking.

But from someone I know close to the events, the biggest problem was the same security guards were working days shifts at the hotels and then doing night shifts as UBER drivers - hence the mass spread of the virus across the state. 
Then there is the selfishness of some people 130 people with confirmation of the virus not being home when random checks were carried out is beyond selfish and bordering on criminal. If I lost someone close to me due to the direct link to someone not doing the right thing I’d lose my shit.

The volume of people still having parties, carrying on as normal is baffling to say the least and is so frustrating for those of us sitting back and doing the right thing.

I know quite a few people nervously waiting for tomorrow’s announcement about jobs and industry which will be shut down for 6 weeks. It’s certainly not the place to be right now.

I really don't think this virus is as bad as it was initially thought. Sure a few old people died and many others with complications, including a handful of otherwise healthy individuals. But by and large it's fairly benign. To the point where what we are doing now to people's livelihoods and the economy is far far worse, but we are now in this strange political stand off where admitting what we're doing is worse and so we continue the fear, the bedwetters keep crying and the government try to slowly backtrack without anyone noticing. All the while the media keep grabbing headlines and selling "stories", after all, the worse it is for us, keeps it better for journalists.

 

Wake up, it's time to get off the merry-go-round.

[Ollie93]

3 minutes ago, simFox said:

I really don't think this virus is as bad as it was initially thought. Sure a few old people died and many others with complications, including a handful of otherwise healthy individuals. But by and large it's fairly benign. To the point where what we are doing now to people's livelihoods and the economy is far far worse, but we are now in this strange political stand off where admitting what we're doing is worse and so we continue the fear, the bedwetters keep crying and the government try to slowly backtrack without anyone noticing. All the while the media keep grabbing headlines and selling "stories", after all, the worse it is for us, keeps it better for journalists.

 

Wake up, it's time to get off the merry-go-round.

I agree, I don't think it is as bad as once thought, however I don't think we can go back to how we once were.

 

My Mum and Grandma, are so scared to leave the house, it is now becoming such a mental strain on them. I think it's now starting to do more damage than good tbh.

[Sampson]

i mean, 60,000 have died on the "excess death" charts when it's transmitted to an estimated 5% of the population. If anything, it's worse than we initially thought. And that's not to mention there's probably more than that who now have to live with permanent damage to organs.

Again, we've had NHS workers on here say over and over again, it's the worst period they've ever experienced back in March/April time. Just read MPH's posts here over the past couple of months to see how "benign" a mild case is.

What do you want us to do, just let cases continue to rise and not put a stop to it, even if over a million die? Also, pushing back treatment for all other kinds of things like cancer or deimensia/alziemers or things which require instant care like heart attacks, strokes and asthma attacks?

The whole point of lockdown was to stop the overwhelming of the NHS and that still remains the case. People seem to forget that. As soon as cases begin to rise again, we risk that happening again. And we have to put more restrictions in places when cases begin to rise again.

"wake up"? Wake up to what? That that kind of complacent thinking could cause the death or a horrible life-debilitating disease to millions?

"Sure a few old people died and many others with complications, including a handful of otherwise healthy individuals. but by and large it's fairly benign." is just awful, awful misinformation.

I perfectly understand the argument that people die from economy impacts, that 30,000 people died extra over 8 years of austerity I get that - but it's miles away from doing more harm than good. The number of people who'd die or have horrible inhibiting times directly from covid and indirectly from the NHS being overwhelmed would be hundreds of thousand, if not millions, not thousands and it massively outweighs the number of people from the economy being slowed down by about 10 times. 

 

I have no doubt that the people criticising the pulling back of measures would also be the first criticising a 2nd lockdown if it has to come due to the NHS becoming swamped again when it would be exactly that kind of complacency which would have caused it. We've already seen that with several countries around the world including the US.

Edited 3 August 2020 by Sampson

[Costock_Fox]

23 minutes ago, Sampson said:

i mean, 60,000 have died on the "excess death" charts when it's transmitted to an estimated 5% of the population. If anything, it's worse than we initially thought. And that's not to mention there's probably more than that who now have to live with permanent damage to organs.

Again, we've had NHS workers on here say over and over again, it's the worst period they've ever experienced back in March/April time. Just read MPH's posts here over the past couple of months to see how "benign" a mild case is.

What do you want us to do, just let cases continue to rise and not put a stop to it, even if over a million die? Also, pushing back treatment for all other kinds of things like cancer or deimensia/alziemers or things which require instant care like heart attacks, strokes and asthma attacks?

The whole point of lockdown was to stop the overwhelming of the NHS and that still remains the case. People seem to forget that. As soon as cases begin to rise again, we risk that happening again. And we have to put more restrictions in places when cases begin to rise again.

"wake up"? Wake up to what? That that kind of complacent thinking could cause the death or a horrible life-debilitating disease to millions?

"Sure a few old people died and many others with complications, including a handful of otherwise healthy individuals. but by and large it's fairly benign." is just awful, awful misinformation.

I perfectly understand the argument that people die from economy impacts, that 30,000 people died extra over 8 years of austerity I get that - but it's miles away from doing more harm than good. The number of people who'd die or have horrible inhibiting times directly from covid and indirectly from the NHS being overwhelmed would be hundreds of thousand, if not millions, not thousands and it massively outweighs the number of people from the economy being slowed down by about 10 times. 

 

I have no doubt that the people criticising the pulling back of measures would also be the first criticising a 2nd lockdown if it has to come due to the NHS becoming swamped again when it would be exactly that kind of complacency which would have caused it. We've already seen that with several countries around the world including the US.

Re MPH I think the symptoms he had he didn’t really have a mild case to be fair. There is a study that’s been done via an app tracking people’s symptoms and anyone suffering hallucinations is in about the 5th bracket of seriousness and it sounds like he was lucky not to end up in hospital.
 

https://covid.joinzoe.com/post/covid-clusters

[yorkie1999]

9 hours ago, Crinklyfox said:

It is not clear that this policy will be pursued yet and I hope that it never is.

 

Some inadvertent transmission of Covid-19 is inevitable but there are also behaviours that encourage spread.  Whilst the vast majority behave responsibly in this pandemic there are some who just do as they wish and care little for the consequences to others.  In my view the government would do better to address the issues causing the increase in spread rather than punishing the victims.

 

If someone drives a car in a manner which has the potential to cause an accident and endanger others, even if this is not their intention, they can be charged with the criminal offence of dangerous driving.  I'm not aware of any equivalent for similar endangerment outside the car in English Law (there is Reckless Endangerment in the US).  This would be an appropriate time to put something in place for the good of us all.

Locking down the over 50s to stop the spread of the virus epitomises how incompetent this government and our so called leaders are. The non married and  single are the problem, they are the ones champing at the bit to get out and party, they are the ones that are prolonging this problem, they are the problem. The majority of people that are dying are either of bad health or aged, but they’re not spreading it, it’s spreading amongst them because of their immunity resistance. How can some old biddie in an oaps home possible contract a virus without any outside interaction. How many over 50s put themselves in a position of mass gatherings and parties, not many. The whole problem is being exaggerated and prolonged by young people socialising, cos that is what they do. I know one person who always has a cold or the flu, sits next to me at the football, guess what, he’s sub 30 and is always out on the piss, these are the carriers. The government should put a lockdown on 20-30 year olds, cos everything they’ve done so far hasn’t worked

[MonmoreStef]

Regarding 30,000 people dying during 8 years of austerity in Sampson’s post. If you actually think those 8 years were hard for people the next couple are going to make you think again. Suggesting the austerity that is waiting for us, when the bill for this fiasco needs settling, will compare to the so called 8 years mentioned is miles off the truth. 

[Sampson]

928 confirmed cases today. Up from 685 this time last week.

 

The rolling 7 day averages definitely starting to accelerate now.

 

Hopefully the local restrictions do their job and the cases don't continue to accelerate in this manner.

[FLAN]

Seeing all the media pics of the pros on holiday I won’t be surprised to see much higher positive rates in the next round of testing ahead of pre season. Nobody seems bothered from what I can see 

[z-layrex]

3 hours ago, simFox said:

I really don't think this virus is as bad as it was initially thought. Sure a few old people died and many others with complications, including a handful of otherwise healthy individuals. But by and large it's fairly benign. To the point where what we are doing now to people's livelihoods and the economy is far far worse, but we are now in this strange political stand off where admitting what we're doing is worse and so we continue the fear, the bedwetters keep crying and the government try to slowly backtrack without anyone noticing. All the while the media keep grabbing headlines and selling "stories", after all, the worse it is for us, keeps it better for journalists.

 

Wake up, it's time to get off the merry-go-round.

A benign virus doesn't come this close to bringing a first world country's critical care capacity to collapse. I don't even know where to begin when I read things as stupid as this.

[Sampson]

2 minutes ago, MonmoreStef said:

Regarding 30,000 people dying during 8 years of austerity in Sampson’s post. If you actually think those 8 years were hard for people the next couple are going to make you think again. Suggesting the austerity that is waiting for us, when the bill for this fiasco needs settling, will compare to the so called 8 years mentioned is miles off the truth. 

You think these restrictions are a "fiasco"?! Really?

 

The economic impact this will have is not even comparable to the pain and suffering which will be caused if we let the virus continue to rise again and the NHS to become swamped to capacity again.

 

50,000 excess cancer deaths are already predicted in the next few years due to the NHS not having the capacity to treat patients due to covid the first time round. Many other conditions won't be much better. Not to mention the hundreds of thousands who'd die directly from the virus if we let it spread and not give the NHS the capacity to treat it properly.

 

I sympathise with people losing their livelihoods from the restrictions, I genuinely do. However, it is absolutely incomparable to the other option. How anyone can sit there and genuinely say the restrictions are making things worse is beyond comprehension to me.

 

You really think places like Brazil where they refused to enact restrictions for so long are going to end up being better off having not done that long-term?

[StanSP]

27 minutes ago, Sampson said:

928 confirmed cases today. Up from 685 this time last week.

 

The rolling 7 day averages definitely starting to accelerate now.

 

Hopefully the local restrictions do their job and the cases don't continue to accelerate in this manner.

Is this down to increased testing? 

[Guest Fktf]

If you think the virus hasn't been all that bad, remember that is a result we achieved because of the lockdown. 

 

If we ever breach nhs capacity, then you'll see the virus start to kill people that would have otherwise recovered if they had access to treatment. 

[Sampson]

17 minutes ago, StanSP said:

Is this down to increased testing? 

Uo over 40% from last week? I very much doubt it. Testing and test and trace have been in for much longer than a week now.

 

Cases are definitely on the increase now and the rate at which they're rising is increasing now too. As it was starting to show in Spain and Feamce a week or two ago as well.

 

However there might still be a lag on the local restrictions placed in Manchester, Lancashire and Yorkshire a few days ago. So hopefully they do their job and cases start to come down again.

Edited 3 August 2020 by Sampson

[Stivo]

At here is a new  uk dashboard launching tomorrow, you can see it here in beta

https://coronavirus-staging.data.gov.uk

 

it seems to have a lot more data, eg daily number admitted to hospital.

[moore_94]

Finally had my back to work phone call to return on the 17th... 2 weeks to sort out my absolute mess of a sleeping pattern

[Strokes]

1 hour ago, Sampson said:

928 confirmed cases today. Up from 685 this time last week.

 

The rolling 7 day averages definitely starting to accelerate now.

 

Hopefully the local restrictions do their job and the cases don't continue to accelerate in this manner.

It’s looking prime for a second wave and a second national lockdown to me. Hold onto your hats.