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Man City CAS

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AndyK

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1 hour ago, Clever Fox said:

Surely UEFA have the right to Ban clubs from competitions . So the minute they refused to cooperate they should have been banned from competition. That would have brought them into line quickly.

 

That might be within the regs, I don't know whether they dictate sanction by offence.

 

There must be a reason they don't go for it. If they were allowed, I agree entirely with the last sentence.

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2 hours ago, AndyK said:

The other side is that UEFA is in a mess, and constantly under siege from the G14 sabre-rattling, to stop more people upsetting their applecart. It certainly looks like UEFA went for broke - 2 years or nothing, and can turn and shrug at the G14 - "we tried".

I does appear to have been desperation by UEFA. They've clearly come under pressure from G14 trying to prop up FFP

 

The problem is when the next sponsorship deal is done, how do you judge if it's overinflated, if this deal was o.k?

 

£800m? £1.5bn? £30bn? O.K?

 

Even if the source of the sponsorship money is genuine, how can UEFA stop state (with links to a football club owner) loans to the sponsoring company and the money going full circle?

 

I think the answer is, they can't, and if they can't then FFP is dead.

 

 

 

 

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AndyK

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8 hours ago, Vestan Pance said:

I does appear to have been desperation by UEFA. They've clearly come under pressure from G14 trying to prop up FFP

 

The problem is when the next sponsorship deal is done, how do you judge if it's overinflated, if this deal was o.k?

 

£800m? £1.5bn? £30bn? O.K?

 

Even if the source of the sponsorship money is genuine, how can UEFA stop state (with links to a football club owner) loans to the sponsoring company and the money going full circle?

 

I think the answer is, they can't, and if they can't then FFP is dead.

 

I think any sponsorship from a 'related party' in accountancy terms will be reviewed for fair value.

 

For any other sponsorship, I don't think there is a way to limit it, or I've forgotten if there is one. That's if UEFA find out about any arrangement.

 

On that basis, certainly FFP as it is now looks as though can be got round.

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AndyK

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48 minutes ago, when_you're_smiling said:

So Man City, who bleated on about the investigation being biased, actually chose the chairman of the panel that investigated it and who had the deciding vote.

 

That’s not dodgy at all! 
 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2020/jul/28/uefa-claim-against-manchester-city-over-sponsor-money-time-barred-cas-rules

MCFC nominated/recommended someone, UEFA and CAS saw no problem in it, so it was a mutually agreed appointment of the parties . 'Chose' implies that it was not open to being contested.

 

I have no idea how common such recommendations are - Conn's piece is written for effect, and is quite partisan to his perspective. Amazingly, he claims to be a MCFC fan!

 

My understanding was that it was to get the thing dealt with quickly. Presumably of CAS' 300 people, some are busy elsewhere and unavailable, or are more focussed on other fields like drug matters.

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51 minutes ago, AndyK said:

MCFC nominated/recommended someone, UEFA and CAS saw no problem in it, so it was a mutually agreed appointment of the parties . 'Chose' implies that it was not open to being contested.

 

I have no idea how common such recommendations are - Conn's piece is written for effect, and is quite partisan to his perspective. Amazingly, he claims to be a MCFC fan!

 

My understanding was that it was to get the thing dealt with quickly. Presumably of CAS' 300 people, some are busy elsewhere and unavailable, or are more focussed on other fields like drug matters.

I mean, he is. He has been all his life. If you've ever read or listened to the stuff he's put out over the years then you'll know there's nothing "amazing" about it. He's a fan.

 

I'm sorry that some Man City fans have principles, that some Man City fans can look past the blind loyalty you are all clearly showing. Diminishing someone's support for a football club just because they don't toe the party line is just a bit pathetic, really.

 

Then again, as much as a blast as this is, any other supporter's fans would do the same, so it's not a surprise he gets the pelters he does.

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AndyK

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10 hours ago, Footballwipe said:

I mean, he is. He has been all his life. If you've ever read or listened to the stuff he's put out over the years then you'll know there's nothing "amazing" about it. He's a fan.

 

I'm sorry that some Man City fans have principles, that some Man City fans can look past the blind loyalty you are all clearly showing. Diminishing someone's support for a football club just because they don't toe the party line is just a bit pathetic, really.

 

Then again, as much as a blast as this is, any other supporter's fans would do the same, so it's not a surprise he gets the pelters he does.

 

That was intended to be tongue in cheek. I'm aware of his history, but he's been wrong on things over this matter.

 

It doesn't require 'blind loyalty' to view a piece as partisan and not acknowledging alternative views and facts. I find it odd and discouraging that a journalist specialising in the business side hasn't - the original piece he put out yesterday has been toned down a fair bit.

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And now they sign Torres from Valencia for a bargain fee.

 

It's funny because we were linked with him last year and nearly had CL money this summer and we desperately need a right winger because they already bought ours but Mahrez and Sterling and Foden isn't sufficient and now we have Congerton and no money hahahaahaah I love football at the moment 

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m4DD0gg

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When teams like man city blatantly break all the financial rules implemented in the game then it starts to become whats the point.

 

I would quite happily let the likes of them Man Utd, Chelsea etc all **** off into their own european super league.

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3 hours ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Quite interested to see how the next case between CAS, UEFA and Trabzonspor goes.
 

UEFA have lost three cases of FFP - PSG, Manchester City and AC Milan......

Have they qualified for the UCL? Perhaps we can have their place as Man City have taken ours on a technicality. 

 

:rolleyes:

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It's this kind of thing that really doesn't bother me so much if we get relegated to the Championship. 

If you want to have a football club that is your state-sponsored plaything that you just pump money into - fine. But don't do it in our league. The EPL need to have the backbone to just put in some basic rules 

- number of players a team can have physically on the books (so none of this 25 man squad with 20 out on loan)
- squad salary cap 

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Just a question of scale really. Football clubs have always attracted morally ambiguous owners - the filthy rich, if you want. 

And although money often buys success (and impunity), that's not always the case. As our own recent history so gloriously demonstrates.

That's why it was so disappointing to see us adopt the poodle mentality we did against Liverpool and Manchester City this season. Be great to see us revert to our sod 'em all fighting attitude next season. Just not sure if that's part of Brendan's make-up. In fact,  it's pretty clear it's not.  

But we'll see...

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13 hours ago, sdb said:

Depressing, on many levels. 

 

The hate some of these journalists are getting for shining a light on wrong doings is especially bleak.

Well that depends if any of the emails have been doctored as they have been accused of. 

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1 hour ago, The Bear said:

Well that depends if any of the emails have been doctored as they have been accused of. 

Two were edited together - after seeing the originals, CAS said it was distorting but not enough to make them unuseable. All the emails did was give UEFA a prima facie case to investigate - that makes sense, and all parties accept that they had cause to investigate.

Unfortunately for the case it appears that's all they had.

I don't see a way that MCFC could actually prove 'innocence' categorically - various auditor reports don't seem to be enough - I think it's a bit irritating that this seems to be the demand, rather than someone to produce proof of guilt.

 

I do think that an email suddenly showing up as edited damages Der Spiegel's input a little - it seems absolutely barking to edit the evidence beforehand, and that people like Nick Harris are happy to continue to claim that the emails were authentic is plain stupid of him. They've got another 5.5 million records to work through! 

 

The latest one seems to be with the intention to prove that Pearce lied to CAS - if he did, he's an absolute idiot, and would be gone like a shot. I imagine there's a long discussion to be had on what is understood by 'arrange', but if DS had anything more, why not release it beforehand? It doesn't seem to be definitvely damning, and I'm not sure it's of much use due to UEFA's timebarring issue.

 

As a Wolves fan, what do you know of your club's involvement with the letter asking that any ban was not suspended pending appeal? I've heard that Wolves signed the letter, but then withdrew at some point. I've said before that I can see the case for the request to not allow a delay, and it's fairly irrelevant as no such request was made.

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