Man City CAS

[sdb]

We'll have that CL spot now then thanks. 

 

What isn't corrupt these days?

[KFS]

3 minutes ago, sdb said:

We'll have that CL spot now then thanks. 

 

What isn't corrupt these days?

Pro-rated for two seasons? Yes please 

 

In all seriousness this league is so bent. Man C financial doping, Chelsea owned by Russia and now Newcastle owned by Saudi. The yanks half arsing it with Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal. It’s all ****ing boring as a result 

Edited 7 April 2022 by KFS

[st albans fox]

No doubt by the time they are charged, CAS will rule that the misdemeanours are too historic to bring any sanctions against the club …..

[Vacamion]

 

The Champions League has just announced its wish to refer to "historic performance" to help big clubs qualify.

 

Not so keen on the history of good governance, probity or fair play, though, eh?

 

 

[justfoxes]

5 minutes ago, Vacamion said:

 

The Champions League has just announced its wish to refer to "historic performance" to help big clubs qualify.

 

Not so keen on the history of good governance, probity or fair play, though, eh?

 

 

If that were us we’d been thrown to the lions, it’s amazing how these clubs get away with so much that they feel they’re untouchable just wondering  now if they do win the champions league whether the other teams in the competition will push for an investigation to be bought against Man City ?

Edited 7 April 2022 by justfoxes

[Corky]

2 hours ago, Vacamion said:

 

The Champions League has just announced its wish to refer to "historic performance" to help big clubs qualify.

 

Not so keen on the history of good governance, probity or fair play, though, eh?

 

 

The fans and the club seem really up for the Europa and Conference Leagues. That is the future for me.

[Supergray22]

It just a side entrance to a super league like structure. Shocking. I can’t believe this will be the end of it. 
 

 

[Finnegan]

None of that is any different to what we already knew about Man City, it's just financial doping. I have the same stance now as I did last time this came up - I don't think we as Leicester fans should want to see them punished for this and we should be careful how  much we kid ourselves that we're all that different. Our principal sponsor, of both shirts and stadium, for years was our own owners - do we not think they were and are doing that in order to inject more in to the club than FFP really allows? 

 

FFP is and always has been there to maintain status quo, not to protect any clubs "from themselves." It's about making sure that the clubs with the biggest commercial footprints remain the clubs that are allowed to spend the most on the playing staff. It was always going to be a problem for Manchester City to operate like the biggest club whilst also being nouveau riche. The Old Money in world football wants a closed shop.

 

Don't get me wrong, Manchester City buying up trophies with oil money from an autocratic, slaving state is vulgar and I wish it wasn't so. But it should have been tackled the right ways - their owners should never have passed a fit and proper test, the league should have iron-clad salary caps and spending budgets that apply universally to all clubs. There's ways of tackling this shit ethically.

 

But the only real winners if Man City get done by the Premier League are Liverpool, Manchester United, Arsenal and co' - the old school "massive."

[RonnieTodger]

Bored of it.

 

Nothing will happen, as per. Await next scandal.

[Lambert09]

2 hours ago, st albans fox said:

No doubt by the time they are charged, CAS will rule that the misdemeanours are too historic to bring any sanctions against the club …..

We'll be hearing "this would only punish the players and fans which isnt fair" 

[MarriedaLeicesterGirl]

2 hours ago, KFS said:

Pro-rated for two seasons? Yes please 

 

In all seriousness this league is so bent. Man C financial doping, Chelsea owned by Russia and now Newcastle owned by Saudi. The yanks half arsing it with Man U, Liverpool and Arsenal. It’s all ****ing boring as a result 

Yes, but the Chelsea thing sets a precedent. Saudi Arabia is (allegedly, for the lawyers) committing war crimes in Yemen. Newcastle isn't owned by a Saudi oligarch, it's owned by the freakin' government! Man C's financial doping is something of a unique obscene nature. I could see the other big clubs thinking it is in their best interest to see Man City go down for this: It's a preemptive strike against Newcastle, and -- with Chelsea being sold -- doesn't really affect the ownership of the other "big" clubs, and helps calm the premier league arms race. 

[Leicester_Loyal]

Nothing will happen as per.

 

Unless we have a salary cap, it's pointless having FFP, as the big clubs just get the advantage again.

[KingsX]

41 minutes ago, Finnegan said:

None of that is any different to what we already knew about Man City, it's just financial doping. I have the same stance now as I did last time this came up - I don't think we as Leicester fans should want to see them punished for this and we should be careful how  much we kid ourselves that we're all that different. Our principal sponsor, of both shirts and stadium, for years was our own owners - do we not think they were and are doing that in order to inject more in to the club than FFP really allows?

 

You're miles off base on this one, even before you try to compare our Club's actions to the massive ongoing cheating by Man City.

 

For years after our title, as it and European campaigns massively raised the club's profile, the KP sponsorship deal remained among the cheapest in the League -- quite a bargain -- and our commercial income remained mid-table, very close to the relegated clubs'.  Look at just two years ago.

 

Man City's commercial income was £246M, Everton's £76M, ours only £29M.  The shirt deal is a pittance, half of ***ing Burnley's.  The figures don't lie.

 

 

[foxile5]

Whilst it'll prompt some teeth gnashing from certain sectors there will be no real come back. 

 

Boring and predictable. All will be forgotten and hushed up in about six months. 

[Strokes]

Rules don’t apply to the big clubs, they are only designed to keep the rest of us below them.

[Fox in the North]

 

[Out Foxed]

have some balls

take their titles away or **** off.

 

[Aus Fox]

The whole system gets me, we, and a player were penalised for submitting paperwork 14 seconds late. The result was the player never really recovered from, we lose a player for 6 months. On the other hand blatant cheating and cooking the books is still being dragged out in courts 4 years later.

I do wonder, IF Man City are found guilty, if there is room for us to sue for lose of earnings?
if there 2 year Champions League ban had be upheld we would have qualified for the CL two years running and potentially made 100s of millions in tv deals, sponsorships, merchandise as well as the money for being in the competition.

[urban.spaceman]

7 hours ago, Finnegan said:

I have the same stance now as I did last time this came up - I don't think we as Leicester fans should want to see them punished for this and we should be careful how  much we kid ourselves that we're all that different. Our principal sponsor, of both shirts and stadium, for years was our own owners - do we not think they were and are doing that in order to inject more in to the club than FFP really allows? 

Have to disagree with the comparison - KP’s shirt and stadium deal was signed at market rate in the Championship - £4m - and remained in place for a full 10 years. Making it eventually way below our real value from 2016 onwards, until the Thailand Smiles campaign and now FBS deal came in with much more cash. 
 

What Man City have been doing, and we know this for a concrete fact, is disguising money from their owners in sponsorship deals that were already inflated anyway - in some cases 90% of cash supplied in deals came directly from their owner. That’s against the laws and they’ve been spaffing money on lawyers to block and obfuscate every single letter of the legal processes for years. 
 

That’s majorly different and is the reason only they abstained from the vote to block Newcastle’s owners doing the same and why we and everyone else voted for it. 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, Aus Fox said:

The whole system gets me, we, and a player were penalised for submitting paperwork 14 seconds late. The result was the player never really recovered from, we lose a player for 6 months. On the other hand blatant cheating and cooking the books is still being dragged out in courts 4 years later.

I do wonder, IF Man City are found guilty, if there is room for us to sue for lose of earnings?
if there 2 year Champions League ban had be upheld we would have qualified for the CL two years running and potentially made 100s of millions in tv deals, sponsorships, merchandise as well as the money for being in the competition.

....when the club signed up to the federation, they also agreed that they would not be pursue any legal action against them!!!

[MPH]

What a corrupt club from top to bottom. On top of the blatant overspending and hiding it, faking sponsorship deals..pressuring young players to sign contacts, illegal payments, etc. Fake contracts to former managers..

 

 

 

 

Relegate them!

Edited 8 April 2022 by MPH

[sacreblueits442]

6 minutes ago, MPH said:

What a corrupt club from top to bottom. On top of the blatant overspending and hiding it, faking sponsorship deals..pressuring young players to sign contacts, illegal payments, etc.  relegate them!

...it depends how far you think they should go!!!

I would say at least to League 2, but you know the F.A. are not strong enough. At worst a points deduction of say 20 points, which in some seasons could equate to them still fighting for the league.

  Like Rugby Union and Saracens, they were relegated to the next tier, spent a season outside of the Premiership and now contesting the title with a resurgent Leicester Tigers. They still held on to the majority of their top players, and it is still not clear how they managed to retain them.

[Fox in the North]

 

[UniFox21]

Wonder how they manage to make these go away  

[Fox in the North]

1 minute ago, UniFox21 said:

Wonder how they manage to make these go away  

Well this has been in the civil courts for at least 3 years (Kieran Maguire has referred to it many times), and they’ve not been able to hush it away. Just hope whoever is pushing it has done their homework this time and is prepared.