Hamza

[deanolegend1989]

8 hours ago, Tom12345 said:

Sorry to chime in Deano, just adding another perspective and without repeating all the observations many have already stated in various threads, when Wilf was playing we were not more “creative”. We have played some good football with Mendy in the team as he can help the ball move forward as a team. A problem identified last year is that given Rodgers like to play possession football from the back, we lacked the quality needed to have the ball brought forward from the back to midfield fluidly and with speed when teams play a high press against us - this is what Norwich did in late 2019 and other teams followed and hence our collapse. Chilwell and Ndidi were in particular liability in that department and Madders was asked by Rodgers to drop back to help out but he was not suited for that role. In my opinion, Mendy is much better in that role. But it is a team sport. When we are pressed, we need to have all of our back players to be able to confidently move the ball around. So when Castagne was playing instead of Chilwell (not Justin was always going to play on either side if Ricardo does not play), we solved that problem a lot better - last season, when the ball got to Ndidi, his lack of passing skills meant he often has to pass it back or makes risky forward passes; when the ball got to Chilwell, it often led to a backward pass; and as we played 4 at the back with Ndidi supporting, having 2 key of the 5 players who constantly backpass meant that we often could not get into the opponent half as fans may recall. This season, Rodgers is solving that problem much better because of a formation change and having Mendy there. We are not playing as well in recent games and hence why you may think Mendy is useless is because we also have Castagne injured! Albrighton is OK, but he is not RB and not as good as Castagne. To play the style that Rodgers wants the team to play, we need all our outfield players to be able to pass accurately and fast. So Fofana is also an upgrade in this regard. When we have our two first choice full backs back - Ricardo and Castagne - you will see why Mendy is even more important as he can help keep the ball moving to our attacking players. He is so good in dropping into holes to help teammates make a pass or to fill in holes that are left behind by others who dashed forward, all in the while that when he gets the ball, he is more accurate than Wilf in being able to get the ball upfield (though Wilf was also improving before he was injured). Defensive wise, Ndidi is better of course, but Mendy is not bad too - he is stronger than he looks and his positioning is excellent.

I see it differently but it’s good to hear a bit more detail into why you have that opinion so fair play.

How I see it though, when you said we’ve been poor the last few games so it shows on Mendy is wrong.

It’s not so much what he does , it’s more what he doesn’t do/capable of doing. There’s no doubt that he can’t play in a 2. We always get over run and is why I think BR plays 5 at the back is because of the fact Mendy doesn’t have the physical capacity to get about the pitch and looks off the pace and out of his depth. I’d be interested to see how many tackles has Mendy made in each game this season, interceptions, headers etc. He just fills a gap but he doesn’t do anything that say Praet or Hamza can’t do better.

The teams like Man City, Arsenal and Leeds who like to pass pass pass, they have found it hard to get behind our back 5, but any team who press and target our middle, over run us and it’s becoming a huge problem that In turn means we’re passive and scared to commit anything forward.

West Ham had Soycek and Rice both powerful and running at us and we got run over. Mendy was run ragged that game, Rice run past him as if he wasn’t there and he looked out on his feet.

Grealish and Barkley again powerful runners on the ball, caused Mendy to get the run around(which BR noticed and put on Hamza). It became a problem that is clear to me.

Vs Arsenal they are more pass pass tika taka type team and less direct, so we just put bodies in the way and they struggled to find the eye of the needle pass. Whilst this type of team suits our approach, it’s at the detriment of our attack and even games we won like this and Wolves, we were absolutely woeful going forward in both games and absolutely smash and grab in both.

Wolves proved again 2nd half if you press in the middle with runners then we fold like a broken deck chair, but held firm due to Fofana having an unbelievable performance and Kasper making a world class save. Then Liverpool took it to another level. They knew Mendy is our weak link and constantly powered through our middle over and over again and constant pressure on our back 5.

 

I understand we have had a lot of injuries and BR has realised we are weaker and can’t commit so much forward etc but watch the difference when Wilf comes in. He is a monster, he wins tackles, he breaks up play, he gets about the park and he’s a constant presence.

Tielemens is nullified a lot less with him aside him and Maddison can then play in the hole in front of them as a 3 and gets him in the best position he can influence.

 

With Wilf there, not many players could match him 1v1. So if teams set up in a 3 , Maddison sits on the ‘sitter’ of the other team in the way Vardy did to influence, which then creates a 2 v2 with the others. This is when it would effectively be YT and Wilf and I’d back them to defend 2v2 vs most players.

When we are like this we are as good as anyone and win the midfield battle. Then it’s a case of the back 4 winning there 1 on 1 battles , which id back Castange and Ricardo too bad most wingers.

It also then leaves 3 up top so we could get Barnes and Under unleashed in the same team to support Vardy. Both offer different skill sets and creativity to provide probably one of the top 5 strikers in world football.

This is turn would make most opposing teams not be able to press us so high because we’d kill them in behind, meaning they would naturally become more on the back foot/passive, loose balls would fall to us more with more bodies in the opposite half and with the pace we have in the back 4 too, most teams just would not cope with us.

Id back us in a punch for punch match with anyone in the league bar Chelsea or Liverpool.

 

This is when have looked the best I’ve ever seen a Leicester team play last winter. We were fantastic and that triangle was key to it. Imagine the same back but throwing in Under> Perez and Forfana to add world class athleticism, Castange and Ricardo on our wide  back options!

Our squad is stronger and credit where credits due Mendy has stepped in and done his best, but let’s not forget how good Wilf is and how much better we will be with him.

 

[fleckneymike]

Is this thread a wind up?

Passing - the simple thing you’d like a midfielder to do. 

Hamza’s pass completion in the league 65% 
Mendy’s pass completion in the league 91.2%

 

let that 65% sink in a bit. Every 3rd pass misses. His passing is 2% better than Kasper ffs. 

That does shoot up to 85% in Europe but that pesky Mandy infuriatingly stats at 91%. 
 

Tackling - the thing he’s supposedly good at

 

Hamza’s average tackle per game in the league 0.5. Interceptions 0. Clearances 0 

 

Mendy’s average tackles per game in the league 1.5. Interceptions 1. Clearances 0.6. 
 

in Europe. Hamza tackles per game 1. Interceptions 1.5. Clearances 0.3

 

Mendy 1.5. 1.5. 0.5. 

 

Mendy is just better. There’s no shame in that. Mendy has been consistently better and most likely always will be. To argue that Hamza is in any way a superior is trolling of the highest order. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

[casablancas]

12 minutes ago, fleckneymike said:

Is this thread a wind up?

Passing - the simple thing you’d like a midfielder to do. 

Hamza’s pass completion in the league 65% 
Mendy’s pass completion in the league 91.2%

 

let that 65% sink in a bit. Every 3rd pass misses. His passing is 2% better than Kasper ffs. 

That does shoot up to 85% in Europe but that pesky Mandy infuriatingly stats at 91%. 
 

Tackling - the thing he’s supposedly good at

 

Hamza’s average tackle per game in the league 0.5. Interceptions 0. Clearances 0 

 

Mendy’s average tackles per game in the league 1.5. Interceptions 1. Clearances 0.6. 
 

in Europe. Hamza tackles per game 1. Interceptions 1.5. Clearances 0.3

 

Mendy 1.5. 1.5. 0.5. 

 

Mendy is just better. There’s no shame in that. Mendy has been consistently better and most likely always will be. To argue that Hamza is in any way a superior is trolling of the highest order. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

I doubt this will make a difference

 

[HighPeakFox]

8 minutes ago, casablancas said:

I doubt this will make a difference

I can't be bothered any longer - the self-confirmation bias gets too much for me. Although, credit where it's due, the last entry made did at least attempt to justify the argument. 

 

However, if BR thinks Mendy is more adept at the role than either Hamza or Praet (and I say this as a general advocate of Praet), then I'll trust that over a guy who will repeatedly tell anyone who'll listen that Mendy is terrible. Looking his stats up BEFORE making the case against would also seem a sensible option, I would have thought.

[majaco]

34 minutes ago, fleckneymike said:

Is this thread a wind up?

Passing - the simple thing you’d like a midfielder to do. 

Hamza’s pass completion in the league 65% 
Mendy’s pass completion in the league 91.2%

 

let that 65% sink in a bit. Every 3rd pass misses. His passing is 2% better than Kasper ffs. 

That does shoot up to 85% in Europe but that pesky Mandy infuriatingly stats at 91%. 
 

Tackling - the thing he’s supposedly good at

 

Hamza’s average tackle per game in the league 0.5. Interceptions 0. Clearances 0 

 

Mendy’s average tackles per game in the league 1.5. Interceptions 1. Clearances 0.6. 
 

in Europe. Hamza tackles per game 1. Interceptions 1.5. Clearances 0.3

 

Mendy 1.5. 1.5. 0.5. 

 

Mendy is just better. There’s no shame in that. Mendy has been consistently better and most likely always will be. To argue that Hamza is in any way a superior is trolling of the highest order. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Good stats.   Thanks 

 

I still really want Hamza to come good

 

 

 

 

 

[Jacnah]

15 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Well you don’t help yourself for me thinking that by not actually replying to what Mendy actually does? And why you think we have such a poor creativity all season in the league?

Europa league we are so creative and exciting and coincidentally he’s not in.

 

Funny you should say that because everyone I speak to from other fans, to Leicester fans I know in person always seem to think he’s a joke. Only on this board seem to worship  him.

 

Mendys performance vs Liverpool was one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen from an individual. I challenge anyone to watch the full 90 minutes back and follow Mendy every second and tell me what he did. I watched it back twice and was quite frankly the poorest performance I’ve ever seen. He got absolutely run over in every way it was embarrassing watching him. He offers nothing and I cannot wait for Wilf to come back and show the reality potential of this team.

You know it’s bad when your mates watching with you(2 Utd, 1 Liverpool, 1 Spurs and 1 Newcastle) all laugh saying ‘what does he even do!?’. Then the Man Utd fan saying ‘and I thought Fred was sh*t’ .

As soon as Wilf comes back, we can play with a more attacking intent and not need so many defenders to cover for a passenger.

oh come on - how long have you been watching? 

[deanolegend1989]

19 minutes ago, fleckneymike said:

Is this thread a wind up?

Passing - the simple thing you’d like a midfielder to do. 

Hamza’s pass completion in the league 65% 
Mendy’s pass completion in the league 91.2%

 

let that 65% sink in a bit. Every 3rd pass misses. His passing is 2% better than Kasper ffs. 

That does shoot up to 85% in Europe but that pesky Mandy infuriatingly stats at 91%. 
 

Tackling - the thing he’s supposedly good at

 

Hamza’s average tackle per game in the league 0.5. Interceptions 0. Clearances 0 

 

Mendy’s average tackles per game in the league 1.5. Interceptions 1. Clearances 0.6. 
 

in Europe. Hamza tackles per game 1. Interceptions 1.5. Clearances 0.3

 

Mendy 1.5. 1.5. 0.5. 

 

Mendy is just better. There’s no shame in that. Mendy has been consistently better and most likely always will be. To argue that Hamza is in any way a superior is trolling of the highest order. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Pass completion rate means very little, because I guarantee Tielemens will be lower than Mendys so would you then tell me Mendys passing is better than YT? 😂. Mendy passes 2 yards back to the cbs and no ‘key passes’.

 

Hamza has barely played in the league(20 mind vs Villa only?) and Mendy hasn’t played in Europe so where do you find these stats?

 

Show me the source you claim these stats from and how does Mendy compare to DMs in the Premier league would be a better indication.

Hamza is a better option ‘in my opinion’ than Mendy. Both are below the level we need to go to the next level (top 6 team) if they play consistently. Hamza has more potential to get to a higher level, based on his physical attributes and his age. Mendy is at his ceiling and ultimately is a hard working but lacks the quality we need.

As I’ve said Hamza and Mendy is much of a muchness but either way both are in a different league to Wilf and we will hopefully soon see Wilf back to full fitness and can dominate midfield.

Personally I think Praet should come in next to YT until Wilf is back and get Maddison in the hole behind Under/Vardy/Barnes In a front 3.

 

Our chance creation rate has dropped so dramatically this season compared to last season with nearly the exact same front men and wide men And Tielemens and Maddison, the one difference being Mendy. It happened last season vs Brighton as well.

[honeybradger]

47 minutes ago, fleckneymike said:

Is this thread a wind up?

Passing - the simple thing you’d like a midfielder to do. 

Hamza’s pass completion in the league 65% 
Mendy’s pass completion in the league 91.2%

 

let that 65% sink in a bit. Every 3rd pass misses. His passing is 2% better than Kasper ffs. 

That does shoot up to 85% in Europe but that pesky Mandy infuriatingly stats at 91%. 
 

Tackling - the thing he’s supposedly good at

 

Hamza’s average tackle per game in the league 0.5. Interceptions 0. Clearances 0 

 

Mendy’s average tackles per game in the league 1.5. Interceptions 1. Clearances 0.6. 
 

in Europe. Hamza tackles per game 1. Interceptions 1.5. Clearances 0.3

 

Mendy 1.5. 1.5. 0.5. 

 

Mendy is just better. There’s no shame in that. Mendy has been consistently better and most likely always will be. To argue that Hamza is in any way a superior is trolling of the highest order. 
 

 

 

 

 

 

 

Mate that post is absolutely dreadful. To be clear i rate mendy higher at the moment but come on, that passing percentage in the league comes from 13 minutes of play time, 13 minutes and 10 passes, that is not a large enough sample size and it's not even close to being one really, im fairly sure in the league last year he was averaging over 80% passing over 900 minutes which is much more accurate. If youre going to use stats to prove a point please try and be just slightly objective with them as those are pretty much useless.

Edited 29 November 2020 by honeybradger

[fleckneymike]

22 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Mate youre worse than deano with those stats, that is absolutely dreadful. To be clear i rate mendy higher at the moment but come on, that passing percentage in the league comes from 13 minutes of play time, 13 minutes and 10 passes, that is not a large enough sample size and it's not even close to being one really, im fairly sure in the league last year he was averaging over 80% passing over 900 minutes which is much more accurate. If youre going to use stats to prove a point please try and be just slightly objective with them as those are pretty much useless.

I used this season (and both competitions) because that’s what Hamza’s mum has been bleating about. Plus, to misplace a third of your passes in a cameo off the bench is remarkable. 
 

Previous seasons are at 85%, which is still lower than Mendy. 
 

This is a lovely article on why, contrary to what the one eyed king would have us believe, Mendy has been quite good

 

https://t.co/RW40Yce0RL

Edited 29 November 2020 by fleckneymike

[honeybradger]

7 minutes ago, fleckneymike said:

I used this season (and both competitions) because that’s what Hamza’s mum has been bleating about. Plus, to misplace a third of your passes in a cameo off the bench is remarkable. 
 

Previous seasons are at 85%, which is still lower than Mendy. 
 

This is a lovely article on why, contrary to what the one eyed king would have us believe, Mendy has been quite good

 

https://t.co/RW40Yce0RL

Ok but dont make a post about hamzah's passing percentage being 65% because some of the idiots who get their opinions from what they read on here rather than from what they see during our games might believe it. I dont care about the mendy vs hamzah debate you have going on but honestly if youre posting incorrect numbers to win it/make choudhury seem worse than he is it devalues your argument as it makes you seem biased.

[fleckneymike]

8 minutes ago, honeybradger said:

Ok but dont make a post about hamzah's passing percentage being 65% because some of the idiots who get their opinions from what they read on here rather than from what they see during our games might believe it. I dont care about the mendy vs hamzah debate you have going on but honestly if youre posting incorrect numbers to win it/make choudhury seem worse than he is it devalues your argument as it makes you seem biased.

The numbers are correct. The sample size for both are small (and far smaller for the league). 

[deanolegend1989]

2 minutes ago, fleckneymike said:

The numbers are correct. The sample size for both are small (and far smaller for the league). 

Firstly as the above poster said, the Hamza stats are based off nothing, he’s barely played.

Firstly if these stats are correct then show me the source please.

Mendy averaging 1 interception and 1.5 tackles per game firstly , without knowing or comparing to say Wilf or other DMs in the Prem seems a very low and poor stat anyway. He doesn’t offer anything going forward and cannot run with the ball. He can’t win headers and he can’t get about the pitch and bump people around.

 

Anyway, It’s all about opinions and it would be no fun if everyone thought the same. It’s just more, when I heard a few suggest ‘Wilf would struggle to get his place back’ or even as crazy as ‘I’d rather have Mendy over Kante’ that’s when it does start to lose any credibility.(Not that I’m saying that you claimed anything like that).

[The_Rorab]

I think it's pretty clear from your previous calling Mendy a League One player at best, and your disregard for any positive performances he might have put in this season and laser-focus on any mistakes or bad performances, and ignoring any other people's points that you're not concerned with evaluating your opinion on Mendy so much as just declaring him rubbish and that's that.

 

Which is your prerogative of course, but it means that a conversation about it is pretty useless.

 

Mendy isn't a world-beater, that's obvious, but without him, with Hamza's lack of positional discipline, as you can see most other fans and even Brendan Rodgers seemingly agree that without Mendy we'd be a lot worse off. Which isn't even to disparage Hamza who I really hope can push on this season, but Hamza just doesn't play the same role for us that we need Mendy or Ndidi to play.

 

He's certainly not a League One player that's for sure, and deserves a lot more credit than you're willing to give or listen to.

[Clever Fox]

10 hours ago, honeybradger said:

Jesus christ no, how many times do we have to see mendy and ndidi play together before everyone is 100% on board that theyre a shite combo. Two players doing the same job with less range in passing combined than any of tielemans, maddison or even praet have alone. Mendy and ndidi look much worse when the other player is on the pitch, having both is completely redundant and stunts the rest of the team.

It's not the combination I prefer as what we really need is a fast paced physical good passing midfielder. We can only play who is in the squad and these are the defensive midfielders we have.

You just can't play the modern game with one Defensive midfielder in the modern game, the pace is too frenetic. It works ok against the poorer teams but against the better teams we get exposed. 

Brendan has tried Maddison and Praet in the role with abject failure. Why ? because that's not their game. Neither are good enough at tackling or heading the ball so pretty useless in a defensive role.  Praet is a free spirit and that's how he needs to be played. The problem with that is it either works or it doesn't. Which is why he hasn't commanded a regular starting place.

Maddison is best supporting the front players creating chances and winning free kicks on the edge of the box. Youri is more disciplined which why he gets the role.

So the point is none of them despite being good players can do the job Mendy does, it's that simple until we get better.

 

As to Hamza, I've been disappointed with him this season apart from the one game where he was excellent. He was like a lost soul on Thursday for most of the game, but he did start the move for the goal. But i think his performances are down to Brendan trying to expand his understanding of the game, which takes time. The one thing he does have is bundles of energy which we're failing to use.

So we'll see how he progresses going forward.

[deanolegend1989]

6 minutes ago, The_Rorab said:

I think it's pretty clear from your previous calling Mendy a League One player at best, and your disregard for any positive performances he might have put in this season and laser-focus on any mistakes or bad performances, and ignoring any other people's points that you're not concerned with evaluating your opinion on Mendy so much as just declaring him rubbish and that's that.

 

Which is your prerogative of course, but it means that a conversation about it is pretty useless.

 

Mendy isn't a world-beater, that's obvious, but without him, with Hamza's lack of positional discipline, as you can see most other fans and even Brendan Rodgers seemingly agree that without Mendy we'd be a lot worse off. Which isn't even to disparage Hamza who I really hope can push on this season, but Hamza just doesn't play the same role for us that we need Mendy or Ndidi to play.

 

He's certainly not a League One player that's for sure, and deserves a lot more credit than you're willing to give or listen to.

Well firstly I’ve not once called Mendy ‘rubbish’.

I’ve already before took back ‘my league 1 at best comments’ and said it was after a hugely awful performance by him vs Brighton and I was angry.

Ive also said how I like him as a player and he tries hard and I am right behind any player who fights hard for my club. It’s hard not to like him. I dislike Matt mills, I don’t dislike Mendy.

 

However, liking doesn’t mean I cant be totally honest about what I think about him as a player. He does his best and he has decent games when he’s not being pressed but overall he’s not good enough at winning possession or interceptions and isn’t physical enough, nor good in the air. He also doesn’t offer any key passes and doesn’t carry the ball. He’s extremely limited and that’s why I believe Hamza, despite his faults is a better option.

Praet id think is a better option than both of them and Wilf is head and shoulders above the lot. That’s just my honest opinion but doesn’t translate to I hate Mendy as a person.

If you prefer Mendy over Hamza do you hate Hamza?

 

 

 

4 minutes ago, Clever Fox said:

It's not the combination I prefer as what we really need is a fast paced physical good passing midfielder. We can only play who is in the squad and these are the defensive midfielders we have.

You just can't play the modern game with one Defensive midfielder in the modern game, the pace is too frenetic. It works ok against the poorer teams but against the better teams we get exposed. 

Brendan has tried Maddison and Praet in the role with abject failure. Why ? because that's not their game. Neither are good enough at tackling or heading the ball so pretty useless in a defensive role.  Praet is a free spirit and that's how he needs to be played. The problem with that is it either works or it doesn't. Which is why he hasn't commanded a regular starting place.

Maddison is best supporting the front players creating chances and winning free kicks on the edge of the box. Youri is more disciplined which why he gets the role.

So the point is none of them despite being good players can do the job Mendy does, it's that simple until we get better.

 

As to Hamza, I've been disappointed with him this season apart from the one game where he was excellent. He was like a lost soul on Thursday for most of the game, but he did start the move for the goal. But i think his performances are down to Brendan trying to expand his understanding of the game, which takes time. The one thing he does have is bundles of energy which we're failing to use.

So we'll see how he progresses going forward.

Praet can tackle, win more headers, better passing ability and with his pace and engine , could carry the ball forward way better than Mendy.

 

Maddison isn’t great wife and 100% should be in the tip of the triangle in the middle. Tielemens is our creativity and number 8 from deep. No one in our squad has the ability he has. Them 2 are stonewall starters every day of the week.

The third place needs to protect and help YT in the more defensive role. It it YT and another.

Ndidi

Praet

Hamza

Mendy

in that order for me.

[MPH]

11 hours ago, alanf0x said:

Ndidi > Mendy > Hamza. Simple. 
If you can’t see this, give your head a wobble!!!

 

 

not seen simple play so can’t say much really..

[Vardinio'sCat]

Brilliant stuff, classic FT.

 

Keep it up everyone.

[StanSP]

For what it's worth I'm perfectly happy with Mendy's 'shield' or 'anchor' role and how he's executed it this season. 

 

It's not his role to make runs forward, get goals, get key passes in. His role is the 'protector' so to speak. There are plenty of other players in the side to do the fancy creative work. So while it may suit one's argument to observe it, it's not really something that should be used against him. 

 

I don't get how that specific criticism of 'he doesn't offer key passes or doesn't carry the ball'. Hamza doesn't do this either? And to be honest, it shouldn't be expected of either.

 

[blaaklint]

I'm not entirely sure anybody really cares this much, but I did some digging on Mendy and Choudhury's stats through 2018/19, 2019/2020 and this season so far, using just PL minutes. 3,167 minutes (31.2 games) for Mendy, 1,499 minutes (16.7 games) for Choudhury. Numbers after hyphen are per 90.

Mendy:

34/75 (45%) tackles completed - 1.09/2.40
21 dribbled past - 0.67
41 interceptions -1.31
32 clearances -1.03
40 blocks - 1.28

60 fouled -1.92
35 fouls - 1.12
8 yellows - 0.26
0 reds - 0.00

22/35 (63%) dribbles completed - 0.71/1.12
46 unsuccessful touches - 1.47
22 times dispossessed - 0.71
17/40 (43%) aerial duels completed - 0.54/1.28

1,628/1,814 (90%) passes completed - 52.18/58.14

Choudhury:

42/70 (60%) tackles completed - 2.51/4.19
28 dribbled past - 1.68
39 interceptions - 2.34
24 clearances - 1.44
29 blocks - 1.74

9 fouled - 0.54
19 fouls - 1.14
2 yellows - 0.12
1 red - 0.06

5/11 (45%) dribbles completed - 0.30/0.66
20 unsuccessful touches - 1.20
7 times dispossessed - 0.42
18/34 (53%) aerial duels completed - 1.08/2.04

643/756 (85%) passes completed - 38.50/45.27

Interesting notes:
Choudhury only received 4 yellows in entire career (this surprised me).

Neither have ever been called for offside (this didn't).

The only goal Mendy has ever scored (for Nice in a 3-1 win over SC Bastia in 2015) was assisted by Ricardo Pereira.

Choudhury commits many more defensive actions (successful tackles, blocks, interceptions, clearances) than Mendy per 90 (8.04 vs. 4.71) - he also does far less with the ball than Mendy (13.68 fewer passes and 0.41 fewer dribbles per 90). As you would expect, since Mendy sees more of the ball, he also gets dispossessed more often (0.71 vs. 0.42) and takes more bad touches (1.47 vs. 1.20).

[Guest Mickyblueeyes]

16 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Still havnt answered what he does so we can leave it at that 😂.

 

We’d be better with Hamza there. We’ve looked better with Hamza than Mendy, he had a great game vs Athens and home vs Braga and is above Mendy and the potential to become even better.

 

His performance against Liverpool was one of the worst I’ve seen yes. Up there with his vs Brighton last year.

He didn’t win a tackle, interception, header all game. He didn’t travel with the ball, no forward passes and he arguably should of been sent off the one time he tried to tackle someone. Absolutely awful, anyone who hand on heart thinks him or Wilf is even a decision needs their head testing.

 

Micky - I’ve watched every single game this year. He wasn’t great in any of those games but sometimes we will still win despite him due to our squad overall is brilliant.

Hes been average/awful between most games, even some we won like Burnley and Wolves he was poor.

How many tackles does he make? How many interceptions? How many headers?

Id like to see if the stats back it up. Wilf is in a different planet and will give us much better protection.

Deano, just to be clear, I’m not someone who would bench Ndidi for Mendy. I think Ndidi is a better player. I also think Riccy is a better player then Justin and Soy gets back into the team over Fofana/Evans. That doesn’t mean I don’t rate those players either. In case of Justin especially who simply takes a place on the bench because Riccy is far superior. 

 

The point I was making is as someone who has seen every game of ours this season. How can you possibly have such poor regard for Mendy’s performances in the majority of games. To even suggest he has been “carried” is ridiculous. Yeah, he is not going to win DM of the year but he has certainly contributed. His movement, passes etc. Have allowed time to the creators around him. Best example: we do not score the equaliser at the Etihad without Mendy - you cannot argue with that. 
 

We’ve seen some shit at the KP/Filbert Street over the years. Some of your comments suggest Mendy rubs shoulders with guys like Junior Lewis - I cant understand how. 
 

[Keiriel]

4 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Maddison isn’t great wife and 100% should be in the tip of the triangle in the middle. Tielemens is our creativity and number 8 from deep. No one in our squad has the ability he has. Them 2 are stonewall starters every day of the week.

The third place needs to protect and help YT in the more defensive role. It it YT and another.

Look, I know his backpack is a little unconventional, but that's just harsh. Maddison is best wife.

[Leeds Fox]

23 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Well you don’t help yourself for me thinking that by not actually replying to what Mendy actually does? And why you think we have such a poor creativity all season in the league?

Europa league we are so creative and exciting and coincidentally he’s not in.

 

Funny you should say that because everyone I speak to from other fans, to Leicester fans I know in person always seem to think he’s a joke. Only on this board seem to worship  him.

 

Mendys performance vs Liverpool was one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen from an individual. I challenge anyone to watch the full 90 minutes back and follow Mendy every second and tell me what he did. I watched it back twice and was quite frankly the poorest performance I’ve ever seen. He got absolutely run over in every way it was embarrassing watching him. He offers nothing and I cannot wait for Wilf to come back and show the reality potential of this team.

You know it’s bad when your mates watching with you(2 Utd, 1 Liverpool, 1 Spurs and 1 Newcastle) all laugh saying ‘what does he even do!?’. Then the Man Utd fan saying ‘and I thought Fred was sh*t’ .

As soon as Wilf comes back, we can play with a more attacking intent and not need so many defenders to cover for a passenger.

I’ve bolded the part where your opinion goes to pot! 
 

It sounds like the start of a bad joke.

Edited 29 November 2020 by Leeds Fox

[The whole world smiles]

23 hours ago, deanolegend1989 said:

Well you don’t help yourself for me thinking that by not actually replying to what Mendy actually does? And why you think we have such a poor creativity all season in the league?

Europa league we are so creative and exciting and coincidentally he’s not in.

 

Funny you should say that because everyone I speak to from other fans, to Leicester fans I know in person always seem to think he’s a joke. Only on this board seem to worship  him.

 

Mendys performance vs Liverpool was one of the worst performances I’ve ever seen from an individual. I challenge anyone to watch the full 90 minutes back and follow Mendy every second and tell me what he did. I watched it back twice and was quite frankly the poorest performance I’ve ever seen. He got absolutely run over in every way it was embarrassing watching him. He offers nothing and I cannot wait for Wilf to come back and show the reality potential of this team.

You know it’s bad when your mates watching with you(2 Utd, 1 Liverpool, 1 Spurs and 1 Newcastle) all laugh saying ‘what does he even do!?’. Then the Man Utd fan saying ‘and I thought Fred was sh*t’ .

As soon as Wilf comes back, we can play with a more attacking intent and not need so many defenders to cover for a passenger.

Isn't it illegal to be watching football matches with 5 friends during a local lockdown?

 

Even if its not why would you want to watch a Leicester game with united, Liverpool and spurs fans? Sounds like the evening from hell to me.

 

Finally criticising mendy on the back of this season is absolutely insane. Its like climate change denial or those people who think the earth is flat, it is absolutely detached from the obvious reality of the situation. 

[majaco]

Our squad is pretty good.  Choudhury is part of it.  Personally, I hope he is part of the squad for some time.

[Le Renard]

Has this thread turned into "my dad is bigger than your dad" that I use to hear at primary school?