UHDrive Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 Just now, Webbo said: I shouldn't really need to say this, but we're not Chelsea or Man City. Our training grounds and infrastructure is equal if not better than theirs. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 1 minute ago, UHDrive said: Our training grounds and infrastructure is equal if not better than theirs. Since December. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Dykes Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 3 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...I would rather keep a Coach that is excellent than having to replace him every two year's!! So long as he brings innovation and is open mind in relation to new ideas and their implementation then I want that Coach to be here. Managers tend to last for about two years and what you would want is the continuity in regards to the academy players and not all Coaches are looking any further than where they feel they are adding value and are valued themselves. Idiakez was a revered Coach at one time but we lost him and he went on to Derby then Luton, I would not be surprised if he did not have a hand in getting James Justin to our club. His departure I believe really set us back. I think you've missed the point of the post you replied to. @AjcW was saying that they wanted coaches that are in danger of being poached, as that means they're clearly good at what they do. Obviously, you want to keep good coaches, but it's better to have one that people think could be a manager in the Championship, than one who isn't that good, isn't it? If Idiakez has gone on to take the same, or a similar, role at clubs like Derby and Luton, then doesn't that tell you something about the level he's at? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
UHDrive Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 3 minutes ago, Webbo said: Since December. New beginnings need a new approach. I think most members on FT would agree that there are too many players in the dev squad that are either too old or need to be on. Then work on sourcing talent. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
The_Rorab Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 (edited) I appreciate that historically we've brought through a decent chunk of players in your Barnes, Chilwell, Hamza and potentially KDH, not to mention in recent memory Schlupp and Kingy - but I don't think you can blindly ignore the horrific style of football that the U23s have been playing, the reports of Beaglehole refusing players loans in order to win the PL2 a while back, and other such rumblings just due to past successes. Whether that's enough to say Beaglehole should be replaced is maybe up for debate, but I think it's fairly clear that we should be doing better in certain areas of the academy, especially with regards to playing style, given how the first team play. We have been loaning players out a bit more this year than we had been and our average age of the U23 lineups have had fewer players in the 22-23 year old range with no future at the club as we did when we were playing the likes of Callum Elder, George Thomas and so on which I think is positive progress, but again I think the U23 team needs more changes to get more out of it, regardless of who is in charge of that. There's definitely been enough rumours about players being too technical and not physical enough for Beaglehole and therefore not transitioning through the U23 team on his say-so, as well as the PL2 rumours both of which don't exactly shine Beaglehole in a great light, so I can fully understand the desire to get someone new in with fresh and more contemporary ideas. Edited 12 February 2021 by The_Rorab 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
sacreblueits442 Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 3 minutes ago, Raw Dykes said: I think you've missed the point of the post you replied to. @AjcW was saying that they wanted coaches that are in danger of being poached, as that means they're clearly good at what they do. Obviously, you want to keep good coaches, but it's better to have one that people think could be a manager in the Championship, than one who isn't that good, isn't it? If Idiakez has gone on to take the same, or a similar, role at clubs like Derby and Luton, then doesn't that tell you something about the level he's at? ...I can't judge Coaches in the manner of the more they are coveted by other teams, should be how they are valued!!! Idiakez followed Pearson to go to Derby and I suspect that is how coaches operate as their tends to be a friendship prior to the teaming up with a manager, who they choose to follow. I do not wish to be constantly asking the questioning of " is he going this week" because of how your Coach is perceived outside of the club. Long term planning is the key to our success and I would rather have a Coach on a long term contract than one we are looking to replace after his first year. Managers bring in their own staff when they take up a position and for the Academy role there needs to be some kind of continuity. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jimmy Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 20 hours ago, Webbo said: Tbf to our academy, VDC was the fourth home grown player to play for us this season. We've not long sold Chilwell for £50 million and KDH is getting rave reviews on loan.That's not a bad strike rate VDC didn't come through our academy he is in his second year at the club Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 30 minutes ago, Jimmy said: VDC didn't come through our academy he is in his second year at the club If you're going to be pedantic, he's still been improved by our academy staff. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
st albans fox Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 26 minutes ago, Webbo said: If you're going to be pedantic, he's still been improved by our academy staff. Now you’re clutching ..... how much of him did you see before he arrived? How do you know he’s been improved ? Against a brighton second string winger he did ok - no more, no less ..... I want to see a lot more of him to inform any judgement ....... Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Webbo Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 37 minutes ago, st albans fox said: Now you’re clutching ..... how much of him did you see before he arrived? How do you know he’s been improved ? Against a brighton second string winger he did ok - no more, no less ..... I want to see a lot more of him to inform any judgement ....... If he was that good Arsenal would have given him a contract. Its a bit pathetic to deny the academy any credit when we all know they would have been blamed if he had failed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Foxy-Lady Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 3 hours ago, Raw Dykes said: If Idiakez has gone on to take the same, or a similar, role at clubs like Derby and Luton, then doesn't that tell you something about the level he's at? Idiakez left to take 1st Team Assistant Mngr job at Derby alongside Pearson and then subsequently Head of Yth Development at Luton followed by Caretaker 1st team Assnt Mngr in their promotion season. At leicester he was in charge of U16s only but wanted to carry on working with the players he had developed as they progressed onwards through to U23s (ie Barnes, Choudhoury, KDH, Thomas etc...) Hopefully that should tell you something about the level he was at...? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
deep blue Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 (edited) 21 minutes ago, Webbo said: If he was that good Arsenal would have given him a contract. ..... It's quite possible that Arsenal's judgement of young players is not as good as ours. Look no further for a comparative example than Saliba v Fofana, and their current league position offers no likelihood that their assessment of players is better than ours. Edited 12 February 2021 by deep blue 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Aleksz Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 Think Leshabela, Tavares and Daley-Campbell will be permanently moving up to be part of the first team now. All in the Training photos from today. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
blaaklint Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 6 hours ago, Raw Dykes said: I think you've missed the point of the post you replied to. @AjcW was saying that they wanted coaches that are in danger of being poached, as that means they're clearly good at what they do. Obviously, you want to keep good coaches, but it's better to have one that people think could be a manager in the Championship, than one who isn't that good, isn't it? If Idiakez has gone on to take the same, or a similar, role at clubs like Derby and Luton, then doesn't that tell you something about the level he's at? tbf there's a big assumption there that idiakez or similar coaches even want to go on to become managers. they might just find working with younger players more rewarding 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Raw Dykes Posted 12 February 2021 Share Posted 12 February 2021 10 minutes ago, blaaklint said: tbf there's a big assumption there that idiakez or similar coaches even want to go on to become managers. they might just find working with younger players more rewarding Not really. A coach could be signed by a bigger club to do the same role they were already doing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 15 February 2021 Share Posted 15 February 2021 (edited) Anyone know who Dasilva and Mckirdy are? Subs: Doherty, Abdulai, Ewing, Shade, Russ. Edited 15 February 2021 by moore_94 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryy Posted 15 February 2021 Share Posted 15 February 2021 1 minute ago, moore_94 said: Anyone know who Dasilva and Mckirdy are? Is Mckirdy the ex villa player? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ric Flair Posted 15 February 2021 Share Posted 15 February 2021 10 minutes ago, moore_94 said: Anyone know who Dasilva and Mckirdy are? Subs: Doherty, Abdulai, Ewing, Shade, Russ. Not heard of them, not seen their names in the U18's I don't think. Was hoping Kian Pennant might get a chance with so many of the U23's now training with the first team. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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moore_94 Posted 15 February 2021 Share Posted 15 February 2021 If it is that Harry McKirdy, very strange we are letting a guy who is almost 24 and has no links to the club play for our u23s over just using someone from the u18s 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Ryy Posted 15 February 2021 Share Posted 15 February 2021 I’m just presuming it’s those two. McKirdy will know Ben Petty very well as for Dasilva he’s a free agent after leaving Brentford Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Ryy Posted 15 February 2021 Share Posted 15 February 2021 3 minutes ago, LCFC1996 said: First pic one of the new players? I have no idea then 😂 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lcfcsnow Posted 15 February 2021 Share Posted 15 February 2021 Where are Pennant and Arlott-John? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
moore_94 Posted 15 February 2021 Share Posted 15 February 2021 It is those 2, very strange that Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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