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17 minutes ago, UHDrive said:

If we are not careful we could get relagted from PL2. The 2 teams behind us have 3 games in hand each.

 

I hope BR is battling behind the scenes to get some sort of order and fluidity to the development teams of all ages and making sure that there are changes to our recruitment of talent and release of players before they become too old in their respective age groups.

It's not helping that due to the pandemic that they seemingly have to keep the U23's and first team apart.

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1 hour ago, UHDrive said:

If we are not careful we could get relagted from PL2. The 2 teams behind us have 3 games in hand each.

 

I hope BR is battling behind the scenes to get some sort of order and fluidity to the development teams of all ages and making sure that there are changes to our recruitment of talent and release of players before they become too old in their respective age groups.

...I suspect Rodgers is losing the battle with the re-structuring of the academy!!!

It was announced at the start of the season that Beaglehole was to take up another position but we still find him in the same position that he has been for years. There was a noticeable change in our style for a short while but we have reverted to type. I do not think Rodgers can effect the changes that he requires in order to create a linear progress of this club in terms of its structure.

  If at present he is receiving pushback from the people running the academy we could run the risk of Rodgers deciding that he cannot progress the club in the manner he had envisaged.

  Now this is just speculation but if we are to improve the fate of the academy there will have to be an incredible fall out and disruption to make it happen.

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9 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I suspect Rodgers is losing the battle with the re-structuring of the academy!!!

It was announced at the start of the season that Beaglehole was to take up another position but we still find him in the same position that he has been for years. There was a noticeable change in our style for a short while but we have reverted to type. I do not think Rodgers can effect the changes that he requires in order to create a linear progress of this club in terms of its structure.

  If at present he is receiving pushback from the people running the academy we could run the risk of Rodgers deciding that he cannot progress the club in the manner he had envisaged.

  Now this is just speculation but if we are to improve the fate of the academy there will have to be an incredible fall out and disruption to make it happen.

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9 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I suspect Rodgers is losing the battle with the re-structuring of the academy!!!

It was announced at the start of the season that Beaglehole was to take up another position but we still find him in the same position that he has been for years. There was a noticeable change in our style for a short while but we have reverted to type. I do not think Rodgers can effect the changes that he requires in order to create a linear progress of this club in terms of its structure.

  If at present he is receiving pushback from the people running the academy we could run the risk of Rodgers deciding that he cannot progress the club in the manner he had envisaged.

  Now this is just speculation but if we are to improve the fate of the academy there will have to be an incredible fall out and disruption to make it happen.

I think Rodgers taking the best part of 5-10 players out the U23's now for the rest of the season to train with the first team is a systematic decision to get those closest to training and playing exactly how the first team do. If that's not a message to those above then I don't know what is.

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9 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I suspect Rodgers is losing the battle with the re-structuring of the academy!!!

It was announced at the start of the season that Beaglehole was to take up another position but we still find him in the same position that he has been for years. There was a noticeable change in our style for a short while but we have reverted to type. I do not think Rodgers can effect the changes that he requires in order to create a linear progress of this club in terms of its structure.

  If at present he is receiving pushback from the people running the academy we could run the risk of Rodgers deciding that he cannot progress the club in the manner he had envisaged.

  Now this is just speculation but if we are to improve the fate of the academy there will have to be an incredible fall out and disruption to make it happen.

No chance, more likely his a little busy dealing with the first team situation, which has been made more tricky by the pandemic, shortened pre season, fight with injuries, fighting in 3 competition.

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I think Rodgers taking the best part of 5-10 players out the U23's now for the rest of the season to train with the first team is a systematic decision to get those closest to training and playing exactly how the first team do. If that's not a message to those above then I don't know what is.

I think you are reading far to much into things, this isn't the season to be restructuring the academy.

 

Once things are back to normal, things will change.

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7 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I think you are reading far to much into things, this isn't the season to be restructuring the academy.

 

Once things are back to normal, things will change.

By him taking them all out we will get relegated from PL2 but maybe that's needed to shake things up. If we could tinge to play some hideous football at U23's it is better that the most advanced ones are training with our first team anyway.

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6 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

By him taking them all out we will get relegated from PL2 but maybe that's needed to shake things up. If we could tinge to play some hideous football at U23's it is better that the most advanced ones are training with our first team anyway.

I think it he's way of assessing them up close, I think it the first step in him overhauling the top layer of players in the under 23's, I think you see in the summer a cull of most of the older boys except any that have impressed. 

 

I think Beaglehole will be moved sideways and a new coaching setup to be introduced. 

 

The club has culled a lot of the deadwood from the first team squad, I expect the same knife to be applied to the Academy.

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16 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

I think it he's way of assessing them up close, I think it the first step in him overhauling the top layer of players in the under 23's, I think you see in the summer a cull of most of the older boys except any that have impressed. 

 

I think Beaglehole will be moved sideways and a new coaching setup to be introduced. 

 

The club has culled a lot of the deadwood from the first team squad, I expect the same knife to be applied to the Academy.

Yeah I agree, which is what I was alluding to in my first post. I think Rodgers has taken it upon himself to do the assessment and sorting process, rather than leave them in the 23's to see if they do well, get a loan move etc. 

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1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

I think Rodgers taking the best part of 5-10 players out the U23's now for the rest of the season to train with the first team is a systematic decision to get those closest to training and playing exactly how the first team do. If that's not a message to those above then I don't know what is.

I agree with this. I think Rodgers has reached a point with it, with Tavares’ development in particular, where he thinks he’ll get more out of him by having him train in a first team environment 5/6 days a week than he would getting battered every Monday night with the ball spending half of the game above head height. 
 

Basically... First team training > That god awful 23’s set up.

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1 hour ago, Ric Flair said:

By him taking them all out we will get relegated from PL2 but maybe that's needed to shake things up. If we could tinge to play some hideous football at U23's it is better that the most advanced ones are training with our first team anyway.

...this could be primarily down to player injuries and effective "Bubbles"!!!

  We can not go from Bubble to Bubble in order to effectively combat the spread of the virus.

 A reasonable good use of the squad but detrimental to the U23s. 

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2 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

I think it he's way of assessing them up close, I think it the first step in him overhauling the top layer of players in the under 23's, I think you see in the summer a cull of most of the older boys except any that have impressed. 

 

I think Beaglehole will be moved sideways and a new coaching setup to be introduced. 

 

The club has culled a lot of the deadwood from the first team squad, I expect the same knife to be applied to the Academy.

What makes you think this?

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16 hours ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...I suspect Rodgers is losing the battle with the re-structuring of the academy!!!

It was announced at the start of the season that Beaglehole was to take up another position but we still find him in the same position that he has been for years. There was a noticeable change in our style for a short while but we have reverted to type. I do not think Rodgers can effect the changes that he requires in order to create a linear progress of this club in terms of its structure.

  If at present he is receiving pushback from the people running the academy we could run the risk of Rodgers deciding that he cannot progress the club in the manner he had envisaged.

  Now this is just speculation but if we are to improve the fate of the academy there will have to be an incredible fall out and disruption to make it happen.

Yeah I thought too that Beaglehole was entering into a new position but clearly not. He appears bullish during interviews and that only comes with longevity. 

 

I'm going to guess that Beaglehole might just be the problem when discussing changes to the academy simply because it's always been done "his way" and for so long now. 

 

The other question remaining is how much sway he has with the dof and whether or not he is actually resisting change. Hypothetically if that was the answer then I would expect the club to move him on and embrace change. Change doesn't need to be drastic but with the set up and structure of ours that hasnt changed for so long, it doesn't speak volumes of the club in attracting talent.

 

Lastly BR is the manager and head coach of LCFC. My point being is that he should be able to call some shots over Beaglehole if he needed too. I would've expected change to be done and dusted when moving into the new training ground but apparently not.

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18 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

It's not helping that due to the pandemic that they seemingly have to keep the U23's and first team apart.

Is that part of covid bubbles? It should be easy given that the building is split so much so that the development players would be going into the opposite side of the building as the first team and the pitches are either side of the building too. I guess it's all in the timing!

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One step backwards and then two forward I wonder...

 

Could we actually be going out of our way to be relegated on purpose?

 

We've seen the disaster that can ensue when Paulo Sousa came in and tried to change the style over night. It was pure carnage!

 

 Could it be that if we get relegated we could start to change things without getting mullered every game helping with the confidence of fragile youngsters?

 

I know this sounds ridiculous but there isn't really a massive financial benefit at that level.

 

 

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25 minutes ago, Collymore said:

One step backwards and then two forward I wonder...

 

Could we actually be going out of our way to be relegated on purpose?

 

We've seen the disaster that can ensue when Paulo Sousa came in and tried to change the style over night. It was pure carnage!

 

 Could it be that if we get relegated we could start to change things without getting mullered every game helping with the confidence of fragile youngsters?

 

I know this sounds ridiculous but there isn't really a massive financial benefit at that level.

 

 

It matters to bringing youth players to the club.

 

And more importantly bringing coaches to the club!

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2 minutes ago, The People's Hero said:

It matters to bringing youth players to the club.

 

And more importantly bringing coaches to the club!

I think some top coaches would jump at the chance to have a clean slate and work in those facilities. 

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The fact that the U18s look like they're heading the same way too, just seems odd that both teams would nose dive at the same time after years of relative success. 

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2 hours ago, Collymore said:

The fact that the U18s look like they're heading the same way too, just seems odd that both teams would nose dive at the same time after years of relative success. 

We have lowered the age of both teams considerably which has caused it. Plus loaned out more than we usually do.

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2 hours ago, peach0000 said:

Surely producing first team players is all the academies purpose is. They are doing a decent job at that! 

I think I’ve heard somewhere that the goal of our academy is just to produce professional footballers. 

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