HighPeakFox Posted 13 February 2021 Posted 13 February 2021 57-43, he gets away with it. Now watch that country fall apart as he seeks revenge causes and incites more damage.
Milo Posted 13 February 2021 Posted 13 February 2021 It's kind of nice not hearing from him, though. 1
worthosoriginals Posted 13 February 2021 Posted 13 February 2021 13 minutes ago, Milo said: It's kind of nice not hearing from him, though. Does he often usually phone you then?
urban.spaceman Posted 13 February 2021 Posted 13 February 2021 24 minutes ago, HighPeakFox said: 57-43, he gets away with it. Now watch that country fall apart as he seeks revenge causes and incites more damage. Absolute cowards. Trump will finish that party if they let him.
Mike Oxlong Posted 13 February 2021 Posted 13 February 2021 Shame on the 43 GOP senators who have prioritised their own self interest above their duty 1
leicsmac Posted 14 February 2021 Author Posted 14 February 2021 This was by far the most likely outcome. However, what it might mean in the future is the Repubs end up tearing down the middle between those who continue to back Trump and those who don't. That would be no bad thing.
Jattdogg Posted 14 February 2021 Posted 14 February 2021 Was anyone really expecting him to be impeached. They have no balls and are a disgrace. 1
foxile5 Posted 14 February 2021 Posted 14 February 2021 5 hours ago, worthosoriginals said: Does he often usually phone you then? I wish he called me from time to time.
WigstonWanderer Posted 14 February 2021 Posted 14 February 2021 5 hours ago, leicsmac said: This was by far the most likely outcome. However, what it might mean in the future is the Repubs end up tearing down the middle between those who continue to back Trump and those who don't. That would be no bad thing. Surely it would be better to have two parties that value reason, truth and decency.
leicsmac Posted 14 February 2021 Author Posted 14 February 2021 47 minutes ago, WigstonWanderer said: Surely it would be better to have two parties that value reason, truth and decency. That would be better, yes. Time will tell, however, if things do end up developing that way.
surrifox Posted 14 February 2021 Posted 14 February 2021 10 hours ago, HighPeakFox said: 57-43, he gets away with it. Now watch that country fall apart as he seeks revenge causes and incites more damage. On the plus side - his defence lawyers probably just won their first ever case !
Guest SO1 Posted 14 February 2021 Posted 14 February 2021 Will the Bread and Circuses continue? Or will the Federal Government finally go about the task of aiding the citizens and the economy that have been destroyed as a result of financializaton, globalization and now Covid. It's been 12 years since the 2008 financial crisis when the rich and connected were bailed out and nothing seems to change. How bad does it have to get? What now?
zorro en españa Posted 14 February 2021 Posted 14 February 2021 I kid you not - the News page of the BBC website carries this main headline “Democracy is fragile, warns Biden, as Trump is cleared”. Then a sub-article has the following ”Johnson: US democracy strong after Trump ‘kerfuffle’” Now, who has the finger on the pulse 🙄
Parafox Posted 14 February 2021 Posted 14 February 2021 3 minutes ago, StanSP said: Nice Seriously hope this gets through but I have my doubts as the pro gun lobby have a lot of clout.
Guest SO1 Posted 14 February 2021 Posted 14 February 2021 57 minutes ago, StanSP said: Nice They can pass all the Federal laws they like but good luck enforcing them at the local level in the current climate. The more the federal government refuses to take care of it's working class the more it delegitmizes itself. Not saying the law is wrong in principle just saying that with the current situation the outcome is unlikely to be good.
LCFCCHRIS Posted 15 February 2021 Posted 15 February 2021 (edited) Let's be real here, it's always going to be a struggle to get 2/3 majority. The Dems would have done the exact same if the shoe was on the other foot. Edited 15 February 2021 by LCFCCHRIS
leicsmac Posted 15 February 2021 Author Posted 15 February 2021 32 minutes ago, LCFCCHRIS said: Let's be real here, it's always going to be a struggle to get 2/3 majority. The Dems would have done the exact same if the shoe was on the other foot. I guess we'll find out about that if and when a Dem presidential candidate ever refuses to abide by a free and fair election result to the degree of inciting an insurrection by storming a key federal building. If it ever happens.
LCFCCHRIS Posted 15 February 2021 Posted 15 February 2021 2 hours ago, leicsmac said: I guess we'll find out about that if and when a Dem presidential candidate ever refuses to abide by a free and fair election result to the degree of inciting an insurrection by storming a key federal building. If it ever happens. Yep, odds maybe 5000-1 😁 in all seriousness though if the China/Hunter Biden stuff ever amounts to something we may well find out.
leicsmac Posted 15 February 2021 Author Posted 15 February 2021 36 minutes ago, LCFCCHRIS said: Yep, odds maybe 5000-1 😁 in all seriousness though if the China/Hunter Biden stuff ever amounts to something we may well find out. I'm honestly struggling to think of a realistic scenario where Dem supporters attempt a minor coup or at least actively threaten the lives of multiple US Congresspeople at the same time. 1
Jon the Hat Posted 15 February 2021 Posted 15 February 2021 On 13/02/2021 at 22:08, Mike Oxlong said: Shame on the 43 GOP senators who have prioritised their own self interest above their duty From their PoV if they lose half their support they would be handing the keys to the Dems for the next 20 years. How can they do their duty if they have no chance of power?
Carl the Llama Posted 15 February 2021 Posted 15 February 2021 4 hours ago, LCFCCHRIS said: Let's be real here, it's always going to be a struggle to get 2/3 majority. The Dems would have done the exact same if the shoe was on the other foot. Was just taking about this weird logic yesterday. What makes you so sure of that?
Strokes Posted 15 February 2021 Posted 15 February 2021 3 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: From their PoV if they lose half their support they would be handing the keys to the Dems for the next 20 years. How can they do their duty if they have no chance of power? Who else are the rabid mob going to vote for? They have to appeal to the moderates too, I think by not voting to impeach they may well have consigned themselves to years in the wilderness. 1
LCFCCHRIS Posted 15 February 2021 Posted 15 February 2021 5 minutes ago, Carl the Llama said: Was just taking about this weird logic yesterday. What makes you so sure of that? Not weird logic. Both political sides, including the followers of each side and the politicians themselves are so hard wired to that side and 'winning', it becomes tribal like and nothing to do with specifics. Think about how many people will totally ignore anything positive / negative a president does just because they are already predisposed to liking / disliking them. Trump obviously did some good things in his tenure but people would argue to the ends of the earth against you if you ever suggested it. Likewise the right has in general painted Biden as having a declining mental state, which they will swear by many times, but will pick out very selective clips of him messing up to prove it. I've seen so much of this one sided, dog eat dog attitude and politicians seem to propagate it with their own lies, and bashing / slandering their opponents. What makes you think the Dems would impeach biden if he did something similar? Would they really damage their party's image, probably risking the next election, to do what they believe is 'the right thing'? Not a chance IMO.
Carl the Llama Posted 15 February 2021 Posted 15 February 2021 (edited) 16 minutes ago, LCFCCHRIS said: Not weird logic. Both political sides, including the followers of each side and the politicians themselves are so hard wired to that side and 'winning', it becomes tribal like and nothing to do with specifics. Think about how many people will totally ignore anything positive / negative a president does just because they are already predisposed to liking / disliking them. Trump obviously did some good things in his tenure but people would argue to the ends of the earth against you if you ever suggested it. Likewise the right has in general painted Biden as having a declining mental state, which they will swear by many times, but will pick out very selective clips of him messing up to prove it. I've seen so much of this one sided, dog eat dog attitude and politicians seem to propagate it with their own lies, and bashing / slandering their opponents. What makes you think the Dems would impeach biden if he did something similar? Would they really damage their party's image, probably risking the next election, to do what they believe is 'the right thing'? Not a chance IMO. The thing is the people who vote for them would be receptive to seeing them do the honourable thing, no such luck the other way. It's like I said yesterday: A right winger does something wrong and they're afforded the get out of jail free card that "the other side would be no different", meanwhile left wingers are scrutinised for eating food or wearing a sharp looking suit the same colour as previous right-wing incumbents. No idea how you think that's a similar level of malfeasance/accountability. Edited 15 February 2021 by Carl the Llama
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