Punishment for the 6 clubs?

[Xen]

If there's a points deduction this season, then it needs to be at least 20 points otherwise man city would be effectively unpunished, but anything greater than that puts arsenal at risk of relegation. That kind of punishment would be disproportionate between the affected clubs, so I don't see that happening unless ALL are relegated.

 

Take away their CL/EL qualification this season  (give it to the 6 highest of the rest) and then give them a 20pt reduction next season (which for some will mean a second year without qualifying for Europe). That way, they're all hit financially and lose out on the biggest stage for their sponsors, whilst other pl sides get a windfall which helps level the playing field. Some players will be keen to leave so they don't miss out on European football.

 

The two cup finals are a different matter and not sure how to resolve those...

[Scotch]

I've said before that I don't think there will be any ramifications from this and I still 100% believe it but if there were to be.... I would go down the fine route. But massive fines. Like £150m plus for each club. 

 

There fans and players don't deserve punishment but any measly small fine is essentialy no punishment at all to these owners so fine them BIG and filter the money down the pyramid to help clubs who need it. 

[Mint23]

The players, back room staff, coaching staff and mostly the fans don’t deserve a punishment but the book has to stop somewhere and for me that has to be in the pockets of the people that have caused this problem with the only aim to fill those pockets even more. 
A European ban is a must, points deduction could work but if they really wanted to look like they’re helping the smaller clubs after this pandemic is over then ship all 6 of them down to league 2 to help improve ticket sales and revenue for those clubs!

[RoyalBlueGaz]

With the 6 English clubs making up 50% of the clubs who had committed to it, the remaining clubs could say that it's their fault that it's now become impossible to implement and look to receive damages from the English clubs, both for what they've already invested getting to this point, loss of future predicted extra revenue and maybe damages to their image.

 

I suspect also more was already planned that they hadn't revealed yet, e.g. playing future matches abroad such as in the Qatari stadiums. The Super League might already have agreements with them and they might want compensating. So even if the FA and UEFA don't punish them (which I hope they do somehow), they could be in big financial trouble from the remaining Super League stakeholders.

[Sir Shep]

There won’t be any punishment, the new CL format will go ahead and I dares say that this’ll all die down within a week or so. Obviously I hope I’m wrong but I just can’t see it going any other way. 

[4everfox]

They need to be severely punished, otherwise they will just spit their dummies out of their entitled mouths the next time we finish above most of them again. Relegating them all to the foot of the pyramid would teach them about the importance of competitive football, and serve them a slice of humble pie that they clearly need.

[Happy Fox]

They have backed down under fan pressure I am sorry they deserve everything thrown at them these owners and board members are clueless and the clubs deserve punishment expulsion from the premier league would be the best option imo. That way they can clean up their respective football clubs change of ownership and establish a proper footballing ethos with the right people at the helm people that understand and have the right values for the game.

[Mint23]

Just now, Sir Shep said:

There won’t be any punishment, the new CL format will go ahead and I dares say that this’ll all die down within a week or so. Obviously I hope I’m wrong but I just can’t see it going any other way. 

I think you’re right, maybe they’ll give them a small points deduction but the new CL format would mean they’d qualify anyway because of their coefficient points from previous seasons so there really wouldn’t be a punishment at all

 

[Zear0]

What I'd like:

• Suspended points deduction so that if this lot come out with any more of these schemes they get deducted points immediately.  This is the 2nd one in less than a year.
• Change to the owners test.  Think I read the "fit and proper" test relates to purely financial aspects.  Needs to be amended to include integrity and respect for the sport they're engaging in.  If they've broken the code, then they're (the individuals) banned from attending (not that they'd care) meetings or events.  Hard to enforce banning them from the grounds they own, but let's keep them away from the prawn sandwiches at Wembley etc.
• Financial penalty that's distributed to the lower leagues or grass roots schemes.  Yes, these people don't care about fines, but the clubs and sports teams who could benefit from this would.
• Education forum on the football structure.  It was reported on SSN that one of the owners attended a game and didn't know what colour his team were playing in.  Get them to spend a week being educated about football and the history.   This is purely driven from me out of spite, as anyone who'd attended a speed awareness course knows how tedious these things can be.
• My simple understanding of the Premier League rules is that they've brought the game into disrepute and also broken some other rules they've signed up to.  Something has to happen.

What I think will happen:

• A strongly worded letter and a big hug from UEFA.

[tylesta]

Surely should get banned from europe after all they didnt want to tak part in the europa or champions league 

[Gamble92]

Theres been literally no talk about what the new champions league format has done for clubs like us. Not saying it was all done to cover up that, but its been about the best distraction you can get to any opposition to it.

[LanguedocFox]

I wholeheartedly agree that there should be a substantial punishment - anything from a serious points deductions (minimum of 30) through to relegation or bans from European football for a period of time. The problem is that the first thing the ar$ehole owners will do is hire teams of expensive lawyers to drag it through the courts and bankrupt the FA, PL and Uefa in the process.

 

The only approach that will really work is for the Government to legislate on the governance of football clubs and ensure that fans have a majority of ownership/control over decision-making - the so-called German model. It clearly works on every level and would help get rid of vermin like Fenway, the Glazers, Abramovich, Kroenke, Mansour, ENIC and all the others who only want to take out of the game.

 

Speaking selfishly, the downside might be that decent owners (take a bow, Top and King Power) would walk away, and without King Power's support at every level, City would probably suffer. However, cutting the so-called 'Big Six' (well, big five plus Spurs) down to size might be worth the pain. It would be interesting to hear what Susan Whelan and Top have to say on the subject.

[joachim1965]

8 hours ago, Jobyfox said:

I think all the owners of these clubs should be rounded up, stripped naked, publicly flogged and flayed. 

 

Or, if not that, they should receive a very strict telling off! 

yes, we must tell them that they've been very naughty boys.

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

A massive fine is the most sensible approach for me. I feel uncomfortable about any kind of points deduction as I punishes the fans - they should however scrap the points deduction for administration at the same time.

 

These clubs are hurting financially and so are all clubs - you wouldn't need to ban them in the transfer market. Fine them 100m each and then you'll see a change in behaviour from them.

 

If nothing is done we'll be back here in 6 months or less.

[lestalee]

When you see teams like Sheff Weds and Bolton Wanderers being punished 

and rightly so ,you have to do the same to the six ,sorry but you cant have one rule for teams like SWFC,BWFC and different rules for the stupid six ,its got to be points deductions ..

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

4 minutes ago, LanguedocFox said:

I wholeheartedly agree that there should be a substantial punishment - anything from a serious points deductions (minimum of 30) through to relegation or bans from European football for a period of time. The problem is that the first thing the ar$ehole owners will do is hire teams of expensive lawyers to drag it through the courts and bankrupt the FA, PL and Uefa in the process.

 

The only approach that will really work is for the Government to legislate on the governance of football clubs and ensure that fans have a majority of ownership/control over decision-making - the so-called German model. It clearly works on every level and would help get rid of vermin like Fenway, the Glazers, Abramovich, Kroenke, Mansour, ENIC and all the others who only want to take out of the game.

 

Speaking selfishly, the downside might be that decent owners (take a bow, Top and King Power) would walk away, and without King Power's support at every level, City would probably suffer. However, cutting the so-called 'Big Six' (well, big five plus Spurs) down to size might be worth the pain. It would be interesting to hear what Susan Whelan and Top have to say on the subject.

I reckon Top feels emboldened by this. They know at the club they've got them rattled. This is his father's legacy and he's doing a brilliant job - he won't stop now.

[hejammy]

Just now, Chocolate Teapot said:

A massive fine is the most sensible approach for me. I feel uncomfortable about any kind of points deduction as I punishes the fans - they should however scrap the points deduction for administration at the same time.

 

These clubs are hurting financially and so are all clubs - you wouldn't need to ban them in the transfer market. Fine them 100m each and then you'll see a change in behaviour from them.

 

If nothing is done we'll be back here in 6 months or less.

A massive fine which them inversely goes in parts to the lower league clubs. 

[Guest Chocolate Teapot]

1 minute ago, hejammy said:

A massive fine which them inversely goes in parts to the lower league clubs. 

Yeah absolutely. I hope fans now all see the value in the 92 league clubs and beyond. Create a fund that ensures clubs don't go bust, regulate it properly to avoid financial malpractice and don't let these ****ers get away with it.

 

We all know what it's like to almost lose your club - fans of clubs like Bury were left hung out to dry and we shouldn't allow that to happen.

[Vlad the Fox]

3 hours ago, DJ Barry Hammond said:

You’d have thought they might have done the odd focus group in that time, you know, gauge opinion with a few circles, maybe even discuss the idea inside their own clubs with senior players and trusted management... to then understand this was not a good idea.

They knew how unpopular this would be. That’s why everything was in place before it was announced and everyone was kept in the dark, with everything set up they’d then ride out the storm. However cracks quickly shown by those not at the forefront and while man u, liverpool and real were prepared to ride out the storm the others weren’t and when they saw the reaction they quickly folded. 
 

While there’s momentum though they should go after eufa and the new champions league and the new billion dollar funding now raising its head. 

[Big Dave]

10 hours ago, Paddy. said:

Nothing will happen. I'm certain of it.

You are probably right.  I am guessing that there needs to be written rules in place to be able to fine, ban, deduct points, etc.  They can’t just make it up as they go along.

[Voll Blau]

A two-year ban from European competition at minimum plus a points deduction for me. These clubs don't value their players' ambitions and should be prepared to lose them on that basis.

[lgfualol]

Nothing will happen, they'll be back in a year's time with a slightly amended plan and probably get it through somehow.

[HybridFox]

38 minutes ago, Mint23 said:

I think you’re right, maybe they’ll give them a small points deduction but the new CL format would mean they’d qualify anyway because of their coefficient points from previous seasons so there really wouldn’t be a punishment at all

 

New format doesn't begin until 2024. They can still do it if they want to 

[RowlattsFox]

I don't think there will be any punishment. Maybe a suspended sentence type punishment if they ever tried it again. 

 

It should at least match administration punishments. Be interesting if they all started next season on minus 15. 

 

Can't see UEFA doing anything either. One club maybe but they going to ban 12 clubs from their premier competition.

[norwichfox]

they've been very very naughty and should be grounded and have their pocket money stopped for at least 2 weeks.