Punishment for the 6 clubs?

[ARTY_FOX]

The fact its being reported some clubs are willing to welcome them back with open arms and forget it ever happened and give out no punishments is absolutely disgusting tbh. 

 

I'll be massivley disappointed in the club if we don't ourselves push for punishments. 

Edited 21 April 2021 by ARTY_FOX

[Spudulike]

It really is time to stop calling them the Big six. It provides a degree of status to these clubs where it's certainly not deserved. 

[Bert]

I would be very surprised to see any punishment handed out, I really would. If anything they’ll get a measly fine and maybe a suspended points deduction. 

[Zear0]

Just now, Matt said:

•Points deductions this season and next.

•A ban from all European competitions for the next year, possible 2, possibly more.

 

•A transfer embargo for atleast 2 years.

 

There needs to be an example made and repercussions need to happen.

 

I’ve seen people claiming if you do this you’ll be punishing the fans, players and managers of these clubs who had no involvement it in. I’m sorry but fans, players and managers are involved in clubs going into administration - they still get points deductions and transfer embargo’s.

 

I fear they’ll get a slap on the wrist, all will be forgiven and let’s bow down to the money they bring into the game.

 

The fact these clubs in certain corners are being lauded for ‘seeing sense’ sums it up already, as for the Chelsea fans chanting “We saved football” last night. Wow, irony much?

Yeah I've seen lots of that and it doesn't wash with me either.  If that's the logic, then it gives the owners free reign to just do whatever they want.  The company I work for was caught up in a bribery and corruption scandal (wasn't me!).  Long story short, we lost our bonus as a result of some corrupt director.  It sucks when the employees get shafted by the seniors, but that's business.  If these clubs only see football as a business, then they'll be treated as such.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-quit-super-league-after-fa-ban-warning Reports that they'd be booted out of domestic football and not be able to register international players.  Noting the ESL statement said "Despite the announced departure of the English clubs, forced to take such decisions due to the pressure on them", that seems to align for me.  Henry has come out with the tosh about the change of heart being about the fans, but from my view they only backed out as they couldn't afford to lose the domestic money.

[FoxesWalk]

 

[bmt]

4 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

It really is time to stop calling them the Big six. It provides a degree of status to these clubs where it's certainly not deserved. 

This. One of the things I found hilarious over the past few days is the sky coverage of this. They are the ones who have been pushing this idea of six clubs being more elite than the rest. Big six league tables and all sorts. 

[Fox92]

1 minute ago, Spudulike said:

It really is time to stop calling them the Big six. It provides a degree of status to these clubs where it's certainly not deserved. 

Something that Sky/PL come up with. I'm pleased they didn't want this SuperLeague to happen but they are part of the issue. The money involved in the top flight is staggering and something needs to be done so it's more of a level playing field again. Us winning the league shouldn't be a miracle, it should be something that happens more frequently. Sky can talk about how they love competition but past winners of the top flight stand no chance of winning it again nowadays because the top 6 have far too much money. We put 5 past Man City and they literally went out and spent £60m on a defender. 

[Babylon]

22 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said:

Harry Kane has a beard?  How close do you have to get to see it?

From space 

[yorkie1999]

The problem this time appears to have been the owners, how do you punish an owner without the club suffering? They're probably all sat there pissing themselves laughing as it's all a game to them. I think the only thing that could work is that an owner is only allowed a 49% stake in the club, but then what, would owners walk away, would our owners walk away, who knows, we're their toys to do what they like with. Is it time for a massive overhaul with wage caps and transfer caps and FFP being strictly adhered to, the issue is removing the title of big six and making it a truly level playing field, a bit like what they're trying to do with F1 where each team can do what they like within the rules as long as it doesn't cost more than £145 million. It's the ideal time now the threat of players leaving to the spanish and italian sides seems to be wavering as they're broke anyway.

[Saxondale]

It sounds like Agnelli and the Madrid bloke are convinced they can have another go at it. It remains to be seen whether the English clubs are stupid enough to get involved with the second incarnation, given the grovelling u-turn statements they’ve all had to make.

 

I’m not sure from a legal/regulatory standpoint how they can really be punished given that the project fell apart immediately. They basically threatened to do something, but didn’t actually do anything.

 

Imagine you work for Company A, and your contract specifies you can’t get a part time job elsewhere. You announce on LinkedIn you’re going to be working part time for New Company B. Your boss hauls you in and tells you you can’t do that. After a blazing row, you tell New Company B you won’t be working for them after all. You wouldn’t then expect to be suspended from Company A, I don’t think?

 

Don’t get me wrong, I obviously want these clowns to suffer!

[matty98]

15 minutes ago, Happy Fox said:

Premier League Meeting today for the 14 clubs re punishment you would hope we would advocate for a punishment this season.

 

14 PREMIER LEAGUE CLUBS PLOT PUNISHMENTS FOR BREAKAWAY SIX

There is a difference of opinion among the group of 14 Premier League clubs about whether there should be sanctions against the 'big six', now that they have abandoned their plans for a European Super League, Sky Sports News has been told.

One senior club official has told Sky Sports News that they want to pursue the possibility of punishments, because they feel there is a clear breach of Premier League rules, and a precedent must be set to act as a deterrent to possible future breakaways.

Rule L9 says any member club needs prior written approval by the Premier League Board to enter a new competition, and this official says that rule has “patently been broken” by the rebels signing an agreement to join the Super League.

An executive at another Premier League club has told Sky Sports News that any sanction imposed on the 'big six', such as points deductions or fines would hurt the wrong people - the players, managers and, crucially, the fans of those clubs. 

Instead, they advocate the Premier League rules being tightened for the future, but they say the 'big six' should be welcomed back into the Premier League fold quickly, because “there has to be a measure of realism” here, with those six so crucial to the “overall commercial and sporting success” of the league.

There is likely to be another meeting of the 14 Premier League clubs - possibly even later today - to discuss what should happen next.

I really don't get this argument at all. It's a complete cop out. Did the Sheffield Wednesday players, manager or fans do anything to warrant point deductions? or any other club for that matter? No. But they still got deducted points because they broke the rules. If any leniency is shown to these clubs it's an absolute disgrace.

[bfox]

3 minutes ago, bmt said:

This. One of the things I found hilarious over the past few days is the sky coverage of this. They are the ones who have been pushing this idea of six clubs being more elite than the rest. Big six league tables and all sorts. 

I kind of thought the idea of the term 'big 6' was steadily becoming untrue/ineffectual anyway. Even with pundits/media slowly catching onto this shift in dynamic. Stinks of a last ditch attempt to maintain a stranglehold over any threat from below. 

[glenny_fox]

1 minute ago, Saxondale said:

It sounds like Agnelli and the Madrid bloke are convinced they can have another go at it. It remains to be seen whether the English clubs are stupid enough to get involved with the second incarnation, given the grovelling u-turn statements they’ve all had to make.

 

I’m not sure from a legal/regulatory standpoint how they can really be punished given that the project fell apart immediately. They basically threatened to do something, but didn’t actually do anything.

 

Imagine you work for Company A, and your contract specifies you can’t get a part time job elsewhere. You announce on LinkedIn you’re going to be working part time for New Company B. Your boss hauls you in and tells you you can’t do that. After a blazing row, you tell New Company B you won’t be working for them after all. You wouldn’t then expect to be suspended from Company A, I don’t think?

 

Don’t get me wrong, I obviously want these clowns to suffer!

I'd expect some form of punishment if I signed a legally binding contract to work for company B.

 

But realistically, the people that matter won't push for a punishment as it will likely hurt their brand as well. It's only the fans that will scream for a punishment as we have nothing on the line.

[weller54]

14 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

It really is time to stop calling them the Big six. It provides a degree of status to these clubs where it's certainly not deserved. 

It's the big 4 + 2.

[4everfox]

These clubs need to be hit where it hurts the most, and that's disqualification from European football for a period of time. That will sting them more than any fine.

[Staff]

 

Not one of those clubs in the statements they have published have acknowledged or apologised to the FA, the clubs of the Premier League or anyone within the football pyramid in this country.

 

None of them give any fuchs to the complete disregard they have shown to football in this country, or complete disregard set out to the rules of the league, in particular L9. 

 

People will say punishments affect the fans and players and should be aimed at the owners. These fans haven't complained whilst being bankrolled to trophies and new stadiums which have taken them to this big 6 status in the first place. If they are true fans of these clubs, they should recognise punishment is just for the actions of their clubs and will stick by them regardless of sanctions put in place. 

 

Throw the book at them, and throw it hard. Football history in this country has existed for almost 150 and these 6 teams tried to destroy it through pure greed. The FA need to show that these 6 teams are in no way shape or form more important than any other, from the Premier League right down to grassroots

[Pliskin]

The cynic in me thinks that they’ve only pulled out to avoid repercussions from the FA. Well, isn’t this where we as fans can make our voices heard? 
 

I don’t know if anyone heard Steve Parish on sky on Monday night, he didn’t strike me as being over critical, not on the scale of Neville, and he was present at that meeting, which makes me think the general consensus might be across the board not to hand out heavy punishment. 
 

They should still be punished, because what is stopping them doing it again? But the FA’a bent back will give in now they’ve pulled out, due to the financial gain these clubs offer.

 

Of it were me I’d deduct 20 points off each team and ban them from European football for a year. 

[StriderHiryu]

15 minutes ago, Spudulike said:

It really is time to stop calling them the Big six. It provides a degree of status to these clubs where it's certainly not deserved. 

Scumbag six?

Criminal six?

Band of Thieves?

 

Take your pick.

[Arkie Bennett]

There really should be a severe punishment to each of the six clubs to serve as a deterrent. I fear that there won't be. The 14 need the 6.

 

This has to be the end of the term "big six". The media, including Gary Neville and Jamie Carragher, have for years perpetuated this myth that these six clubs are superior. The media have enabled the fans, the players, the management and the owners of these clubs to regard themselves as more entitled than other clubs to success and to profits. The media have contributed to this week's fiasco. Pundits need to be called out for any reference to the "big six" or variation thereof. 

[Charl91]

I liked the "Greedy Six" terminology  

[Zear0]

12 minutes ago, Saxondale said:

It sounds like Agnelli and the Madrid bloke are convinced they can have another go at it. It remains to be seen whether the English clubs are stupid enough to get involved with the second incarnation, given the grovelling u-turn statements they’ve all had to make.

 

I’m not sure from a legal/regulatory standpoint how they can really be punished given that the project fell apart immediately. They basically threatened to do something, but didn’t actually do anything.

 

Imagine you work for Company A, and your contract specifies you can’t get a part time job elsewhere. You announce on LinkedIn you’re going to be working part time for New Company B. Your boss hauls you in and tells you you can’t do that. After a blazing row, you tell New Company B you won’t be working for them after all. You wouldn’t then expect to be suspended from Company A, I don’t think?

 

Don’t get me wrong, I obviously want these clowns to suffer!

I think until we know how committed they were to this, we won't know for definite if it was verbal scheming or whether they had committed to it.  Man City's statement said "formally enacted the procedures to withdraw...", if there wasn't any actual commitments, then why would need to enact a formal procedure?  If it was just an idea you'd just Dragons Den it and say "We're out".  Perez lives in a fantasy world, but he said they'd all signed up.  Granted he's a lunatic, but not sure he'd just outright lie about something like that.

 

If they had signed up to it, then it could easily be interpreted as entering a competition contravening the PL rules.  If a punishment is handed out, then they'd no doubt appeal and would have to produce the documents they'd signed, or not to prove their innocence.  I'm sure some spiteful ESL owner (Agnelli...) would happily supply evidence against them to give any advantage to his club.

Edited 21 April 2021 by Zear0
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[FoxesWalk]

They have also broken this rule (part c)

[Saxondale]

1 minute ago, FoxesWalk said:

They have also broken this rule (part c)

Can’t argue with that!

[Unabomber]

Not sure why some are saying there won’t be punishments. Of course there will they have clearly broken the rules. I think they need to be  fined a significant sum which can’t be suspended and then points deductions maybe for next season.

[coolhandfox]

I prefer action that improves football and makes it better governed, so this and the likes of Bury don't happen again.

 

Government action which can improve legislation is the most important step, these clubs are not just business but part of the fabric of communities and should be protected in a way like listed buildings.

 

We got lucky with our owners, the likes of Portsmouth, Bury, Cardiff, Blackburn et al did not.

 

I'm not against point ductions but it not the answer to the big picture.

Edited 21 April 2021 by coolhandfox