Punishment for the 6 clubs?

[RonnieTodger]

This is not a victory for fans, unless there are repercussions. 

 

If they've gotten off scot-free, then I'd honestly rather the Super League happened. UEFA have conveniently managed to push through this bullshit new Champions League in the midst of this fallout. 

 

Sheffield Wednesday will go down because of their owners, Wigan did and will only narrowly avoid League Two and Rangers ended up going bust. 

 

These bastards have had enough "glory". Don't let them come back and start ruling the roost again. Imagine if Chelsea win the FA Cup then along with Liverpool, kick us and West Ham out of the top four? They dont even want the Champions League. Punish them.

Edited 21 April 2021 by RonnieTodger

[Chrysalis]

I think they either going to be let off ro get a slap on the wrist which I think is horrid.

 

The FA let Wigan get punished for the actions of their owner, but then come out saying they feel it would be hard on the fans if they did the same for the big 6.

 

I originally thought either a multi year european ban or rolling points deduction, but now I think flat out they need to be relegated, all 6 of them, with no parachute payments which instead are spread out to the rest of the championship.

[Reg Vardy]

don't forget in the past, our previous owners weren't squeaky clean.......

[surrifox]

this is a conspiracy which the perpetrators knew would damage the finances of clubs excluded from this stitch up. The 6 clubs would also  have sat in PL meetings and would be privy to discussions taking place on how to react to moves such as the formation of EPL and would have used this information for their own purposes right up until last weekend.

They should be grateful not to be facing criminal charges  and any fines /points deductions will see them let off lightly 

 

[Aus Fox]

1 minute ago, Reg Vardy said:

don't forget in the past, our previous owners weren't squeaky clean.......

They never decided to join to together with other clubs and try to change the very fabric of the game, they never tried to sponge every last cent out of the game and when they had done that squeeze a little hard with zero regard for who got caught in the cross fire, they never decided to call us life long supporters ‘legacy fans’ because they think we’ll be here for ever regardless of what they’ve done.

They have made mistakes, they’ve been bent rules to suit them - most if not all successful businesses have - this doesn’t make it okay! But they have never tried to change the whole rule book purely to suit there only fat wallets and they have dug into those wallets to help out our local communities.

[Matt]

42 minutes ago, Zear0 said:

Yeah I've seen lots of that and it doesn't wash with me either.  If that's the logic, then it gives the owners free reign to just do whatever they want.  The company I work for was caught up in a bribery and corruption scandal (wasn't me!).  Long story short, we lost our bonus as a result of some corrupt director.  It sucks when the employees get shafted by the seniors, but that's business.  If these clubs only see football as a business, then they'll be treated as such.

 

https://www.theguardian.com/football/2021/apr/20/chelsea-and-manchester-city-quit-super-league-after-fa-ban-warning Reports that they'd be booted out of domestic football and not be able to register international players.  Noting the ESL statement said "Despite the announced departure of the English clubs, forced to take such decisions due to the pressure on them", that seems to align for me.  Henry has come out with the tosh about the change of heart being about the fans, but from my view they only backed out as they couldn't afford to lose the domestic money.

Perhaps (and I’m being abit naive here but just musing a point) players might actually think about their moves in the future and who they’re dealing with instead of chasing the pounds.

 

I’m fairly confident in saying I bet Kanye, Drinkwater, Mahrez, Maguire, Chilwell have ever even met the owners of their new clubs who have no disregard for their futures with these plans.

 

Edited 21 April 2021 by Matt

[deejdeej]

If the reports of a massive payout from Uefa are true, then these greedy c***s have got exactly what they wanted. Sickening.

[FoxCal]

Can’t get my head around this idea that a points deduction isn’t  appropriate because it ‘only hurts the fans, players and managers who aren’t to blame’. They aren’t to blame. But so what?

 

Are the fans to blame when poor club management or self interest leads to administration? Those fans, players and managers have enough to worry about in not getting paid or having no club left to support before points deductions and, more often than not, relegations.

 

Every club has peaks and troughs. Maybe they’re all due one. They can’t keep behaving as though they’re invincible. Has to be substantial fines that are distributed across the Championship and below as well as an immediate and/or substantial point deduction going into next season.

[RowlattsFox]

It will be amazing how quickly the fans/managers/players of the biggest clubs will turn on everyone else if they did get a points deduction. How many will say, yep got what we deserved. 

[lcfc sheff]

It actually sickens me it’s only considered how the fans will feel just because these are “big clubs”. They can **** right off, punish them appropriately for the love of god 

[Stoopid]

These clubs will suffer long-term reputational damage as a result of the naked greed and frankly jaw-dropping levels of stupidity they've displayed. 

Sh#t sticks, and the amount they've covered themselves in isn't going to be easily removed for years. 

There's always a temptation to be vindictive in victory - but it rarely works. And it isn't their fans' fault. But the level of embarrassment they are going to have to live with is the real punishment. 

Strong punitive measures would only give them something to react against, and a weapon to use against the disgust and ridicule that's going to dog them for years.

(Maybe just kick Chelsea out of the FA Cup!)

[dayday]

Hammer the bastards, relegate the lot of them.

 

They'll think twice next time 

[Ric Flair]

What actual punishments can the respective bodies dish out for this? In terms of the PL, I can't imagine a lot as what they had signed up to hadn't actually led to them effecting the domestic league yet. There's probably just enough lack of action that prevents anything being sanctioned against them.

 

UEFA, what are they going to do? Probably got more ability to punish based on these plans being a direct assault on their existence but if they do punish then it will give these 12 more of a reason to break a way and although you don't not punish due to the power of the offender, we know how hypocritical and borderline corrupt UEFA are so they'll not cut their nose off. These 12 will likely get part of what they wanted now from the current European competitions.

 

I think the real punishment will have to be carried out by the fans, make their feelings known and cause the owners and directors of these clubs as much problems as possible. I'd like to think we can all start to have our voices heard and then take that forward on many areas of the game that need improving but it's a tough battle to fight but now is the time with some momentum and vitriol.

 

[baldeagle]

They’ll get off Scot free 

[Ric Flair]

1 minute ago, baldeagle said:

They’ll get off Scot free 

Not if Souness has owt to do with it, ruthless little bastard.

[HighPeakFox]

57 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

How do you punish an owner without the club suffering? They're probably all sat there pissing themselves laughing as it's all a game to them.

This is absolutely on the money. 

[yorkie1999]

8 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

What actual punishments can the respective bodies dish out for this? In terms of the PL, I can't imagine a lot as what they had signed up to hadn't actually led to them effecting the domestic league yet. There's probably just enough lack of action that prevents anything being sanctioned against them.

 

UEFA, what are they going to do? Probably got more ability to punish based on these plans being a direct assault on their existence but if they do punish then it will give these 12 more of a reason to break a way and although you don't not punish due to the power of the offender, we know how hypocritical and borderline corrupt UEFA are so they'll not cut their nose off. These 12 will likely get part of what they wanted now from the current European competitions.

 

I think the real punishment will have to be carried out by the fans, make their feelings known and cause the owners and directors of these clubs as much problems as possible. I'd like to think we can all start to have our voices heard and then take that forward on many areas of the game that need improving but it's a tough battle to fight but now is the time with some momentum and vitriol.

 

There ain't any fans, we're all banned from going.

[Chrysalis]

bunch of wussies.

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/12282315/european-super-league-other-14-premier-league-clubs-divided-on-big-six-punishments

 

Shame they dont think about the fans when Wigan got punished.

 

This is what I would do.

 

Relegate all 6, no parachute payments which instead go to rest of championship.

Then either promote 9 this season with bottom 3 going down, or promote 6 with bottom 3 staying up.

Reserve one auto promotion spot for a non big 6 club so the others still have something to play for.

 

But it wont happen, they will get a slap on the wrist at worst, realise there is no consequences and this will be tried again in future.

 

The message will come out these 6 clubs are too big to punish which gives them license to do what they want.

Edited 21 April 2021 by Chrysalis

[egg_fried_rice]

For me, it's not about punishment, it's about how we restructure the running and ownership of football clubs in this country.

 

These unfettered vulture capitalists cannot be allowed to continue - let's take football back so it's not attractive to an investor as a money making venture. Strong regulation and change to the model is needed I can't really see this laissez-faire government doing that, but I have to hope.

 

[Guest Danny Clender]

1 hour ago, Spudulike said:

It really is time to stop calling them the Big six. It provides a degree of status to these clubs where it's certainly not deserved. 

If we and/or West Ham finish in the top 6 this season, the 'Big Six' term will become even more embarrassing. 

I think there will be a Blue Peter competition to re-name the group of 6 want-away clubs. 

[Webbo]

Would there have been this level of outrage if Brighton and Southampton had said they were leaving to form their own league? Of course not, everyone was angry because we knew it would negatively affect our club and the reason is we all know is that those bring in the big money from abroad. They do have a certain power and we do need them, it's silly to pretend otherwise. 

 

If we ban them from Europe or relegate them they might as well go and form their own league and their fans will be own their side this time. 

 

A fine or  a small points deduction maybe but I'd be surprised if they even got that. 

[Chrysalis]

1 minute ago, Webbo said:

Would there have been this level of outrage if Brighton and Southampton had said they were leaving to form their own league? Of course not, everyone was angry because we knew it would negatively affect our club and the reason is we all know is that those bring in the big money from abroad. They do have a certain power and we do need them, it's silly to pretend otherwise. 

 

If we ban them from Europe or relegate them they might as well go and form their own league and their fans will be own their side this time. 

 

A fine or  a small points deduction maybe but I'd be surprised if they even got that. 

Would that bother you? I couldnt give a toss if they not in our league anymore, I dont watch the game to watch the glory teams.  

 

To answer your question I think if Brighton and Southampton arranged a unsanctioned competition, then absolutely no question they would have been properly punished for it, the same as to all the other rule breaches we have seen in lower leagues where the book has been thrown at clubs.

Edited 21 April 2021 by Chrysalis

[Ric Flair]

9 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

There ain't any fans, we're all banned from going.

Protests outside their clubs and run their owners out the game, we'll all be back in the next few months. Long and sustained lobbying to oust them and wear them down, bags of flying richard at games another option.

[Guest Danny Clender]

8 minutes ago, Chrysalis said:

bunch of wussies.

 

https://www.skysports.com/football/news/12040/12282315/european-super-league-other-14-premier-league-clubs-divided-on-big-six-punishments

 

Shame they dont think about the fans when Wigan got punished.

 

This is what I would do.

 

Relegate all 6, no parachute payments which instead go to rest of championship.

Then either promote 9 this season with bottom 3 going down, or promote 6 with bottom 3 staying up.

Reserve one auto promotion spot for a non big 6 club so the others still have something to play for.

 

But it wont happen, they will get a slap on the wrist at worst, realise there is no consequences and this will be tried again in future.

 

The message will come out these 6 clubs are too big to punish which gives them license to do what they want.

But, If this was to happen, they'd be as well to form a break away league again. 

[Guest bennytwohats]

I’d take reform over punishment