Punishment for the 6 clubs?

[MrSpaM]

The clubs will argue they didn't want to leave the league, just start an additional competition

 

So unfortunately I'm not sure they've actually done anything to sanction point deductions or exclusions from their current leagues

 

As scummy as that is, I'm not sure it's actually breaking rules

[RoyalBlueGaz]

I definitely think there needs to be a significant punishment but one thing I'd be cautious of is going over the top.

 

The best analogy I can think of is the Treaty of Versailles after the first World War, in that it was so severe that it contributed to you know who getting so many of the German people behind him and the hell that followed. My point is, if it was even possible to hit them with everything we can think of, maybe their fans would react differently should anything like this ever be proposed again and in fact could even make it more likely to come up again. In that vain, I think the comparison is pretty valid.

 

With that being said, I'd happily relegate the lot of them or ban them from Europe next season.

Edited 20 April 2021 by RoyalBlueGaz
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[Jobyfox]

I think all the owners of these clubs should be rounded up, stripped naked, publicly flogged and flayed. 

 

Or, if not that, they should receive a very strict telling off! 

[lcfc81]

To be fair, any points punishment impacts the fans and the players of these clubs who have been amazing in most of this. (to the most part).

There needs to be a move to write the fundamental principles of equity (one club one vote) and competition (open to everyone) as a fundamental rule of any football.

[gw_leics772]

Fit and proper person's test. Surely they should now fail this being force to get rid

[Deeg67]

Not that there’s any chance of serious punishment (appeasement is what I expect) but this “don’t punish the fans” argument seems nonsensical to me.  If a club breaks the rules in a serious way they should be punished seriously.  If you send a murderer to jail that’s hard on their family, but you don’t say “we can’t jail this person because that would be punishing innocent family members too”.

[RoyalBlueGaz]

7 minutes ago, MrSpaM said:

The clubs will argue they didn't want to leave the league, just start an additional competition

 

So unfortunately I'm not sure they've actually done anything to sanction point deductions or exclusions from their current leagues

 

As scummy as that is, I'm not sure it's actually breaking rules

I saw someone quoted on here a Premier League rule that listed the only other competitions that clubs are additionally allowed to compete in, and that they were not allowed to agree to join any others. Even though they've now pulled out they had originally committed to it so I think they have broken that rule.

[enmac]

According to Andy Goldstein they planned this for 3 years. Sourness said the contract was 176 pages long! They're probably already planning some other mendacious endeavour. 

[OhYesNdidi]

2 minutes ago, RoyalBlueGaz said:

I saw someone quoted on here a Premier League rule that listed the only other competitions that clubs are additionally allowed to compete in, and that they were not allowed to agree to join any others. Even though they've now pulled out they had originally committed to it so I think they have broken that rule.

That’s true. 

[Alf Bentley]

Laporte is clearly expecting Man City's punishment to include relegation to the Championship..... 

 

"I, and I believe many other players, feel very happy about this outcome. Today, being able to play in the Championships League is an invaluable chance for me, and it's a magic thing I never want to go away. I want to play it as long as I can, and winning it is probably the top priority for every player involved in the competition. I still believe there are plenty of things to improve and discuss, but this was definitely not the right way. This episode will be a good reminder to everyone: FOOTBALL IS FOR THE FANS".

[MrSpaM]

16 minutes ago, RoyalBlueGaz said:

I saw someone quoted on here a Premier League rule that listed the only other competitions that clubs are additionally allowed to compete in, and that they were not allowed to agree to join any others. Even though they've now pulled out they had originally committed to it so I think they have broken that rule.

This is true, but if you look at the list, the club world cup isn't listed, and teams are still allowed to play in that under permission from the league

 

All of the clubs have pulled out of this super league after permission wasn't granted to enter it earlier today

 

If the league would have allowed them to play in this seperate league it would have gone ahead, regardless of what the fans thought

 

I don't think this portrayal of " the fans have saved us" is really true, the clubs have shit themselves when they realised they didn't have the security of still being in this league if the super league collapsed for some reason

Edited 20 April 2021 by MrSpaM

[FoyleFox]

Whilst I don't actually expect action to be taken, the 12 owners did break the regulations by joining a league competition outside of those permitted within the current UEFA rules. 

 

I agree the managers and fans of the 12 didn't support this and understand why people argue they shouldn't be punished. However, in 1985 English clubs were banned from European competition due to the actions of a minority of fans. Why shouldn't the actions of those 12 club owners also be punished in the same way.

Edited 20 April 2021 by FoyleFox

[fuchsntf]

Just speaking out loud, trying to process this......

 

So it was the Major owners investors of These clubs that instigated these Super League ideas...

Their fans ,managers, players werent complaining , when without playing, they were put on an higher pedastel

Their games will be shown more. And European-cup competitions leagues were moulded around their needs for years..

 

No complaints, that Football was taken Off terrestrial TV, Preventing those hardnose-loyal-base-root-fans from easily following "their-game/pastime"

Joe-blog-supporter from Withinside the UK...has only MOTD highlights,

A rarity to be able to follow National  cup competitions once they reach quarter-final stages...

Impossible to follow Any of your nations successful clubs in Europe..

compared to other countries fans....

 

Pay-TV ,ruling the time of games kick-off,Or what & who can be shown.....EFL/Championship/League 1-2 / including other national Top sports

rarely shown on Any normal TV, even though we have at least 12 channels......

We are becoming obese, unhealthy no encouragement of showing our Major/top National 3-5 sports on normal TV...

Compared to other countries National sports..

UK Governments cut Sport/Art facilities in normal  schools,even denying competition itself, accept in higher or Public-schools....

 

So who the fcuk is innocent....

We created the over-zealous Need for greed, and take as much out of it as you can no matter what it costs...!!!

Innocent players,managers.!!! 

Blind leading the blind & Yes many Top Club fans.... "Entitled-greed".   Not just for Finance but self-indulgence....

 

The Cartels were already in exsistence, with help of  Pay-TV, Top-clubs , players ,fans & normal stake-holders....

We've shit ourselves in the eye...Allowing pay TV & other Marketing areas to Take Sports Away from the normal  Joe Blogg- public..!!

We have the technology, the Need to create jobs, But we cant bring our top Sports into the Normal home...

because of greed & indirectly suppressing competition..

 

Sport isnt ready available to everybody,...We cant encourage our children  give them Sporting aspirations & Dreams ,

neither rich nor poor because we dont make it easy or available in the best Medium we have...normal terrestrial TV...!!!!

Again no innocents...!!

The owners of These Big clubs were blindly given Carte-blanch...So the "clubs" by association are guilty...!!!

 

Punishments...

#  Rattle the cages of all... their Entitlement attitudes towards sports...> Owners..managers, coaches..agents...media...Players...and Fans <

 

# No Transfers allowed in the Next two windows...(Their squads are Big enough )

# No relegation, no points Reduction this season....

# Next season 9-12pts reduction..just to Show they were irresponsible and their  other board/ Management-Members  cant hide..

#  in the first CL /EL Games in a league-system, start with. - 3pts ,if or when ( next) they qualify from their National League position...

 

The owners...One cant throw them out, their clubs wouldnt then have the Financial support...

 Force them to resign & hand over-Power .  

 Any individual  fine would only be token...

 

 

 

 

 

   

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

 

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Edited 21 April 2021 by fuchsntf

[ARTY_FOX]

**** all this 'don't punish the clubs punish the owners' shit being thrown about. Throw the book at them. Giving them a fine means nothing, stop them playing in Europe for a year or two, give them transfer bans the lot.

Edited 21 April 2021 by ARTY_FOX

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, enmac said:

 

.....you can't help but think that they have actually got what they wanted and they have pulled, the biggest con trick, the devil ever pulled!!!

We have walked, led by the hand, into a format detrimental to the development of the game (the revised Champions League) and has given more power to people who care nothing for the game and forged a link, that will in due course create a structure, which they now say was a mistake, but is actually their ultimate goal, deferred for now, but inevitable.

[trabuch]

16 minutes ago, ARTY_FOX said:

**** all this 'don't punish the clubs punish the owners' shit being thrown about. Throw the book at them. Giving them a fine means nothing, stop them playing in Europe for a year or two, give them transfer bans the lot.

I don't even think that would punish the fans. Not the real ones. I expect they might actually enjoy life down in the real world.

[trabuch]

Let's be honest. There really wasn't a huge reaction from the fans anyway. The odd banner removed - a few hundred turning up to protest at matches. Sky got very wound up by it - because they weren't part of the deal. That's all. Then the Govt got involved because they thought they might get a few more votes. What an absolute shit show. At the end of the day everyone is happy. And still the beat goes on.

[Babylon]

If those 12 teams suddenly had more power or a stronger position, you can bet they’d use it to wrestle more control and more money for themselves.
 

Currently the power has shifted back, so the opportunity is there for a short window to take back what has been given away. 
 

Teams need to grow some balls and fight for it now whilst they can and it’s fresh in the minds.

[trabuch]

1 minute ago, Babylon said:

If those 12 teams suddenly had more power or a stronger position, you can bet they’d use it to wrestle more control and more money for themselves.
 

Currently the power has shifted back, so the opportunity is there for a short window to take back what has been given away. 
 

Teams need to grow some balls and fight for it now whilst they can and it’s fresh in the minds.

To where?

[The_77]

Is there no mechanism available to expel those owners?

[Gerard]

3 hours ago, Paddy. said:

Nothing will happen. I'm certain of it.

 

It'll be this:

 

[ozleicester]

Ban them from europe next year, sad for the fans, but make no mistake, those owners wont cross those fans in the future. Sad for the players but hey ho, they are pretty much mercenaries and understand the risk in going where the $ goes.

In the end ill be happy if they just stop the take over of the revised Champions League by them.

Edited 21 April 2021 by ozleicester

[Sampson]

1 hour ago, MrSpaM said:

The clubs will argue they didn't want to leave the league, just start an additional competition

 

So unfortunately I'm not sure they've actually done anything to sanction point deductions or exclusions from their current leagues

 

As scummy as that is, I'm not sure it's actually breaking rules

They brought the game into disrepute. Pretty easy to argue that I'd have tonight given the media attention.

[Babylon]

19 minutes ago, trabuch said:

To where?

Other clubs, the premier league, uefa, the fans. Literally everyone else, as we now know these bottle jobs won’t leave. The threats are now empty, for a while at least.

[ARTY_FOX]

Just now, Babylon said:

Other clubs, the premier league, uefa, the fans. Literally everyone else, as we now know these bottle jobs won’t leave. The threats are now empty, for a while at least.

All that's going to happen here is people are going to start harping on about 'punish the owners not the clubs. It's not fair' ect ect then In a couple of years when they've got it all figured out again they'll be back to announcing their intention to join a super league. This isn't the end if everyone just welcomes them back.