Punishment for the 6 clubs?

[ozleicester]

Change ownership rules, nationalise 50.1% of all clubs and give them back to their fans

[fuchsntf]

This wouldn t have happened if we had Nationalised everything....

 

[Gubbins]

The Versailles treaty analogy is a pretty good one. Throwing all 6 under the bus would likely come back to bite us all in some way if it were to happen but equally so would doing nothing. At this moment in time these clubs and owners have had their balls removed and as long as the punishment isnt too draconian it wouldnt be fought too aggressively by either them or their fans.

A transfer ban would be fairly pointless as shown by Chelsea last summer. They would simply save up and double down the first chance they got. A fine with the cash spread down the pyramid would work better but it would absolutely have to be in the 9 figure range to have any meaning or effect on the clubs. The best punishment would be a points deductions in the 15 - 25 points range for next season combined with European bans for next year. A season of real mid to lower table mediocrity for these clubs is just what the doctor ordered (or in Arse and Spurs case an honest to goodness relegation battle!). Yes most of them would be back at the top pretty soon after but a statement would have been made and the idea of the big 6 would be eternally destroyed. As others have said though I genuinely expect nothing other than a few harsh words from the authorities and something similar to happen in 5-10 years time when the dust has settled. Money still talks.

[AyewJoking]

5 hours ago, Paddy. said:

Nothing will happen. I'm certain of it.

Thats the easy answer and the right one.

[AyewJoking]

3 hours ago, enmac said:

According to Andy Goldstein they planned this for 3 years. Sourness said the contract was 176 pages long! They're probably already planning some other mendacious endeavour. 

Yes all the planning then withdrawing after a few days uproar

[Dan]

30 point deduction next season should anybody involved with the club still be involved with them from the start of that season, and from then on, anybody who proposes anything along these lines working for these clubs given the same points deduction immediately. The priority has to be about preventing this ever being threatened again.

[DJ Barry Hammond]

4 hours ago, enmac said:

According to Andy Goldstein they planned this for 3 years. Sourness said the contract was 176 pages long! They're probably already planning some other mendacious endeavour. 

You’d have thought they might have done the odd focus group in that time, you know, gauge opinion with a few circles, maybe even discuss the idea inside their own clubs with senior players and trusted management... to then understand this was not a good idea.

[reynard]

Can't see anything at all happening now. There should be an immediate points deduction of at least 20 points and a suspended points deduction of 100 points suspended for a period of 23 years. This would kick in if any of them tried that again.

 

Problem is any points deduction hits the fans as much as the owners and it is clear it is the greedy owners to blame and not the fans.

 

Suspect there will be a firm reprimand in writing, an instruction to sit on the naught step for 48 hours, an outcry of moral outrage that nothing is being done for a couple of days and, by the weekend Sky will be talking about the Big 6 once again.

[KansasFox]

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Edited 21 April 2021 by KansasFox
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[nnfox]

When you read half their statements about leaving the Super League, you can see that they're already plotting the next iteration of it.

 

People who say it's the fans that will get punished are missing the point.  These are huge clubs and history shows us that fines have very little effect on them.  Points deductions and bans are the only meaningful punishment that can be imposed.  I would say somewhere in the region of 20-25 point deduction next season and a two year ban from UEFA competitions. That would be enough for most of them to sweat it out in a relegation scrap and might even see a couple of them go, but they would bounce back.

 

As for the fans, nobody is suggesting that the fans stop supporting their teams.  There's no mention of banning fans from grounds or stopping them from buying merchandise etc.  Their fans don't have a god given right to see their teams at the top of the league anymore than any other fans.  The essence of being a fan is that you support your club through thick and thin, it's all part of being a supporter.  We should know.

[Dahnsouff]

3 hours ago, fuchsntf said:

This wouldn t have happened if we had Nationalised everything....

Your right. Nothing would get done.  

[teblin]

Fines are pointless, all the owners are super rich billionaires.

 

they didn’t want to be in the champions league anymore, so stop them for a season or 2.

 

I know it will punish the fans/players if there is a points deduction, however it’s not the fans fault when teams go into administration and points deduction happens then.

 

The players aren’t directly to blame here of course and the stand they have made is the right one. But the extortionate wages some of them earn is a massive issue. But that isn’t just at those 6 clubs.

[Dahnsouff]

6 minutes ago, teblin said:

Fines are pointless, all the owners are super rich billionaires.

 

they didn’t want to be in the champions league anymore, so stop them for a season or 2.

 

I know it will punish the fans/players if there is a points deduction, however it’s not the fans fault when teams go into administration and points deduction happens then.

 

The players aren’t directly to blame here of course and the stand they have made is the right one. But the extortionate wages some of them earn is a massive issue. But that isn’t just at those 6 clubs.

UEFA lose out by banning these clubs from their competitions (they may deserve it, but that is a separate discussion) and as much as fans/players/employees should not have to bear the cost of their owners misdemeanours, how else do you punish an entity such as the clubs except through withholding financial opportunities.

 

Basically the clubs and competitions have become too big and no punishment can occur outside of petty point deductions or negligible fines.

 

Sad state of affairs.

[Sly]

We’ll likely see no reprimand coming the Premier League, unless UEFA press for it. The six clubs didn’t signal an intention to leave the English league system. The clubs only opted out of UEFA competitions. 
 

Surely it’s now more of a case if UEFA impose any sanctions on them, which I can’t see really. They’ve resigned from the European boards, so they’ve lost power. UEFA couldn’t make banning Manchester City for financial fair play stick, so it’ll be a fine at worse case I’d say. 

[st albans fox]

8 minutes ago, Sly said:

We’ll likely see no reprimand coming the Premier League, unless UEFA press for it. The six clubs didn’t signal an intention to leave the English league system. The clubs only opted out of UEFA competitions. 
 

Surely it’s now more of a case if UEFA impose any sanctions on them, which I can’t see really. They’ve resigned from the European boards, so they’ve lost power. UEFA couldn’t make banning Manchester City for financial fair play stick, so it’ll be a fine at worse case I’d say. 

It’s not complicated is it ?

 

uefa offered them an olive branch - said it wasn’t too late 

 

they responded 

 

case closed 

[Gazza M]

Won't be a lot. Whatever happens there will be a legal team ready to pounce and overturn punishments. Still think it was scandalous how Man City squirmed out of the European ban they had. 

[Grebfromgrebland]

I get a horrible feeling they'll be rewarded for their actions more than punished.

 

I personally feel a European ban for the and next season would be fitting.

 

Then we change the way club owners are vetted for fit and proper. This means no oppressive regimes, money launderers etc and new laws introduced to protect the integrity of all professional sport in the UK. Everything earned on merit.

[King of Gipsy Lane]

They backed down after the premier league and UEFA offered them a better way 

 

well that will be the narrative and way to everyone saving face 

 

there will be no punishment,  you can be sure the Banks in America had some sort of break clause that will cost them big anyway 

[Hammo]

Don’t expect the Premier League to sanction them as there was never a threat by the Selfish Six to leave their domestic league.

 

And as for UEFA, they will be delighted to have them all back - especially as they returned on the day that Ceferin offered them the chance to. Four of them will even be playing in next week’s Champions League and Europa League semi finals.

 

The only real punishment can come from the other clubs  - by following the lead of Leicester City and beating all six of the b******s on the field of play!

[Guest ttfn]

Let’s not forget that this is the second go they’ve had at grotesquely enriching themselves at everybody else’s expense in the last 12 months after Project Big Picture.

 

Where does this end if the rest of the football community doesn’t show some dignity and push back and use the limited recourse it does have to punish these other clubs?

[Guest Danny Clender]

I believe there should be no punishment at all for the 6 clubs.

Any punishment lands at the doors of football fans, the same fans that have just shown what unity can bring, I can't see the connection of punishing fans for their owners mistakes. 

 

If football fans have truly discovered the power and influence they wield then use it productively.

Restructure and review the elements of football that actually do require development.

 

RACISM

VAR

TRANSFERS

CLUB OWNERSHIP

ACADEMY DEVELOPMENT 

MENTAL HEALTH

LEAGUE PYRAMID SUSTAINABILITY

GRASS ROOTS 

SALARY

MANAGEMENT

SCHEDULES

BROADCAST TIMES

FFP

FOXESTALK REP POINTS FOR RIC FLAIR

 

Maintain the current Government alliance and use it going forward.

 

I think we'll see over the next few months who controls football. 

 

Honestly, did nobody read 'Long Walk to Freedom'?

 

 

 

[coolhandfox]

The biggest punishment is for the government to carry on with it review and change the governance of football and ownership model for clubs were fans have more impute.

 

Regulation of owners, agents, proper FFP, wages caps etc.

 

None of which punishes the fans.

Edited 21 April 2021 by coolhandfox

[DJ Barry Hammond]

8 hours ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said:

In U.S. sports, there is usually a mechanism in place to force an owner to sell a club. But alas, that's not an option in European football, so the clubs should be punished, since  that's the only way to punish their owners.

 

All 12 of the Super League clubs should be relegated. This will provide revenue to the lower division, and in England's case, it will take at least two years for all 6 to make their way back, maybe more. They should be banned from Champions League for 3 years, but not European football. They could still get a spot by winning a cup, giving more prestige to those tournaments.

 

But this bullpucky about Chelsea and Man City being the "saviours of football" -- rats leaving the ship. The league was doomed without PSG or Bayern, and they didn't even have a guaranteed broadcaster. It was a debt-financed venture for debt-ridden clubs. To hell with all of them.

This sort of sentiment is ludicrous on a number levels.

 

For one, the punishment doesn’t really fit the crime - in that the clubs have threatened to do something but then fell flat on their face at the very first point of execution. 
 

Had the clubs actually gone through with this and played any number of games, then the idea of a forced relegation or points deduction could be conceived as credible, but based on the position now??? 
 

Nah, no way! 
 

But the other important thing to consider is the wider ramifications of the action of relegating 12 huge sides, 6 of which sit in the English league system.

 

Relegating the “big 6” to the Championship (or lower as some have suggested) would make a mockery not only of that seasons competition but for many more beyond.
 

And that wouldn’t just relate to the league those clubs were relegated to. 
 

Based on this scenario, whoever won the Premier League in the following year would be doing so with a big asterisk placed next to it in everyone’s mind - “ah but they didn’t do it against the big six did they?” 
 

And do you know the ultimate irony of this call for the clubs relegation / banning from European competitions? 
 

It is essentially the reverse of what we’ve all been so disgusted by - it’s anti competition of competitive merits.
 

The clubs actions so far have had no material impact on the action on the field of play - so why should any sanction come against the sporting merits of these clubs?

[gerblod]

Are we, as fans, so apathetic that we're talking about points deduction and fines and accepting that the 6 will reassume the position of shafting the whole English football system?

Now is an excellent time to call year zero for next season. Forget the Versailles analogy. The 6 aren't post WW1 Germany !

They exist only because of the English leagues - in its context. They were seeking to leave this system - which has allowed them a privileged position, especially since 1992. Therefore they have to prove their loyalty and declare their regret and ask if they'll be allowed to return. 

In the name of entertainment, we've allowed the worst kind of sharks to infiltrate English football. We've allowed money to skew what could be a level playing field. None of those six have won their silverware on merit - money has been the overriding factor - powered by greed.

Demotion to the 4th Tier and let's all live with the consequences of pumping some money where it's truly needed. Let's not forget we've been somewhat indulged by this Sky model.

 

[Glorious Leicester Fan]

9 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

The biggest punishment is for the government to carry on with it review and change the governance of football and ownership model for clubs were fans have more impute.

 

Regulation of owner, agents, proper FFP, wages caps etc.

 

No of which punish the fans.

Exactly. The formation of ESL was the reason why the Americans brought the clubs in the first place.
 

Knee jerk, short term token punishment is pointless. A long term structural reform  of football is the only way forward.