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Southampton away pre-match

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davieG

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“Danny Ings and Ryan Bertrand are out, they are not training at the moment,” 

 

Hasenhuttl has confirmed that neither will be fit enough to play against Leicester.

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we got this! Just hope we fly out of the blocks from kick off and grab 3 goals before the half. It's the way to do it than expel all that energy 2nd half to get back in the game which we know we can do but I prefer the former (its less stressful to watch lol). Nachos to get a hatrick in this game and maybe Vardy gets one too!

Has Nachos received a player of the month award from the league yet? He should!

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On 27/04/2021 at 12:27, foxfan92 said:

Its the lack of any liquid in take that has the effect. 

 

As someone who's fasting as well during Ramadan (and playing 30 mins of football at the weekend), its no easy task, and clearly I can't compare that to the intensity of a Premier league game where little Wes is getting up at some time around 4 o'clock in the morning to pray and then playing a 90 min Premier league match and having to train hard with no food or water every day too.

 

I've seen him make the odd stray pass, and that's all I'm doing in the games I play at the weekend (I'm not brilliant at the best of times, but dehydration makes it harder to concentrate). I find around 7 o'clock I hit a wall, as too do other family and friends fasting. I'm sure Little Wes is in much better condition than me, so maybe he doesn't do that, but I'm certain he'll feel the effects in some way.

 

He seems to be doing a great job and luckily in last nights game it was agreed he could break his fast and got liquid in take after 35 mins, but, as we saw when he came off after 60 mins against West Brom, its going to have an effect.

 

I'm a huge fan of Little Wes, and can't see him being dropped, but not sure I totally agree that it won't have any affect. Food fasting, maybe, but no liquids all day ... thats the hard part.

Thanks for your insight. Just found this from the British Journal of Family Medecine. 

In particular, strenuous or physically demanding activities should be avoided. Where stressors are unavoidable, for example for those employed in physically demanding roles of high intensity, such as airline pilots as mentioned, fasting can be postponed to alternative dates when they are not working. 

Why can't Fofana follow this regime? 

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foxfan92

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31 minutes ago, enmac said:

Thanks for your insight. Just found this from the British Journal of Family Medecine. 

In particular, strenuous or physically demanding activities should be avoided. Where stressors are unavoidable, for example for those employed in physically demanding roles of high intensity, such as airline pilots as mentioned, fasting can be postponed to alternative dates when they are not working. 

Why can't Fofana follow this regime? 

It will be his choice. The idea of postponing a day of fasting then making it up later might seem sensible to someone not participating, but this is a holy month and I'm guessing he'll feel more comfortable not missing any unless he really has to. 

 

As we can see, in spite of fasting, he's still performing at a high level; (maybe the odd stray pass, but you can see from the post match ratings for the last 2 games on here,  he's not really letting fasting affect his performance).

 

You also have to remember that he'll be doing intensive training each day while fasting. He won't be postponing every fast, and definitely not this Friday as Fridays for a Muslim are a bit like Sundays for a Christian or Saturdays for a Jew. 

 

If his performances were dropping it might be a conversation between him and Brendan, but since they're not, who are we to judge?

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foxfan92

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1 hour ago, davieG said:

“Danny Ings and Ryan Bertrand are out, they are not training at the moment,” 

 

Hasenhuttl has confirmed that neither will be fit enough to play against Leicester.

Its a very Leicester thing to do.

 

Win against a full strength team, but struggle against ones when injuries occur to their key players. 

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deanolegend1989

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12 minutes ago, filbertway said:

What's your point? lol

 

Please don't tell me you're comparing a confident inform West Ham to the pathetic husk of a team that Southampton are. 

My point is missing players can help but it doesn’t guarantee anything. I’d argue Rice and Antonio are more crucial to West Ham than Bertrand and Ings are too Southampton. How have West Ham done since the game vs us?

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30 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

My point is missing players can help but it doesn’t guarantee anything. I’d argue Rice and Antonio are more crucial to West Ham than Bertrand and Ings are too Southampton. How have West Ham done since the game vs us?

Lost away to Newcastle after being down to 10 men and lost to Chelsea.

 

My point is, we should be beating these anyway. Missing 3 or 4 key players it should be a convincing win.

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31 minutes ago, deanolegend1989 said:

My point is missing players can help but it doesn’t guarantee anything. I’d argue Rice and Antonio are more crucial to West Ham than Bertrand and Ings are too Southampton. How have West Ham done since the game vs us?

So far this season in the league:

 

West Ham: 50% win rate without Rice this season (Played 4 won 2 lost 2), 42% win rate without Antonio (Played 12 won 5 drawn 2 lost 5)

 

Southampton: 33% win rate without Bertrand (Played 3 won 1 lost 2), 14% win rate without Ings (Played 7 won 1 drawn 2 lost 4)

 

West Ham fair much better without Rice and Antonio than Southampton do without Bertrand and Ings

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420Hashish

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1 hour ago, enmac said:

Thanks for your insight. Just found this from the British Journal of Family Medecine. 

In particular, strenuous or physically demanding activities should be avoided. Where stressors are unavoidable, for example for those employed in physically demanding roles of high intensity, such as airline pilots as mentioned, fasting can be postponed to alternative dates when they are not working. 

Why can't Fofana follow this regime? 

Because working isn't a valid reason to not fast in Islam. The "make-up dates" for fasting are for stuff like illnesses, intense bleeding, medical injections, hospital treatment, etc. The British journal might apply this to jobs like airline pilots because pilots need to be at the top of their game while flying up there, otherwise hundreds of people are at risk. 

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3 minutes ago, filbertway said:

Lost away to Newcastle after being down to 10 men and lost to Chelsea.

 

My point is, we should be beating these anyway. Missing 3 or 4 key players it should be a convincing win.

Of course we should but we should also be beating West Ham with their 2 key men out. Not be scrambling at 3-0 down getting over run.

 

6 minutes ago, moore_94 said:

So far this season in the league:

 

West Ham: 50% win rate without Rice this season (Played 4 won 2 lost 2), 42% win rate without Antonio (Played 12 won 5 drawn 2 lost 5)

 

Southampton: 33% win rate without Bertrand (Played 3 won 1 lost 2), 14% win rate without Ings (Played 7 won 1 drawn 2 lost 4)

 

West Ham fair much better without Rice and Antonio than Southampton do without Bertrand and Ings

Rice it’s only started now though so it will soon show how much they miss him.

Antonio thats a poor record compared to where they actually are, which shows how key he is.

I’ll give you Ings but Bertrand only 3 games so hard to judge how crucial he is because Southampton have won less than 1/3 of their games in total anyway (10/32).

 

What it shows is West Ham are a lot stronger overall as a team but Antonio is crucial because that’s a huge drop of points for a team that has won 50% of their games. Rice remains to be seen as its new, but the early signs show he’s a massive miss.

 

Ings is a good advantage for us to have, that’s true. However Rice and Antonio not playing was a bigger advantage and we were hopeless for 2 3rds of the game so it’s by no means a guarantee. These are just the type of games we lose when it feels like it should 100% he a win, we throw in a wobbly.

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16 minutes ago, 420Hashish said:

I know we're being kind of cocky, but have we thrashed a team this season yet. Only game that comes to mind is the 2-5 Man City game. 

5-0 v Sheff Utd and a couple of 3-0 games.  Not really blown anyone away, but not really looked like it either.

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4 minutes ago, nnfox said:

5-0 v Sheff Utd and a couple of 3-0 games.  Not really blown anyone away, but not really looked like it either.

We seem to blow teams away for 1 half only. WBA, Brighton, Sheff Utd and Man City all spring to mind as games where we we had 2 very different 45s

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