LCFC Women 2021/22 Thread

[Babylon]

1 hour ago, Paninistickers said:

I agree that the club really should question the investment. Even if the team became chelsea level, it's a grotesque and costly box ticking exercise. ( I actually find it galling that they are even allowed on the KP turf, when they'd be ripped to shreds by a boozed up, overweight Sunday pub side)

 

No junior girls aspire to be a girl footballer. And I can say that as a dad of a girl who's a junior player. They want to be Vards, Mahrez and De Bruyne.

 

Bigging up women's football is an insult to the intelligence of my daughter and presumably millions of others of girls. There's no public demand for women's football. Close to zilch. (Apart from comedy YouTube gifs of appalling gaffes)  . Unlike Tennis, Golf (to an extent), Athletics  Racing and many others where public interest means the sports are genuinely self financing 

 

I like superstar women sport stars. I'm colour blind to whether elite sporting talent is male or female. Being gaslighted into supporting loss making dirge isn't a way to win over the public

The promotion and funding of the game is because quite frankly there is a bit of making up to do for women being banned from playing in 1921. A time their women's games were drawing crowds of 50,000 +.
 

It’s going to take time to grow, the fact your daughters are playing show it is. Almost unheard of when I was at school. Now, you’d be about the 20th person I know with a daughter playing for a team. I go past my local park and honestly see girls playing more regularly than I do lads. The game is growing rapidly and that’s in part because of the push of the game. 

[sacreblueits442]

43 minutes ago, Paninistickers said:

I wouldn't win a point versus a women's tennis pro - any ranking. A female golfer would muller me on every hole (oo err!) . Skier. Horse racer. Snooker player. Volleyball. Badminton. 100m. Javelin. Even rugby. 

 

Yet I'd piss all over City's women's team (lurid double entendre not intended) and I'd probably hold my own versus all but the top 100 players in the world. 

....you notice that most of those you have listed are individual sports people who are proficient in their sport!!!

Strength and stamina are not  factor, in those instances, but a pub team (men) can beat the LCFC women, due to speed and physical strength.

[Vlad the Fox]

23 minutes ago, Babylon said:

The promotion and funding of the game is because quite frankly there is a bit of making up to do for women being banned from playing in 1921. A time their women's games were drawing crowds of 50,000 +.
 

It’s going to take time to grow, the fact your daughters are playing show it is. Almost unheard of when I was at school. Now, you’d be about the 20th person I know with a daughter playing for a team. I go past my local park and honestly see girls playing more regularly than I do lads. The game is growing rapidly and that’s in part because of the push of the game. 

Agree. When my daughter first joined a girls team there was just a handful of clubs miles apart. Now she can chose from about 6 within 5 miles of where we live. And she plays for a team that regularly turns over very good boys teams. The standard is rising very quickly. 

[gerblod]

52 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

....you notice that most of those you have listed are individual sports people who are proficient in their sport!!!

Strength and stamina are not  factor, in those instances, but a pub team (men) can beat the LCFC women, due to speed and physical strength.

The pub team analogy is arguable. There are one or two national women's sides who are exceptionally tough, quick and accurate (Canada, US, Sweden). Looking at US league and college games they don't hold back on the rough stuff either. It's a question of commitment to the life of a professional football player. Their level is to play all stops out.

I've noticed a real improvement in women's football over the last five years or so. The top level English sides play very attractive football.

 

Incidentally, a few years back, I went over to the village school football field to watch an under-12 game with a team from out Lichfield way. One of the lads was bossing the game - had a lovely touch and some nice moves...and long blonde hair. It didn't take me too long to catch on that it was a lass! I've often wondered whether she continued to play. But she made my day on that Saturday morning. 

 

 

[Babylon]

3 hours ago, Vlad the Fox said:

Agree. When my daughter first joined a girls team there was just a handful of clubs miles apart. Now she can chose from about 6 within 5 miles of where we live. And she plays for a team that regularly turns over very good boys teams. The standard is rising very quickly. 

Some of the movement behind it is massively annoying which doesn’t help things. The constant moaning and demands on what is the men’s twitter account about not doing x, y and z for the women is a joke really.

 

As a club we’ve grown rapidly and provided a huge amount for the ladies team already, but it’s never enough for some. 
 

“Should be at Seagrave training”

”Should have built them a stadium”

”Don’t tweet enough about it”

”Why you pushing non league and not the women (they’d already pushed the women’s game).”

 

I’m all for the investment and pushing it to gain interest, but blimey some of them make it hard to like.

[Jimmy]

39 minutes ago, Babylon said:

Some of the movement behind it is massively annoying which doesn’t help things. The constant moaning and demands on what is the men’s twitter account about not doing x, y and z for the women is a joke really.

 

As a club we’ve grown rapidly and provided a huge amount for the ladies team already, but it’s never enough for some. 
 

“Should be at Seagrave training”

”Should have built them a stadium”

”Don’t tweet enough about it”

”Why you pushing non league and not the women (they’d already pushed the women’s game).”

 

I’m all for the investment and pushing it to gain interest, but blimey some of them make it hard to like.

yeah Belvoir Drive alone is an 8 figure investment in them in terms of what we could have sold the land for

[NAKC20]

I'm sure it wasn't the only factor in yesterdays performance but I know for a fact over the last couple of weeks the Women's squad has been so short on numbers, due to covid and injuries etc. .that they had to bring in a local football academy containing 15-16 year old lads just to make up the numbers for team games. Not ideal preparation for possibly the toughest game of their season

[Oldblueyes]

When we have a team that has a goal keeper that can let in two goals direct from consecutive corners, it is really hard to see where we can go from here.

[Babylon]

48 minutes ago, NAKC20 said:

I'm sure it wasn't the only factor in yesterdays performance but I know for a fact over the last couple of weeks the Women's squad has been so short on numbers, due to covid and injuries etc. .that they had to bring in a local football academy containing 15-16 year old lads just to make up the numbers for team games. Not ideal preparation for possibly the toughest game of their season

Saw on twitter someone saying loads of them were in Turkey Cafe the night before... I'm sure it's not true...

[gerblod]

6 hours ago, Babylon said:

Some of the movement behind it is massively annoying which doesn’t help things. The constant moaning and demands on what is the men’s twitter account about not doing x, y and z for the women is a joke really.

 

As a club we’ve grown rapidly and provided a huge amount for the ladies team already, but it’s never enough for some. 
 

“Should be at Seagrave training”

”Should have built them a stadium”

”Don’t tweet enough about it”

”Why you pushing non league and not the women (they’d already pushed the women’s game).”

 

I’m all for the investment and pushing it to gain interest, but blimey some of them make it hard to like.

The final arbiter is always going to be popularity. As you wrote, the women's game was incredibly popular interwar. Whether that was its novelty is an item for debate. But it's interesting that it was suppressed after the war, amidst the chaos of society being 'normalised' by a perceived need to reintegrate men returning from service. 

On the other hand, the men's game has had every stimulus available in order to create the razzmatazz of the game we see now. Yet players are still commodified by a suspect bunch of wheeler-dealers leeching on their potential. So, although I don't appreciate whingers, I sense an insecurity, from men, about the relative positions of women and men in footer.

 

For me, the major inequality, reflected in both elite camps, is the way money is being used to support both games in a morally questionable manner. City Ladies have had a torrid time since reaching the top tier. Yesterday's (?) debacle showed the difference money makes. I'm sure the directors of the 'big' clubs don't spare the dollars in ensuring that every team under their respective  umbrellas reflect the image of overall excellence they require.

[jerry]

1 hour ago, Oldblueyes said:

When we have a team that has a goal keeper that can let in two goals direct from consecutive corners, it is really hard to see where we can go from here.

Are we talking about the men's or women's side ? 🤔

[coolhandfox]

Tragic that the most activity in this thread has had is to moan and question the cost and viability of the woman team due to cost.  

 

They are some really outdated views on here. 

 

The game is for all, and growing the game to be more inclusive is only a good thing.  

 

Maybe in 2, 10, 15 years, we will have girls being inspired by WSL's biggest talents rather than the male's game. 
 

 

[Tanya]

57 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

It doesn't look very good when you get games as poor quality and as uncompetitive as the one yesterday. But then you have clubs like Bury, and others throughout non-league, who would kill for that extra cash from a bit of coverage and provide better entertainment than these affiliates to clubs run by billionaire's. Is giving Chelsea and Leicester women more TV money really the way to develop women's football? Or would putting it back into the lower leagues/grassroots be better.... (even if it's not directly women's football). I know which I'd choose both as an investment to the game and as a customer wanting to watch competitive sport. 

It's incredibly demoralising coming into a women's football thread and having men say the league should be defunded and put it into men's football instead. As if the women's game doesnt live off relative scraps already.

 

Money is not the problem in the men's game. Lax regulation has allowed inequality to thrive, a gross system of haves and haves not. That is the problem. We could properly fund the lower leagues if we adequately regulated the system but we don't. And now greed ruins everything.

 

Nothing to do with the women's game. 

 

As for yesterday. It was a train wreck but I couldn't look away. The girls were panicked by Chelsea's pressing. We kept hoofing the ball forward aimlessly hoping our winger would get on the end of it when Chelsea was playing slick passes along the turf. Real gulf in quality. Main thing for us is to stay up and try and build on our fitness and basic skills for next season. 

Edited 28 March 2022 by Tanya

[coolhandfox]

56 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

It doesn't look very good when you get games as poor quality and as uncompetitive as the one yesterday. But then you have clubs like Bury, and others throughout non-league, who would kill for that extra cash from a bit of coverage and provide better entertainment than these affiliates to clubs run by billionaire's. Is giving Chelsea and Leicester women more TV money really the way to develop women's football? Or would putting it back into the lower leagues/grassroots be better.... (even if it's not directly women's football). I know which I'd choose both as an investment to the game and as a customer wanting to watch competitive sport. 

Do you think the same about Southampton 0 Leicester 9?

[Tommy G]

Who is the goalkeeper? She is absolutely abysmal!

[davieG]

38 minutes ago, Tanya said:

Money is not the problem in the men's game. Lax regulation has allowed inequality to thrive, a gross system of haves and haves not.

...and that is where the Women's League is headed if it's not already there.

 

The FA had a chance to set this up on a level playing field but it looks like they've let the rich 6 get their hands all over it.

[purpleronnie]

49 minutes ago, Tanya said:

It's incredibly demoralising coming into a women's football thread and having men say the league should be defunded and put it into men's football instead. As if the women's game doesnt live off relative scraps already.

 

Money is not the problem in the men's game. Lax regulation has allowed inequality to thrive, a gross system of haves and haves not. That is the problem. We could properly fund the lower leagues if we adequately regulated the system but we don't. And now greed ruins everything.

 

Nothing to do with the women's game. 

 

As for yesterday. It was a train wreck but I couldn't look away. The girls were panicked by Chelsea's pressing. We kept hoofing the ball forward aimlessly hoping our winger would get on the end of it when Chelsea was playing slick passes along the turf. Real gulf in quality. Main thing for us is to stay up and try and build on our fitness and basic skills for next season. 

It seems like certain people can't wait for matches like yesterday just so they can have a go at the womens game....kinda weird.

[st albans fox]

4 hours ago, Oldblueyes said:

When we have a team that has a goal keeper that can let in two goals direct from consecutive corners, it is really hard to see where we can go from here.

My bug bear about womens football

 

outfield players are often so talented and very capable but for some strange reason, female goalkeepers have failed to keep pace with the general development of the game. 

 

 

[coolhandfox]

7 minutes ago, st albans fox said:

My bug bear about womens football

 

outfield players are often so talented and very capable but for some strange reason, female goalkeepers have failed to keep pace with the general development of the game. 

 

 

The average height of starting goalkeepers in the Women's Super League (WSL) 2021-2022 season is 5ft 8in. This is seven inches smaller than the average height of their counterparts in the Premier League (6ft 3in).

 

Makes it a tougher job. 

[coolhandfox]

2 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

The women's game doesn't live off of scraps - most of these clubs have multi-millionaire/billionaire investors behind them. 

 

As @davieGsaid, the second line is becoming true for the women's game also. Sky are once again at fault for this for providing the WSL with a premature TV deal.

Why is it premature?

2 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

 

If the lower league's were properly funded in the men's game, that would in turn lead to further grassroots investment in the women's game - which is a very good thing and where it all starts. The WSL teams don't need further promotion as of current as the demand isn't there, you have to grow at source rather than elite level. Everyone would win that way. 

Surely girls seeing ladies play will only inspire more people to participate? 

 

Why can't you work at both end to improve the game?

 

2 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

I'm glad that the woman's game is growing, I just would like it to be organic-growth and not for the sake of being seen to do the right thing. 

Why? 

 

What wrong with doing the right thing? 

 

2 minutes ago, pmcla26 said:

At least Southampton had 10 men for 80 mins. Don't forget they also then went on to beat us at home in the reverse fixture. That won't happen with the Chelsea vs Leicester women reverse game. Do you really think the WSL and Premier League are comparable in terms of competitiveness? I don't, but in time I'm sure the WSL will get there. 

Never said it did. 

 

But why does it matter?

[st albans fox]

31 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

The average height of starting goalkeepers in the Women's Super League (WSL) 2021-2022 season is 5ft 8in. This is seven inches smaller than the average height of their counterparts in the Premier League (6ft 3in).

 

Makes it a tougher job. 

its much deeper than that. 

[lee7]

As impressive as Chelsea were we really didn't help ourselves. Constantly smashing the ball upfield and gifting Chelsea possession just played into their hands. 

When we come up against teams like this again i'd like to see the women attempt to keep possession a bit more and play their way out of trouble. 

 

 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

...and that is where the Women's League is headed if it's not already there.

 

The FA had a chance to set this up on a level playing field but it looks like they've let the rich 6 get their hands all over it.

...how would we go about making a level playing field unless we adopted a USA style format of "drafts"!!!

  The richer clubs were always going to be at the very top, setting limits of each clubs expenditure, would always lead to a work around by ambitious clubs.

  Take a look at Saracens in Rugby Union, they set up companies for their players and monies were deposited by their chairman as an investment into their individual businesses, as opposed to a hefty salary being paid directly to them by the club.

  Your Doncaster Belles and the teams that they competed with, have all but vanished and TV, being what it is, are not going to be focusing on teams where the brand is unknown.

[davieG]

31 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...how would we go about making a level playing field unless we adopted a USA style format of "drafts"!!!

  The richer clubs were always going to be at the very top, setting limits of each clubs expenditure, would always lead to a work around by ambitious clubs.

  Take a look at Saracens in Rugby Union, they set up companies for their players and monies were deposited by their chairman as an investment into their individual businesses, as opposed to a hefty salary being paid directly to them by the club.

  Your Doncaster Belles and the teams that they competed with, have all but vanished and TV, being what it is, are not going to be focusing on teams where the brand is unknown.

By having them independent of PL clubs, why do you think the Doncaster Belles have all but vanished?  By ensuring all media revenues are split evenly, perhaps even splitting all merchandise revenues evenly like the NFL. 

 

All we're getting now is a female version of the Rich 6 dominated PL. My interest in Women's football is fading at the same rate as these Rich 6 teams take over the Women's league..

 

If LCFC weren't in the PL or Europe I wouldn't be and wasn't interested in how they went the results are too much of a forgone conclusion to get me interested.

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, davieG said:

By having them independent of PL clubs, why do you think the Doncaster Belles have all but vanished?  By ensuring all media revenues are split evenly, perhaps even splitting all merchandise revenues evenly like the NFL. 

 

All we're getting now is a female version of the Rich 6 dominated PL. My interest in Women's football is fading at the same rate as these Rich 6 teams take over the Women's league..

 

If LCFC weren't in the PL or Europe I wouldn't be and wasn't interested in how they went the results are too much of a forgone conclusion to get me interested.

...surely if they were independent of the PL clubs, where would the finance come from!!!

Why would TV invest time and monies into showing games where the skillset is so poor and female players have little or no room to develop. Are you actually harking back to grassroots football as the game has become over commercialised.

 We really need to be asking young girls how they see the game and what they would wish to happen because although we can understand the business sense of the game we need to understand what is it that inspires young girls to want to take up the game.