MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 8 July 2021 Posted 8 July 2021 39 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said: ...that would be a reason to go ahead and sign him!!! The more likely response from the media would be, " he s too good for a club like Leicester...." and have endless discussions of where he would fit in a top four team. I personally believe we are a top four team already and fully staffed we can prove it again this coming season. Breaking our wages structure for him for a season might send a message to the outside but what does it say to the players already trying to take their chance when it arrives in this team. We can't be looking to buy success, at least, not gambling with the ethos we have and the chance to prove yourself, so long as you are committed to do the work that is asked of you. 30 minutes ago, UHDrive said: Two points to consider before I'd sign him. 1. Whether he would fit into our style of play and with our players and 2. That we don't pay barca more than half of his wages. If he comes here then he comes here to do a job. I'm not a fan of loan signings but if he could push us into the top 4 then so beit, but I wouldn't want us making a habit of this type of signing due to potential knocks to the confidence of the junior players and to keep the integrity of our transfer model intact. Coutinho has two years left on his contract, and currently makes -- based on what's in the media, but who really knows -- about the same as Vardy. We are probably going to bump up Youri to the same. Our wages structure is changing, and changing fast. The fact is, a player's cost is the actualized price of his transfer fee + wages. If the Coutinho going for £20 million is right, it is probably worth it. Truth is, I'd bite Barca's hand off for a £5 million loan fee, they pay 20 percent of his wages, with us having an option to buy at £20-25 million. If he performs, we get Champions League and a damn good player. If he doesn't, we've lost Ghezzal money. 2
Nick Posted 8 July 2021 Posted 8 July 2021 4 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: Coutinho has two years left on his contract, and currently makes -- based on what's in the media, but who really knows -- about the same as Vardy. We are probably going to bump up Youri to the same. Our wages structure is changing, and changing fast. The fact is, a player's cost is the actualized price of his transfer fee + wages. If the Coutinho going for £20 million is right, it is probably worth it. Truth is, I'd bite Barca's hand off for a £5 million loan fee, they pay 20 percent of his wages, with us having an option to buy at £20-25 million. If he performs, we get Champions League and a damn good player. If he doesn't, we've lost Ghezzal money. Sounds like his wages are double what Vards is on buddy.
moore_94 Posted 8 July 2021 Posted 8 July 2021 (edited) 8 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: Coutinho has two years left on his contract, and currently makes -- based on what's in the media, but who really knows -- about the same as Vardy. We are probably going to bump up Youri to the same. Our wages structure is changing, and changing fast. The fact is, a player's cost is the actualized price of his transfer fee + wages. If the Coutinho going for £20 million is right, it is probably worth it. Truth is, I'd bite Barca's hand off for a £5 million loan fee, they pay 20 percent of his wages, with us having an option to buy at £20-25 million. If he performs, we get Champions League and a damn good player. If he doesn't, we've lost Ghezzal money. I believe he is actually on more than double what Vardy is on, closer to £400k a week, but comes out with Vardys entire wage AFTER tax Edited 8 July 2021 by moore_94
st albans fox Posted 8 July 2021 Posted 8 July 2021 the wages issue can be solved via a s/o fee which is inflated. Hence he could be on 140k/week and we pay a 13.5m bonus to him for coming here …Barca lose his 20m wages of their bill this season to put towards messi . He costs us roughly 20m inc wages for the season. It’s just different ways around a circle. No doubt jorabchin will take a wedge too out of this. How many years has he left in his Barca contract ?? Of course this would heavily affect any loan fee we would be prepared to pay to Barca but they are more interested in losing his wages for this coming season that getting money in for him in the end, I don’t see this happening because I don’t believe we are prepared to pay this amount of money with nothing to come back at the end …. If you invest in a player then you can sell him at some point l.
An Sionnach Posted 8 July 2021 Posted 8 July 2021 I really don't think we are ever going to see the Coutinho of five years ago again. Even then only when he went did Liverpool become champions. We really need to get Maddison fit and firing and then we have no need of anybody else. 4
MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 8 July 2021 Posted 8 July 2021 5 minutes ago, Nick said: Sounds like his wages are double what Vards is on buddy. 2 minutes ago, moore_94 said: I believe he is actually on more than double what Vardy is on, closer to £400k a week, but comes out with Vardys entire wage AFTER tax Could be...I have seen some Barcelona sites saying he is on 9 million euro a year, so about 165,000 euro a week...others saying it is twice that. Others saying he was willing to take a hit to about that to play for Bayern. But truthfully, not his accountant.
moore_94 Posted 8 July 2021 Posted 8 July 2021 3 minutes ago, MarriedaLeicesterGirl said: Could be...I have seen some Barcelona sites saying he is on 9 million euro a year, so about 165,000 euro a week...others saying it is twice that. Others saying he was willing to take a hit to about that to play for Bayern. But truthfully, not his accountant. That news that came out the other day about Barcelona and the salary cap etc. mentions he is on €14m a year net - which is about £230k a week - after Tax (no clue what the Tax rate is in Spain, the players cheat on that anyway)
sacreblueits442 Posted 8 July 2021 Posted 8 July 2021 20 minutes ago, MGLCFC said: But it works both ways. Great players like Messi, Ronaldo etc. do need other players around them, but just like Kane at Spurs, these players put the ball in the net. I suppose what I am saying is, would we have won the league without Vardy's goals, where would Spurs be without Kane, Man City have relied heavily on Aguero in the past. Whilst I agree players around them like Iniesta create the chances, but truly great players can create something out of nothing and I'm not convinced Barcelona would have been as successful without Messi. ...I wasn't alluding that players like Messi are not needed to make teams good!!! They are always going to be great players. It is the support structure around them that allows them the chance to shine. Having Messi tracking back doing shuttle runs to close a team down does not play to their strengths and loses the opportunity for them to express themselves when a moment arises. Take Ian Botham in 1981 against Australia, he had an unbelievable innings and kept Englad in it, he also had a great bowling spell but without Bob Willis bowling in that game that match is lost. Willis was more than a water carrier, he had a fine carrier in the game but it is the people around the greats that allows them to shine. I have just finished watching "The Last Dance" on Netflix and if you take a look at, Pippen, Rodman, Kerry, Kukoc and the rest of the roster, even with Jordan's insane drive, he could not have achieved without them and their to support.
jayfox26 Posted 8 July 2021 Posted 8 July 2021 What an absolute mess Barcelona are. I think its great that the "elite" are being knocked down a peg or 2. Clear why Barce, Real and Juve were so hell bent on the esl as none of them have a pot to piss in. I feel sorry for the Barce fans though, the way that club has been run over the past 5+ years is nothing short of criminal!
Pliskin Posted 8 July 2021 Posted 8 July 2021 1 minute ago, jayfox26 said: What an absolute mess Barcelona are. I think its great that the "elite" are being knocked down a peg or 2. Clear why Barce, Real and Juve were so hell bent on the esl as none of them have a pot to piss in. I feel sorry for the Barce fans though, the way that club has been run over the past 5+ years is nothing short of criminal! No matter how big of an entity you are, you can’t keep losing money hear on year out…. Eventually it comes back to bite you!
SkidsFox Posted 8 July 2021 Posted 8 July 2021 9 minutes ago, jayfox26 said: What an absolute mess Barcelona are. I think its great that the "elite" are being knocked down a peg or 2. Clear why Barce, Real and Juve were so hell bent on the esl as none of them have a pot to piss in. I feel sorry for the Barce fans though, the way that club has been run over the past 5+ years is nothing short of criminal! Still, it's not as if their fan base has been lecturing us for years, telling us they are "more than a club" and that they found a great way to avoid big transfer fees by investing so well in their superior Masia set-up.... in fact doesn't the club itself describe themselves as "more than a club"? It's not the big-spending or mistakes made that annoy, it's the arrogant hypocritical lecturing that they've indulged in for so many years. 1
Popular Post MarriedaLeicesterGirl Posted 8 July 2021 Popular Post Posted 8 July 2021 28 minutes ago, jayfox26 said: What an absolute mess Barcelona are. I think its great that the "elite" are being knocked down a peg or 2. Clear why Barce, Real and Juve were so hell bent on the esl as none of them have a pot to piss in. I feel sorry for the Barce fans though, the way that club has been run over the past 5+ years is nothing short of criminal! I don't feel sorry for the Barcelona fans, nor the Real Madrid fans. Both teams -- and their fans -- seem to think they are a two-club Harlem Globetrotters, and the rest of the Spanish league are a group of Washington Generals to serve as their whipping boys while they spin plates to entertain their fans, and their fans ate it up. They destroyed their domestic competition with such an attitude (hence the accusations of bribing refs in their domestic games, so they could rest players for the "important" European/Derby matches), and after decades sucking the last of the life force out of Spanish club football, these vampires decided to repeat the process with the ESL. Have no doubt, one of the reasons you saw the likes of Arsenal, Spurs, and the Milan clubs in the ESL is because the Spanish giants needed a few future Mallorca's and Cadiz's in their Super League. A pox on both of them. (I hate all of them, but only the two Spanish giants really wanted to eventually do to the ESL what they did to Spain: The Americans wanted a Soccer NFL, Juve realized it might soon by Ajax and needed to cement its status, and the rest were toadies just wanting to be part of the cool club.) 8 1
FoxesWalk Posted 9 July 2021 Posted 9 July 2021 (edited) https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/coutinho-regresara-barcelona-buenas-noticias-11892998 spanish press say both Milan clubs, and Leicester city have “expressed interest” in signing coutinho EDIT: Google translate - “Like Coutinho, the Brazilian's agents will also travel to Barcelona soon - they are scheduled to do so next week. Club and representatives, whose relationship is more than good, will have a face-to-face meeting to update the market situation and assess what could be the most interesting proposals for both.In the case of Barça, the preference is to obtain a transfer, although it remains to be seen if any club will put a certain amount of money on the table. Today, English Leicester has shown interest in Coutinho, as well as the two clubs in Milan. In the case of the two 'Lombard' teams, it would hardly be a transfer, but rather a loan. And as long as the attacker agreed to lower his annual record. The player's initial illusion was to return to Liverpool, but Jürgen Klopp has closed the doors for him.” Edited 9 July 2021 by FoxesWalk
Pliskin Posted 9 July 2021 Posted 9 July 2021 2 minutes ago, FoxesWalk said: https://www.sport.es/es/noticias/barca/coutinho-regresara-barcelona-buenas-noticias-11892998 spanish press say both Milan clubs, and Leicester city have “expressed interest” in signing coutinho It’s such an Inter/AC Milan signing… he will probably end up at AC.
FoxesWalk Posted 9 July 2021 Posted 9 July 2021 1 minute ago, Pliskin said: It’s such an Inter/AC Milan signing… he will probably end up at AC. The single out the Milan clubs as wanting a loan, paying only part of his salary. Implying that Leicester may be interested in a permanent move...
Jon the Hat Posted 9 July 2021 Posted 9 July 2021 If Brendan wants him and the club decide they can afford it, then I trust both Brendan to get him playing and Susan to know what they can afford. Its as simple as that really. 2
Dahnsouff Posted 9 July 2021 Posted 9 July 2021 3 minutes ago, Jon the Hat said: If Brendan wants him and the club decide they can afford it, then I trust both Brendan to get him playing and Susan to know what they can afford. Its as simple as that really. The only concern is where does this seismic change of direction come from? (Well that and the fact he is broken, no doubting his talent historically) It just does not fit when compared against past activity, it would just stink of someone who doesn't normally make transfer decisons, making this decision.
Finnegan Posted 9 July 2021 Posted 9 July 2021 16 hours ago, jayfox26 said: What an absolute mess Barcelona are. I think its great that the "elite" are being knocked down a peg or 2. Clear why Barce, Real and Juve were so hell bent on the esl as none of them have a pot to piss in. I feel sorry for the Barce fans though, the way that club has been run over the past 5+ years is nothing short of criminal! Barcelona must go through the most ridiculous cycles of identity crises in football. It feels like every generation they lose their way, go back to basics, start relying on La Masia and home grown youth again, become successful, the success goes to their head, they start trying to turn in to Real Madrid and signing galacticos, it goes wrong, they end up in a mess, they have to go back to relying on home grown youth. It's completely mad. 2
Pliskin Posted 9 July 2021 Posted 9 July 2021 1 hour ago, Jon the Hat said: If Brendan wants him and the club decide they can afford it, then I trust both Brendan to get him playing and Susan to know what they can afford. Its as simple as that really. Brendan will 100% want him. Like you say it’s up to the club, but he would have to take a pay cut if it is a permanent move, unless we can work out a loan with Barca.
Long Eaton Fox Posted 9 July 2021 Posted 9 July 2021 This guy has not played this year. Anyone trying to sign him is crazy. 2
Jon the Hat Posted 9 July 2021 Posted 9 July 2021 4 minutes ago, Long Eaton Fox said: This guy has not played this year. Anyone trying to sign him is crazy. Players do come back from injuries you know.
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