If Rodgers Goes...

[yorkie1999]

3 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

The best teams do both......

We do neither.

[sacreblueits442]

10 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

What logic is there to us wanting Hassenhutl other than he's turned around two huge dips in form, yet a section of our fans want Rodgers out without giving him the opportunity to try and recover from this 2nd slump.

...surely this is the third slump!!!

[coolhandfox]

1 minute ago, yorkie1999 said:

We do neither.

Thanks 

[Matt]

4 hours ago, coolhandfox said:

True, but I think winning football matches is the only criteria. 

 

How many would be moaning about performance/style if we had won all 11 games so far and were top of the league? 

 

I’d appreciate the wins, I’d appreciate being top of the league but I’d still be criticising style if it was something to be criticised.

 

*I also accept and appreciate you can’t expect to be on it every game and give the perfect performance, I’m not asking that though.
 

51 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...we would have had to have played well, to have achieved that feat!!!

There are countless posters whom, after we have won games and the person posting, being ridiculed and told to "get a life, as if you can't be happy after a win...", "....you need to get out more...", or ridicule to that effect.

  There are posters on this forum, who are not happy clappy posters, they look at underlying performances, there will still be comments, as there should be.

This is it isn’t it, I seen someone called out the other week in a post match thread being accused of “only popping up when we lose”, I can’t actually remember which game or between the two members now but either way I’m pretty sure they comment in most post match threads.

 

Its like me, I’ll comment in most post match threads win, lose or draw, if we win I’ll appreciate the win, the points and I love and appreciate a shithouse win as much as anyone (shithouse wins can be up there with the most enjoyable may I add) but if we’ve been poor with the same issues occurring every game I’ll comment about it, it’s not gonna paper of any cracks.

 

Edited 15 November 2021 by Matt

[Matt]

29 minutes ago, yorkie1999 said:

We do neither.

We do one, pretty much exclusively. 

 

Occasionally (very occasionally, incredibly rarely infact) we’ll do the other and it seems virtually impossible to switch or change it up within games though.

 

Edited 15 November 2021 by Matt

[Bryn]

46 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

What logic is there to us wanting Hassenhutl other than he's turned around two huge dips in form, yet a section of our fans want Rodgers out without giving him the opportunity to try and recover from this 2nd slump.

To clarify I don’t want Hasenhuttl, just think that’s who the board would want.

[CosbehFox]

19 minutes ago, Matt said:

 

I’d appreciate the wins, I’d appreciate being top of the league but I’d still be criticising style if it was something to be criticised.

 

*I also accept and appreciate you can’t expect to be on it every game and give the perfect performance, I’m not asking that though.
 

This is it isn’t it, I seen someone called out the other week in a post match thread being accused of “only popping up when we lose”, I can’t actually remember which game or between the two members now but either way I’m pretty sure they comment in most post match threads.

 

Its like me, I’ll comment in most post match threads win, lose or draw, if we win I’ll appreciate the win, the points and I love and appreciate a shithouse win as much as anyone (shithouse wins can be up there with the most enjoyable may I add) but if we’ve been poor with the same issues occurring every game I’ll comment about it, it’s not gonna paper of any cracks.

 

Id like to believe that’s true, but a quick check of your posting history says after wins vs Brentford and Moscow, you posted just once in six and once in four days. Post Arsenal, it was multiple posts 

[kiwiturk]

Christophe Galtier,

The guy who ended the PSG domination last year with his brilliant football knowledge, game strategies, attacking formations and player motivation skills.

Let's think outside of the box because that's what requires to compete with the big 6.

[CosbehFox]

1 minute ago, kiwiturk said:

Christophe Galtier,

The guy who ended the PSG domination last year with his brilliant football knowledge, game strategies, attacking formations and player motivation skills.

Let's think outside of the box because that's what requires to compete with the big 6.

Cost a LOT OF LOLLY to get him out of his Nice contract 

[StanSP]

29 minutes ago, Matt said:

’d appreciate the wins, I’d appreciate being top of the league but I’d still be criticising style if it was something to be criticised.

 

*I also accept and appreciate you can’t expect to be on it every game and give the perfect performance, I’m not asking that though.

why do I feel like you do expect it  

[kiwiturk]

1 minute ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Cost a LOT OF LOLLY to get him out of his Nice contract 

I believe, he'll still cost less than what BR's getting atm.

[Ric Flair]

57 minutes ago, coolhandfox said:

To fair O'Neill played a lot of turgid football. 

 

All I'm saying is fans like winning football and will turn a blid eye to style whilst a team is winning. 

I'd be extremely surprised if that style of play yielded the same outcome as back in the 90's and to be honest there'd be plenty that would be unhappy, even with a few cup wins. 

 

They may turn a blind eye but as soon as there's one iota of poor form and the knives are out even quicker, my point is that horrible football and being largely successful are seldom a combination in modern football so it's irrelevant.

 

53 minutes ago, sacreblueits442 said:

...surely this is the third slump!!!

It's a continuation of the 2nd slump is it not, given we haven't picked up yet?

[Matt]

6 minutes ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Id like to believe that’s true, but a quick check of your posting history says after wins vs Brentford and Moscow, you posted just once in six and once in four days. Post Arsenal, it was multiple posts 

 

Mainly because they were away (and I was working during the Moscow game), Can't comment too much on what I didn't see.

 

Think I was still critical claiming "I don't think we played particularly well" and "It killed me to see go back to playing out from the back" whilst also praising Brentford for being a "Refreshing addition to the league" alluding to them not playing in this one size fits all style.

 

As for the Spartak game I very complementary in that post, I even credited Rodgers as I do, when it due.

 

23 minutes ago, StanSP said:

why do I feel like you do expect it  

 

Because you quite clearly misinterpret my comments.

 

You don't seem to get it, at all, I quoted @StriderHiryu the other day, he gets it, whilst he will have a discussion and has somewhat opposite views he get's what i'm bemoaning, i'm not criticising performances for bad performances, i'm criticising them for a style, a set up that is negative, boring.

 

Besides when I try and say what you wanna hear I get accused of being sarcastic, I can't win.

[Corky]

22 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

I'd be extremely surprised if that style of play yielded the same outcome as back in the 90's and to be honest there'd be plenty that would be unhappy, even with a few cup wins. 

 

They may turn a blind eye but as soon as there's one iota of poor form and the knives are out even quicker, my point is that horrible football and being largely successful are seldom a combination in modern football so it's irrelevant.

 

It's a continuation of the 2nd slump is it not, given we haven't picked up yet?

We don't even play horrible football. Technically it is fine, it's the style you should want to play, we don't execute it well enough. It's not hit and hope, lump it stuff, I think we try to be too precise plus are worried about losing the ball. When we're confident we knock it around nicely.

 

I hope the next man doesn't come in and rip it up, just tweak it.

[StanSP]

19 minutes ago, Matt said:

Because you quite clearly misinterpret my comments.

 

You don't seem to get it, at all, I quoted @StriderHiryu the other day, he gets it, whilst he will have a discussion and has somewhat opposite views he get's what i'm bemoaning, i'm not criticising performances for bad performances, i'm criticising them for a style, a set up that is negative, boring.

 

Besides when I try and say what you wanna hear I get accused of being sarcastic, I can't win.

Funnily enough, I don't misinterpret them. I can totally appreciate the style of play is undesirable at times. You just go on and on as if every single minute of every single game has that undesirable style when that's not really the case. 

 

I get what you're bemoaning. The style has changed to a more cautious one. There are various reasons for it. 

 

Let's admit that you have been quite sarcastic at times though come on  

[justfoxes]

2 hours ago, Corky said:

The circus around Lampard would be insufferable.

He’d get some great advice from Uncle Arry !

[Ric Flair]

22 minutes ago, Corky said:

We don't even play horrible football. Technically it is fine, it's the style you should want to play, we don't execute it well enough. It's not hit and hope, lump it stuff, I think we try to be too precise plus are worried about losing the ball. When we're confident we knock it around nicely.

 

I hope the next man doesn't come in and rip it up, just tweak it.

I agree to a certain extent but I've little sympathy when we play it badly as it tends to all stem from us opting against a collective forward press, that allows us to set a rhythm to play on the front foot. We instead try to slow the game down by retaining possession and try to pass our way in to some momentum whilst at the same time tempt the opposition in to losing shape out of frustration, this seldom works as well as when we take the initiative in games.

 

We soon change tact when going a goal behind, miraculous how we can suddenly switch it on when we do, that's what irks me the most. I'd almost begrudgingly accept it if we couldn't then evoke an improvement in our game and got routinely beaten but we are the cause of a lot of this shit. 8d love to know why, there's a malaise or a blockage in our creative freedom, it's like we've been overcoached in to indecision and lethargy.

[Unabomber]

1 hour ago, Cardiff_Fox said:

Cost a LOT OF LOLLY to get him out of his Nice contract 

We could just offer him an even nicer contract surely. 

[iancognito]

Not totally sure why Lampard the idea of Lampard coming here gets so much stick, he was doing okay at Chelsea at a time when they had a transfer ban, brought through the likes of Mount, Gilmour and James and the football was pretty easy on the eye. Before that he took a Derby side currently battling relegation and featuring cloggers like Richard Keogh to a play off final. Compared to the likes of Hassenhutl, I think he's a half-decent shout, especially as he wouldn't have to change too much in terms of playing style and general type of player we look to bring in.

[kingkisnorbo]

2 minutes ago, iancognito said:

Not totally sure why Lampard the idea of Lampard coming here gets so much stick, he was doing okay at Chelsea at a time when they had a transfer ban, brought through the likes of Mount, Gilmour and James and the football was pretty easy on the eye. Before that he took a Derby side currently battling relegation and featuring cloggers like Richard Keogh to a play off final. Compared to the likes of Hassenhutl, I think he's a half-decent shout, especially as he wouldn't have to change too much in terms of playing style and general type of player we look to bring in.

I’ve been thinking something similar. For some reason there is a general disdain for Lampard and nobody ever seems to give an answer to why that goes beyond any arbitrary reason. He steered Chelsea through a transfer ban and got them into the top four, got derby to a play off final, which we know from experience isn’t easy. He has successfully developed young players too. It seems very fashionable to dislike him, and that’s generally too, not just on here. 

[StanSP]

A lot of Chelsea fans didn't like his management. Defensively frail, disorganised and struggled to manage games when in winning positions. Also made subs too late and reacted to late to in-game situations...

[iancognito]

1 minute ago, kingkisnorbo said:

I’ve been thinking something similar. For some reason there is a general disdain for Lampard and nobody ever seems to give an answer to why that goes beyond any arbitrary reason. He steered Chelsea through a transfer ban and got them into the top four, got derby to a play off final, which we know from experience isn’t easy. He has successfully developed young players too. It seems very fashionable to dislike him, and that’s generally too, not just on here. 

For a guy that won everything in his career he just doesn't get the appreciation (apart from at Stamford Bridge where a lot of fans were gutted he wasn't given longer in the big chair). It's not much kop to say he was in relegation form when he left because that's true of 90% of managers, a bad run gets you sacked in modern football.

[HighPeakFox]

I'd like to contribute some linguistic accuracy/pedantry to this debate - 'criterion' is a singular, 'criteria' is a plural.

 

You're welcome.

[kingkisnorbo]

2 minutes ago, iancognito said:

For a guy that won everything in his career he just doesn't get the appreciation (apart from at Stamford Bridge where a lot of fans were gutted he wasn't given longer in the big chair). It's not much kop to say he was in relegation form when he left because that's true of 90% of managers, a bad run gets you sacked in modern football.

Not forgetting that he played a pretty significant part and contribution to Chelsea’s second champions league title last year.

[Corky]

15 minutes ago, iancognito said:

Not totally sure why Lampard the idea of Lampard coming here gets so much stick, he was doing okay at Chelsea at a time when they had a transfer ban, brought through the likes of Mount, Gilmour and James and the football was pretty easy on the eye. Before that he took a Derby side currently battling relegation and featuring cloggers like Richard Keogh to a play off final. Compared to the likes of Hassenhutl, I think he's a half-decent shout, especially as he wouldn't have to change too much in terms of playing style and general type of player we look to bring in.

Derby finished 6th the year before. He managed fewer points too.

 

When the transfer ban lifted (still had Pulisic arrive plus Kovacic was made permanent) he brought in hundreds of millions of pounds worth of players and had them in mid-table, bashed by us, Man City and Arsenal who were near the bottom three at the time.

 

He's just not an upgrade on Rodgers.