If Rodgers Goes...

[HoustonFox]

9 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I usually deal in left footed right wingers but I'll be doing some one off research on dynamic head coaches.

 

Criteria is:

 

• Plays 4 at the back and hates wing backs systems.

• Press like fcuk but can play the low block as a last resort

• Tactically flexible and astute

• Knows the importance of set pieces both defensively and attacking

• Likes to develop young players and especially from the academy

• Loves wingers

• Will consider a 6ft 3+ strong striker to have as plan B

• Doesn't talk dog shit

• hasn't yet been tagged a bottler 

• has at least a modicum of success in Europe

 

Anything else?

Realise you are being a little tongue in cheek with some of these but not sure if you heard the Football Tactics pod from the Athletic with the MK Dons (who after Barca, Man City and PSG, had the highest average possession per game in Europe) DoF. Super awesome but he gets into their criteria for a new head coach. Formation wasn’t one of them but style of play and philosophy was. 
 

He boiled down to four simple things they wanted:

1. Track record of winning
2. Football philosophy and way of playing 

3. Working with young talent 

4. Use of data and analysis 

 

We need to do the same I think and in my experience, not over complicating it is better.  

 

https://podcasts.apple.com/us/podcast/the-mk-messi-matching-psgs-possession-an-interview/id1488523269?i=1000541597877

 

Question is, what are our 4 things? I’d argue it’s:

 

1. Track record of winning and improving year on year (i.e., challenging)

2. working in a club with the same or similar culture (wider club but also team mentality)
3. Developing and improving talent

4. Style of play

 

I put style last because it’s important (top 4) but not above the others. We need a winner who can kick us on, they have to fit - too big a name / ego is no good, we have to build talent and we’ll always be a “selling club” and then style. I’d love it if we had a Leicester philosophy but we aren’t there yet. I’d argue these criteria got us BR and he’s delivered but if he leaves, 1-3 cannot drop. 4 will come. 

[lifted*fox]

lampard as a rodgers replacement 

 

[whoareyaaa]

4 minutes ago, lifted*fox said:

lampard as a rodgers replacement 

 

 

[rico]

23 minutes ago, StanSP said:

A lot of Chelsea fans didn't like his management. Defensively frail, disorganised and struggled to manage games when in winning positions. Also made subs too late and reacted to late to in-game situations...

Sounds familiar 

[filbertway]

You just have to look at the difference between Chelsea pre tuchel and post tuchel to see how far off he is from being a top manager 

 

Lampard wouldn't even figure in the thinking and rightly so

[Bayfox]

12 minutes ago, rico said:

Sounds familiar 

What is micky Adams upto nowdays?

[The Year Of The Fox]

53 minutes ago, StanSP said:

A lot of Chelsea fans didn't like his management. Defensively frail, disorganised and struggled to manage games when in winning positions. Also made subs too late and reacted to late to in-game situations...

Sounds like Rodgers 😂😂

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, justfoxes said:

He’d get some great advice from Uncle Arry !

...even more reason to say no...!!!

[shailen]

I wouldn't mind someone up and coming like Scott Parker. Think he's underrated and will definitely have the passion for the role, and has shown some good tactical awareness. 

[sacreblueits442]

1 hour ago, kingkisnorbo said:

I’ve been thinking something similar. For some reason there is a general disdain for Lampard and nobody ever seems to give an answer to why that goes beyond any arbitrary reason. He steered Chelsea through a transfer ban and got them into the top four, got derby to a play off final, which we know from experience isn’t easy. He has successfully developed young players too. It seems very fashionable to dislike him, and that’s generally too, not just on here. 

....some people bring out that kind of reaction from people....Rodgers somewhat similar vibes!!!

[iancognito]

31 minutes ago, filbertway said:

You just have to look at the difference between Chelsea pre tuchel and post tuchel to see how far off he is from being a top manager 

 

Lampard wouldn't even figure in the thinking and rightly so

With a vastly different style. They're now closer to that Mourinho V.1 style of nick a goal or two early doors then shut up shop for 60 mins. It's a winning style but in a lot of ways anti-football. I doubt very many managers - Rodgers included - would have turned Chelsea's fortunes around so quick, especially with Werner's woeful finishing.  Lampard isn't a "top top" manager but I'd argue we'll strugle to attract that bracket anyway as they'd all hold out for a top 4 side or be coveting the top tier UCL jobs. What he is, is a recently retired ex-player with a lot of kudos around the game who has proven that he works well with young players.

 

He doesn't figure in a lot of fan's thinking but given our fans overall record in choosing managers over the years we're probably not the best people to be passing judgement. Little had so much spit aimed at him they had to install a poly tunnel, O'Neill would have been sacked after two months, Adams worked minor miracles yet still took flak, Pearson took us to two titles and two play offs and numerous broken records yet is often mentioned by some as if he destroyed the soul of the club. Meanwhile, managers we wanted include Taylor, Sven and Holloway.

I'd think we could probably cut some slack to a guy who won every honour in the domestic game.

[ARM1968]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

A lot of Chelsea fans didn't like his management. Defensively frail, disorganised and struggled to manage games when in winning positions. Also made subs too late and reacted to late to in-game situations...

We’d never know Rodgers had left then. 

[Sly]

Lampard did really well with both Derby and Chelsea, until the wheels fell off and Tuchel rebuilt it. 
 

The difference is the experience. Tuchel got to ply his trade at Mainz with under a 40% win record but cut his teeth before he went onto Dortmund, PSG and then Chelsea. 
 

I don’t think the Leicester job is a wise move for Lampard though and we’re past opting for a relative untried head coach. I can see him ending up at Rangers. 
 

 

[volpeazzurro]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

A lot of Chelsea fans didn't like his management. Defensively frail, disorganised and struggled to manage games when in winning positions. Also made subs too late and reacted to late to in-game situations...

Reminds me of someone  ... it'll come back to me. 

[CosbehFox]

Yawn yawn. Zero objectivity again. 
 

Slight difference between Lampard and Rodgers; one of them won a trophy and didn’t need bucketloads of cash to ‘improve’ his team 

[Mike Oxlong]

Best thing Lampard’s done as a manager is not getting Derby promoted 

[Blanchflower78]

1 hour ago, StanSP said:

A lot of Chelsea fans didn't like his management. Defensively frail, disorganised and struggled to manage games when in winning positions. Also made subs too late and reacted to late to in-game situations...

So Rodgers for the best part of 2021...

[TheFiveTime]

Lampard has nothing on rodgers. Used his connections with Chelsea to get in players to drag his team (at the very death) to a playoff position. At Chelsea anyone either doesnt know or is ignoring the fact that chelsea played some terrible football. Often boring, lifeless and disconnected. Even after spending hundreds of millions in the second season. Is he a bad manager? probably not. But come on guys, he just is not the answer

[Ric Flair]

Still keep coming back to Rudi Garcia as the only one who ticks all the boxes.

 

I quite like Stuttgart's manager who was assistant to Nagelsmann at Hoffenheim, but it that could be a huge punt. His style of play though is exactly what we'd welcome and he heavily utilises academy players and recruiting young players. 

 

Garcia does all of that though and has done well with decent teams that aren't the best in their leagues but can challenge. He's our man if Rodgers goes. I've ruled out the Sporting manager as he likes playing 3 at the back which is horrid here and the other 2 I considered were Conceicao at Porto who I like but he's nuts and doesn't really have much time for younger players, prefers experience.

 

Gattuso, Villas-Boas and Lampard are all either high profile and largely unproven or high maintenance and come with baggage. 

[Guest454545]

26 minutes ago, Ric Flair said:

Still keep coming back to Rudi Garcia as the only one who ticks all the boxes.

 

I quite like Stuttgart's manager who was assistant to Nagelsmann at Hoffenheim, but it that could be a huge punt. His style of play though is exactly what we'd welcome and he heavily utilises academy players and recruiting young players. 

 

Garcia does all of that though and has done well with decent teams that aren't the best in their leagues but can challenge. He's our man if Rodgers goes. I've ruled out the Sporting manager as he likes playing 3 at the back which is horrid here and the other 2 I considered were Conceicao at Porto who I like but he's nuts and doesn't really have much time for younger players, prefers experience.

 

Gattuso, Villas-Boas and Lampard are all either high profile and largely unproven or high maintenance and come with baggage. 

I mean, Villas-Boas does have a European trophy to his name and league titles in two different countries, so I'm not sure how unproven he is?

[iancognito]

24 minutes ago, TheFiveTime said:

Lampard has nothing on rodgers. Used his connections with Chelsea to get in players to drag his team (at the very death) to a playoff position. At Chelsea anyone either doesnt know or is ignoring the fact that chelsea played some terrible football. Often boring, lifeless and disconnected. Even after spending hundreds of millions in the second season. Is he a bad manager? probably not. But come on guys, he just is not the answer

Not saying he's the answer but he's dismissed as if he's Steve Bruce Or Pardew.

 

It's part of the reason I hope Rodgers doesn't go somewhere else because there's not a massive list of a) realistic and b) upgrade managers out there right now and it only takes one terrible appointment to ruin a lot of good work

[Ric Flair]

17 minutes ago, Guest454545 said:

I mean, Villas-Boas does have a European trophy to his name and league titles in two different countries, so I'm not sure how unproven he is?

I guess you missed the " or high maintenance and comes with baggage " bit

[Guest454545]

2 hours ago, Ric Flair said:

I guess you missed the " or high maintenance and comes with baggage " bit

I'm not sure either of those applies to Villas Boas? In fact, he always came across as extremely low maintenance, which is why he seems happy to jack managing in now and then to do other things, like motor racing. 

[NasPb]

5 hours ago, Guest454545 said:

I'm not sure either of those applies to Villas Boas? In fact, he always came across as extremely low maintenance, which is why he seems happy to jack managing in now and then to do other things, like motor racing. 

Nah he got mad at Marseille for signing one player and left. He's a good manager just high maintenance 

[Guest454545]

2 hours ago, NasPb said:

Nah he got mad at Marseille for signing one player and left. He's a good manager just high maintenance 

That's one incident. That doesn't make him "high maintenance". Can you point to numerous others?